
The political action committee behind the Tea Party Express (TPE) -- which already has been slammed as inauthentic and corporate-controlled by rival factions in the Tea Party movement -- directed almost two thirds of its spending during a recent reporting period back to the Republican consulting firm that created the PAC in the first place.
Our Country Deserves Better (OCDB) spent around $1.33 million from July through November, according to FEC filings examined by TPMmuckraker. Of that sum, a total of $857,122 went to Sacramento-based GOP political consulting firm Russo, Marsh, and Associates, or people associated with it.
OCDB, which built the Tea Party Express, is essentially a Russo, Marsh creation, as we've detailed. The PAC's site was registered in July 2008 by Sal Russo, the firm's founder. That site also lists Russo as the PAC's "chief strategist." Tea Party Express fundraising emails, sent by OCDB and obtained by TPMmuckraker, come from another Russo, Marsh employee, Joe Wierzbicki.
Just for good measure, legendary GOP bamboozler Howard Kaloogian is also on OCDB's board, and has close ties to Russo, Marsh.
From July through November 2009, the firm received $832,403 from OCDB, according to the FEC records. An additional $8,500 went to Russo himself. And Wierzbicki took in $16,219.
The services for which Russo, Marsh was paid appear to be legitimate campaign needs. For instance, it took in several hundred thousand for what OCDB listed in the FEC filings as "PAC Email Newsletter Costs - Generic Fun." That would appear to refer to the numerous fund-raising and activism emails sent to volunteers to promote and build the Tea Party Express -- a nationwide bus tour to build opposition to the Obama agenda -- many of them by Wierzbicki.
But one expert on political action committees told TPMmuckraker it was unusual for a PAC to direct so much spending back to the entity that created it. And the spending details raised hackles among members of the Tea Party Patriots, a rival faction of conservative activists who have denounced TPE as a creature of Republican political professionals that lacks grassroots authenticity. In an email to a Patriots group that was obtained by TPMmuckaker, one TPPer who had examined the filings asked, "What would the true grassroots people think if they knew their money is being spent in this manner?"
A message left in the general mailbox for Russo, Marsh was not immediately returned.
ProgressiveInNewYork
December 28, 2009 6:41 PM
What a surprise!
But of course our "liberal media" will never report this. Is there any chance that this is illegal? Of course it doesn't pass the smell test but the right wingers gave up on that long ago.
Why don't we have any investigative journalist looking into this? All the subterfuge could lead to a Pulitzer for the right reporter. Hell, it would make a good movie. Of course no one would believe it.
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EH
December 28, 2009 7:06 PM in reply to ProgressiveInNewYork
I doubt it's illegal, it just means the donors--unwittingly or not--poured $200K/mo into that firm. I wouldn't mind getting several hundred thousand dollars for being a spammer, though.
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SqueakyRat
December 29, 2009 1:04 AM in reply to ProgressiveInNewYork
Why don't we have any investigative journalist looking into this?
What do you think TPM is doing?
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ProgressiveInNewYork
December 29, 2009 1:27 PM in reply to SqueakyRat
mea culpa
While I applaud TPM and other sites, too many times the only ones who read it are already believers. Mainstream media outlets continue to distort and cover up for those in power.
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LonewackoDotCom3
December 29, 2009 4:12 PM in reply to ProgressiveInNewYork
If the MSM won't report this, it's because a) there's no real shenanigans alleged (at least so far) and this is just yet another example of the "partiers" being useful idiots, b) it's a minor story, and c) the tea parties actually help BHO and the Dems. The "partiers" are vulnerable as described at the last link, yet for some reason the MSM refuses to go after them. The reason for that isn't because they want to help the "partiers", it's because the "partiers" are helping the MSM with their goal of supporting BHO.
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Battleborn
May 26, 2010 10:09 PM in reply to ProgressiveInNewYork
Sal and Howard's latest pet is Sharron Angle, who looks like the GOP winner in the Nevada US Senate race.
Sharron Angle campaign working to quiet Scientology question -
Website removes names of the faith’s famous followers
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/may/26/angle-campaign-working-quiet-scientology-question/
Angle must have been the only candidate desperate enough to cut the deal with these two grifters.
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Battleborn
May 26, 2010 10:10 PM in reply to ProgressiveInNewYork
Sal and Howard's latest pet is Sharron Angle, who looks like the GOP winner in the Nevada US Senate race.
Sharron Angle campaign working to quiet Scientology question -
Website removes names of the faith’s famous followers
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/may/26/angle-campaign-working-quiet-scientology-question/
Angle must have been the only candidate desperate enough to cut the deal with these two grifters.
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Battleborn
May 26, 2010 10:12 PM in reply to ProgressiveInNewYork
Sal and Howard's latest pet is Sharron Angle, who looks like the GOP winner in the Nevada US Senate race.
Sharron Angle campaign working to quiet Scientology question -
Website removes names of the faith’s famous followers
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/may/26/angle-campaign-working-quiet-scientology-question/
Angle must have been the only candidate desperate enough to cut the deal with these two grifters.
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Battleborn
May 26, 2010 10:14 PM in reply to ProgressiveInNewYork
Sal and Howard's latest pet is Sharron Angle, who looks like the GOP winner in the Nevada US Senate race.
Sharron Angle campaign working to quiet Scientology question -
Website removes names of the faith’s famous followers
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/may/26/angle-campaign-working-quiet-scientology-question/
Angle must have been the only candidate desperate enough to cut the deal with these two grifters.
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bibimimi
December 28, 2009 7:17 PM
The masterminds, lobbyists, and 'consultants' line up the dolts with checkbooks, dazzle 'em with wild rhetoric, skim $ off the top, pay off a politician and pocket the balance.
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The Watcher
December 28, 2009 7:17 PM
Republican's seem to enjoy being ripped off; when its 'one of their own' and 'not going to welfare bums'. So I doubt there will be much fuss. Still it's entertaining to watch this whole cycle of 'who's the best patriot' be carried out by the teabaggers.
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ejg3
December 28, 2009 7:29 PM
It looks like the tea bags had a lot of strings attached. Astro turfpuppetry strikes again
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NH
January 2, 2010 1:01 PM in reply to ejg3
And you don't seem to mind the Tides, Center for American Progress, MoveOn, 350.org, MediaMatters, ACORN, SEIU 'astroturfery' of the left...
HYPOCRITE!
This is ONE group who wanted to run a bus around the country. That costs money and they used this firm to raise it. BIG DEAL. It's their right.
Most of the teaparty groups have nothing to do with them. Do you think they have helped organize the hundreds of rallies and protests that our hard work produced here in NH for example? There was not ONE correspondence from these people.
I should know....
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Silence
December 28, 2009 7:38 PM
You folks still don't get it, do you? The rules being what they are, it is highly unlikely that a third party could win a major election. As a result, the revolution will occur "within" the GOP.
The TEA party is cognizant of the relationship and will not be taken for a ride by the GOP.
No news here.
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hwmnbn
December 28, 2009 7:56 PM in reply to Silence
But the GOP is a minority party and shrinking demographically. How is dividing itself into even smaller units a recipe for regaining the majority?
If there is a repub electoral choice between wingnuts (GOP) and uber-wingnuts (tea baggers) my money is still on the old boy monied establishment.
IMO, from this article, I'd say the tea baggers have been taken for a ride by the old political pros.
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Silence
December 28, 2009 8:11 PM in reply to hwmnbn
You'd be wrong.
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Matt Jones
December 28, 2009 8:25 PM in reply to Silence
So flushing $850k of erstwhile "patriots" donations down a political consulting firm is "winning"?
Ah yes, the special wingnut definition of "winning". See also "suspending Constitutional rights for freedom", "preemptive war for peace" and "deficit spending to reduce the deficit".
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EH
December 28, 2009 8:27 PM in reply to Matt Jones
the tea baggers are playing six-dimensional chess, you see.
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Johann
December 29, 2009 6:54 AM in reply to EH
With one dimensional minds.
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JEP07
December 29, 2009 12:52 PM in reply to Johann
...just wait until they see what starts happening in the local party organizations, the 'baggers on the far right will know soon enough they are powerless within their own party, unless they form their own new party.
Otherwise, they will learn that in terms of politics, easy money outbuys vitriolic volume every time, and that money is in the hands of the centrists they call rinos.
The 'baggers have shown they can cry and complain, but they have by no means proven they can contribute $omething this $eedy $ystem can use.
They will be cast aside for corporate interests, like every other group of lemmings used up by the Corporate Republicans (I call them the no-bid book-cookers.)
The 'baggers just can't afford to buy our government, or the Republican Party away from the corporations and The Chamber.
They are about to learn that passion just doesn't trump money in the game of politics.
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NH
January 2, 2010 1:12 PM in reply to Matt Jones
In a free country, people are free to flush their money any place they wish.
You don't seem to mind flushing yours to the foreign bankers who control your president.
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EH
December 28, 2009 8:26 PM in reply to Silence
what's there to get, your magical but secret understanding of what's going on with the tea baggers? do tell.
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JEP07
December 29, 2009 1:12 PM in reply to EH
I've seen this happen in other venues.
...every local yokel who's organized anything with the word "tea" or "party" in it for a short time (15 minutes?) considers themselves the latest guru for their whole movement.
On their way to and from that heady delusion, they take on a comical air of mystic authority, their puffed-up self-importance magnifying their petty influence.
Sounds like we've hooked into one of them here.
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Signalman
December 28, 2009 8:54 PM in reply to Silence
No, he'd be right. Y'all aren't quick enough on the uptake to figure out that you're being played.
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hwmnbn
December 29, 2009 8:27 AM in reply to Silence
And your evidence? Or do you simply argue by proclamation?
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lousgirl84
December 29, 2009 8:55 AM in reply to Silence
How does it feel with your head stuck in the sand?
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JEP07
December 29, 2009 1:00 PM in reply to lousgirl84
That was quite generous...
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NH
December 28, 2009 8:23 PM in reply to Silence
Most authentic groups are not aligned with the GOP or any other party and would never give either of them any money. This is why both these groups that call themselves tea parties are not our leaders as much as they would like to be... they are skimmers who found a way to make money off the movement.
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Matt Jones
December 28, 2009 8:34 PM in reply to NH
FFS, can you knock off the "we're independent" nonsense? When you have a "rally" (oh wait, "press conference"; no permits FTL) on the Capitol steps and only the rightest of the right-wing show up: you're Republicans. Your "groups" may have decided that half the Republican party isn't crazy enough to count as "real Republicans", but that doesn't change reality.
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NH
December 29, 2009 6:33 AM in reply to Matt Jones
When we have a rally, we invited everyone... and everyone comes. You don't have to sign in with your party affiliation to qualify. There is no litmus test.
Many people have not ever joined a party. Most are independents and Democrats who have awakened to find out just what 'progressive' really means and just how destructive its purpose.
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expat46
December 29, 2009 10:20 AM in reply to NH
So your saying progress equals destruction?
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NH
January 2, 2010 12:52 PM in reply to expat46
Communists always use 'doublespeak' to fool the masses. Progressive = Communism.
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Forrest
December 29, 2009 10:33 AM in reply to NH
I'm still waiting for this massive, wanton destruction to be visited upon us by 'the progressives'.
For nearly a year now I've been hearing all about how the country is being destroyed by the liberals, and how we're all going to hell.
Everything I see tells me that in general, life isn't any worse for most people than it was last year at this time, and in some cases it's better.
I'm sure there are lots of individual people still suffering due to the economy, and a good percentage of the population is worse off - not better. But I don't see how liberal policies are to blame for that, unless it has become a liberal policy to let financial institutions run roughshod over every rule and regulation conceived over the last 80 years.
So what exactly caused all of these independents and democrats to 'wake up'? What did I miss? If you're unemployed right now, odds are very high that the current administration had very little to do with that. In fact, if they had their way, you'd be more likely to have a job, as we'd have had a larger stimulus package.
I *want* the Tea Party movement to be legitimate - to have a real, honest, moderately sane third party to keep the other two a bit closer to honest. From where I'm standing, though, it doesn't make much sense. How do you build a sustainable party on fear and hate? You can see what it's done to the Republican party, and it's not pretty.
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worthy9
December 29, 2009 11:22 AM in reply to NH
Nobody is saying you have to pledge allegiance to an ideology to attend a rally; that's true of any public demonstration. I would agree that they're not necessarily "Republicans" (though I think the above commenter was using the term to mean "Conservative") but what they stand for is fundamentally Conservative/Libertarian and there's no denying that.
I've read the argument that these people "have awakened to find out just what 'progressive' really means and just how destructive its purpose" several times now and it's curious. I say this because we've just come off of 8 years of laissez-faire economic policy and deregulation (fundamentally Conservative/Libertarian policies) which allowed our financial industry to play recklessly with our collective finances and thereby cleared the path for our current situation. Granted, much of the blame surely rests with people who signed mortgages which they could not afford and were acting just as recklessly but if our "professional" money managers hadn't been able to fall into the huge moral hazard of leveraging their investments 20:1, 30:1 with other peoples' money we would be in far better shape and TARP would never have been a necessity.
So we've seen what Conservative/Libertarian economic policies can lead to because they've played out. What, exactly, is the comparable "destructive" policy that Liberals have enacted? TARP is being repaid slowly so one can't claim that we're really all the worse off for it if we're getting the money back. With the exception of partisan analysts for National Review, the vast majority of economists (you know, those guys who have studied the subject for decades) agree that the Stimulus cushioned our collapse or at least didn't hurt. Beyond that, none of the other major policies have gone into effect yet (cap and trade, health care reform) so the argument that they're destructive is premature at best.
So, returning to the point that Tea Party types have just now realized what Liberals stand for, what have they really seen outside of some hyperbolic and one-sided arguments? In one year, what has served as the catalyst for this so-called awakening? Because if it's merely the shrill prophesy of an opposition movement comprised of self-described anti-intellectuals that has changed their minds, I've got a bridge to sell them that costs whatever remains after the last bridge they bought.
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kenga
December 30, 2009 10:04 AM in reply to worthy9
In one year, what has served as the catalyst for this so-called awakening?
"The new sheriff is a ..."
SATSQ
I would frankly prefer to believe that there is genuinely principled opposition to Health Care(Insurance) Reform and the plans of the center-right Democratic pols now in charge in the White House and Congress.
But I haven't seen much in the way of reasoning - even in the emails and youtube clips that are sent to me to explain how tea partiers and other folks on the right have come to be so adamantly opposed. To reason, you have to be working with reality, using genuine factual information as your starting point. And there hasn't been much of that - a glimmer here and there, but nothing that justifies the hue and cry.
So, I'm left with a limited range of explanations, and idiot racism is running strong at the moment - as it has since mid-2008.
Zombie Reagan worship, based on what I've seen and heard in the news and internet - and the emails I mentioned previously, also figures prominently. It apparently has an even longer half-life than racism! (That's my impression - I recall it started before the poor guy was even dead?) Pay attention to the mythology involved, if you run across any mention to Reagan or his ideological fellow travelers. The narrative is frequently at odds with things I actually remember and usually elides any concepts like "unintended consequences", "counter-productive", and "blowback".
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NH
January 2, 2010 12:54 PM in reply to worthy9
No one in the teaparty movement thinks the last 8 years were conservative or constutitional in any way shape or form, but if you are partisan that's your narrow view and you can't think beyond it.
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worthy9
January 5, 2010 1:30 PM in reply to NH
See, that's part of the problem here. If we keep shifting our definitions we can make it so that nothing said or done is ever what we meant in the first place. There's been a lot of pixels burned over what the Tea Party isn't, so maybe you can explain what the Tea Party is. Then maybe we can have a constructive discussion without rhetorical retreats to convenient definitions.
Also, if the Tea Party people don't think Bush's administration was acting in a conservative or constitutional fashion, why have they suddenly sprung up now? It would seem to me that if they believed the executive and legislative branches were abusing their power they would be in the streets, demonstrating and making a big deal of it alongside the liberals way back in 2003. But they didn't. Not one damn word. Are you seriously saying it took 8 years (or longer) to finally act on such an egregious perceived threat?
The far simpler and more logical explanation is that the people who make up the Tea Party groups are upset over the current executive and legislative policies and not the ones of the past, at least not nearly as much. It doesn't make sense any other way, considering the timing and rhetoric. The idea that Republicans aren't really conservative is a ruse, a definitional deception. They are conservative, they're just significantly more moderate than you. They don't believe that the executive branch can enforce the law by sheer will alone. The vast majority of them don't believe that the census, in its current form, violates the Constitution. They do believe in laissez-faire economic and socially regressive policies. It's a matter of degrees.
So, to bring this full circle, one can correctly say that if the Tea Party has its extreme conservative agenda brought to bear on this nation it will be very different than the Republican method of governing. But the difference will be a matter of degrees and will be far more destructive as a necessary consequence. When you take a demonstrably bad idea and push it even further, the consequences are dire.
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Peter Principle
December 28, 2009 11:43 PM in reply to Silence
The TEA party is cognizant of the relationship and will not be taken for a ride by the GOP.
There are at least 870,489 little pictures of George Washington that say they already have.
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Silence
December 29, 2009 8:20 AM in reply to Peter Principle
None of them are mine.
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JEP07
December 29, 2009 1:40 PM in reply to Silence
We already know you're special...
and by golly, people like you!
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bigworld
December 28, 2009 7:49 PM
Sometimes I wonder if Kaloogian is really working for our team.
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NH
December 28, 2009 8:20 PM
That's interesting. Our coalition of groups in NH (as stated on their website) takes/gives no money, and takes no direction from nor reports back to any of these so-called tea party groups, ever.
They somehow have capitalized on the movement after seeing it in the grassroots then getting out in front of it. But most state groups have no affiliation or association to these folks and don't want it.
They can call themselves anything they want... but they are not the grassroots movement that is going strong and gaining supporters daily.
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hoppycalif2
December 28, 2009 9:06 PM in reply to NH
Have fun! It is always fun to be on the edge of real politics, pretending to be "out front", leading the masses, just about ready to build barricades in the streets. All young folks should have that experience before they reach maturity.
We Democrats welcome your crusade to split the Repub party into small enclaves, each ready to go to war with each other. Where do I donate to help this keep growing?
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NH
December 29, 2009 6:31 AM in reply to hoppycalif2
We're not splitting -- that's Obama's job. We're uniting... and it's not partisan.
Just because some group formd a PAC and raised money using the tea party name doesn't mean they are leading the movement.
There is no leader for your Alinsky-ites to attack, which is what irks you the most I'm sure.
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hoppycalif2
December 29, 2009 8:08 PM in reply to NH
Excellent! And who do I donate to to help you get this moving? I really do want to see the Tea Party build itself up, and why not? It will dilute the Repub effort just enough to ensure that we have another 12 years of Democrats, AKA adults, in charge.
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NH
January 2, 2010 1:05 PM in reply to hoppycalif2
By asking where to donate, you just keep proving me correct. There is no head, no money collection. The movement is people and they are doing things and that is what irks you Alinsky-ites the most... the thought that your social utopianism might be thwarted for a change is appalling to you.
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hoppycalif2
January 3, 2010 12:04 PM in reply to NH
Thank you. Now I understand. No head - no brains.
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expat46
December 29, 2009 10:34 AM in reply to NH
Our coalition of groups in NH (as stated on their website) takes/gives no money, and takes no direction from nor reports back to any of these so-called tea party groups, ever.
Do you have a link?
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inniss326
December 28, 2009 8:32 PM
"That would appear to refer to the numerous fund-raising and activism emails sent to activists to promote and build the Tea Party Express..."
I thought Dick Armey's group was doing this for the teabaggers.
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NH
December 29, 2009 6:36 AM in reply to inniss326
I have never been solicited for money, nor have ever received an email from this 'Dick Armey' or any other DC or national groups.
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fkaZk0sm0
December 29, 2009 10:53 PM in reply to NH
nor have i.
what's that prove exactly?
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NH
January 2, 2010 1:18 PM in reply to fkaZk0sm0
It proves that our NH group is not connected to anyone in a lobbying or PR firm.
These folks who wanted to hire a bus used a PR firm to create the website, logo, bus art, etc... and it cost money so they raised it... it's called awareness.
We don't need them here in NH... as with the other states we connect directly with, we do all our own websites, PR, and emailing.
I have never been contacted by these folks...we had our own tax day rally on 4/15/09 and drew 4,000 and those are the ones that are in touch with us directly.
If they on their own time gave to this one group who created this bus tour, none of our business... we certainly didn't tell them to... it's called freedom to do as one pleases which most of you here seem to ignore when it comes to your own 100% astroturfed causes.
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CityGuy
December 28, 2009 9:07 PM
Teabaggers=Suckers
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Silence
December 28, 2009 9:40 PM in reply to CityGuy
Your side lost the minute the name calling started. After subjecting people to years of elitist educational boasting, the best you could come up with was some obscure, sexually explicit term used only by twisted perverts to counter an opposing view.
That fact that most of you seemed to have intimate knowledge of the term, speaks volumes about "superior education".
Sad.
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Matt Jones
December 28, 2009 10:45 PM in reply to Silence
Because the evil nasty ol' left made Rick Santelli post this, right?
http://www.reteaparty.com/2009/02/27/rick-santelli-is-as-mad-as-hell-chicago-tea-party/
Oh, and as to "intimate knowledge"? Perhaps the rest of us who live in the real world know how to use a thing called "Google", which can provide all kinds of information. Yes, I realize it requires you to put down the sticky copy of Atlas Shrugged for a minute so you can type with both hands, but it might help you out...
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jeffgee
December 28, 2009 10:51 PM in reply to Matt Jones
I sense a little gay bait in that "intimate knowledge" statement.
They are called teabaggers because their main prop is teabags. They wear them on their hats and they brought thousands of teabags to their Fox-promoted and cheerled rally.
It there's a double entendre in the words as applied to the TEA soreheads, deal with it.
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Silence
December 29, 2009 8:34 AM in reply to jeffgee
Intimate knowledge. Did you learn about teabagging from Kevin Jennings, during one his infamous man-boy love seminars? America now knows what "higher education" really means.
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TheRealFish
December 29, 2009 9:07 AM in reply to Silence
Hm...let's see. "Our" side lost the moment the "name calling" began. And we gained intimate knowledge of the practice of tea-bagging from some dude and your allegations of his pedophilic "man-boy love seminars" and this all relates, somehow, in some dimension or plane of reality to attaining learning above and beyond a GED (or is that GED "higher education" in this context???).
I guess it would require some form of higher education to suss-out and appreciate all the ironies, self-contradictions and all-consuming confusion at the heart of such thinking.
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Silence
December 29, 2009 9:50 AM in reply to TheRealFish
You'd better go back to school for some advanced education. Kevin has some good books and films that will help you to become a top notch hershey highway predator. Afterall, he was fully vetted by the Obama administration.
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TheRealFish
December 29, 2009 10:35 AM in reply to Silence
I am overawed by your reasoning.
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Number6
December 30, 2009 2:58 PM in reply to Silence
Aren't you just a little bit obsessed with the whole home-oh ero.toc thing? Something you need to tell us? Come on out, bud. We know all about you τeaβagging cl0set cases.
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Zero Hero
December 29, 2009 10:03 AM in reply to jeffgee
No, they are called tea baggers because they allow the GOP to dip their nuts into these people mouths. They tip their head back and open up their mouth and believe whatever they are told.
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Number6
December 30, 2009 3:04 PM in reply to Zero Hero
Um...do you think they swallow the lies that PHOCKS/G0P inject into their minds? Or just swish them around in their brains, then spit?
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jeffgee
December 28, 2009 10:46 PM in reply to Silence
In GOP TEA world, elite means people who did good in school. Rush and Sarah and Sean and Bill and Glenn didn't, so even though they make more money than any of us will ever see, they can bash their opponents as elite.
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NH
December 29, 2009 6:40 AM in reply to jeffgee
Elite = those who just THINK they are smarter than everyone else... but who are just arrogant fools.
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TheRealFish
December 29, 2009 9:13 AM in reply to NH
Wow. Good get. Then that means O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Palin, McCain, McConnell, and for God's sake sure John Boner, and...(sorry; this would be WALL OF TEXT time if I tried a more comprehensive list so I'll just leave it with these few as prime examples)... are all elitests by your definition.
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lousgirl84
December 29, 2009 10:28 AM in reply to NH
Well those folks you call "elite" are definitely smarter than you and your teabagger friends. You folks are ignorant beyond comprehension.
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NH
January 2, 2010 1:26 PM in reply to lousgirl84
You are young and stupid and an obvious product of the public schools... so not much expected of you to understand what is going on in this country right now.. sad case you are.
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NH
December 29, 2009 6:39 AM in reply to Silence
They may as well just use the word 'fa**ot' to describe mostly middle Americans of all stripes who make up this movement. Because that is what the slur 'teaba**er' means...
It's from the playbook of Saul Alinsky - find the target and then call it names... they are searching hard for a target and we are happy to let them be deluded into thinking it's some group with a bus or Dick Armey.
They are like lemmings and so oh so predictable aren't they? :-)
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Tulkinghorn
December 29, 2009 8:58 AM in reply to NH
Honky, please. If your signature gesture was to brandish your fist, and you started calling yourselves 'fisters', it would still somehow be the left's fault that everybody made fun of you.
The movement is full of fools, rubes, and ignorami, but that just means you are the 'real' Americans. Time to put down 'Rhetoric for Dummies' and get a proper education.
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NH
January 2, 2010 1:10 PM in reply to Tulkinghorn
And what would that be, communism? No thanks. I'll take limited government and the protection of the Constitution, from totalitarian fascists like yourself.
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TheRealFish
December 29, 2009 9:57 AM in reply to NH
Interesting that you would leap to the conclusion this is a de facto gay practice. I'm guessing it's just as much mucho macho dick slapping kind of humor as often as not. Being an old coot where this practice didn't happen at the drunken parties I grew up with, I had to turn to a younger person who works for me who also, BTW, grew up in a conservative teeny tiny town and who didn't complete a college degree but who rocks it at parties, to find out for myself what tea-bagging is.
Now I did complete my college education — and I had no idea what this was. Oh, yeah: Hetero and married. And that college degree is why I'm that guy's boss. Pure economic hoop jumping practice there. Puzzling how people who bow down to corporate masters don't understand such a simple economic principle, but that's a completely other discussion, Right? But then those corporate masters (think Dick Armey or Dubbya Bush or Newt Gingrich as examples) all have college educations.
Here's the practice of Tea-bagging from my employee's blue-collar life experience: Tea-bagging, often as not, is nothing sexual, but is lewd in the bathroom humor kind of way and, according to my young employee, is often done to those "wusses" who pass out because they can't handle their booze at parties. You know, shocking and apparently wildly funny to all who are still reeling around in mostly-conscious states. The kind of thing that causes confusion for the victim when s/he wanders around in a hung-over haze the next day and just can't understand why everyone there the night before keep smirking or laughing when the victim comes into a room with them.
Used in that uniquely testosterone driven way, and intimately knowing the mean spirits at the heart of most uber-conservatives (I grew up in such a household; born at the foot of the Old Rugged Cross here, in a family of Right Thinking Religious Neocons), I'm totally surprised such a mild form of sexually degrading attack as this isn't more well known to such uber-rightists.
Ah, well. Irrational fears are...irrational. Like the irrationality of fearing gays. So of course most anything can be perverted and bent to conform to those irrational fears it seems. Now that I've thought this through, maybe it's not so surprising you leap there. Kind of similar to the kind of thinking that believes HIV/AIDS is some punishment for being gay I guess. Not so puzzling. Just sad.
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Forrest
December 29, 2009 11:18 AM in reply to NH
Sorry to burst your homophobic bubble, but I'm pretty sure gay men don't have a monopoly on teabagging.
Interesting you'd go there, though.
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Silence
December 29, 2009 1:12 PM in reply to Forrest
How is the ho business going these days?
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Forrest
December 29, 2009 1:47 PM in reply to Silence
It would be better if your mother would stop holding out on me.
Tell that bitch she better have my money.
See, I can be insulting too! :D
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Silence
December 29, 2009 2:12 PM in reply to Forrest
ACORN will happily set you up with a ho house funded with taxpayer money.
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Number6
December 30, 2009 2:11 PM in reply to Silence
Note to silence: That horse is dead. But hey, keep "whipping your pony" if it makes ya feel good.
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Signalman
December 29, 2009 9:19 AM in reply to Silence
"Your side lost the minute the name calling started."
You keep telling yourself that, Champ. You lost in NY-23, and you lost the battle to get the bill through the Senate. It's not the Dems that are losing.
And if you think your side is exempt from name-calling, I have some news for you. There are lots of photos and lots of videotapes of the rabble on *your* side with some pretty nasty slogans and name-calling on their protest signs. And that Congressman who got a swastika painted on his home district office sign? Yeah, that's MY congressman. That office is about three miles from my house.
Your side Godwinned itself, moron. GMAMFB.
"After subjecting people to years of elitist educational boasting,"
Truth does not equal boasting. I bet the Catholic authorities said much the same sort of thing to Galileo as you're saying now, but the church has recognized its error and has retroactively apologized for its misdeeds in that regard. You are just as wrong now as the Catholic Church was then.
"the best you could come up with was some obscure, sexually explicit term used only by twisted perverts to counter an opposing view."
Dude, y'all came up with the teabag motif. Don't blame us because y'all are ignorant and made a poor choice.
I bet you blame your mother when your clothes don't match and people make fun of you at work. (laughing) :D
"That fact that most of you seemed to have intimate knowledge of the term, speaks volumes about "superior education".
The fact that your entire clusterphuck was ignorant of what they were setting themselves up for speaks volumes about how tuned in y'all are to the 'culture wars.'
In other words, don't show up unarmed to a battle of wits, and you won't be made to look like a bunch of ignorant chimps.
"Sad."
Y'all certainly are. And you're particularly pathetic.
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Forrest
December 29, 2009 10:39 AM in reply to Silence
"Your side lost the minute the name calling started. "
Wow, if name-calling brings on losing, then Obama is never going to lose another election. Period.
I don't think I've ever seen a public figure whose name has been so universally perverted by his or her detractors.
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Marinus van der Lubbe
December 29, 2009 1:40 PM in reply to CityGuy
Another case of rubes being fleeced by the big city grifters....
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Whenwillthisnightmareend
December 28, 2009 10:22 PM
?Cynicism, a hallmark of Republican virtues. This seems like another version of the Iraq war method of plundering the rubes (us).
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jeffgee
December 28, 2009 10:39 PM
Looks like the Tea Partiers are nothing but one more bunch of useful idiots to the GOP.
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NH
December 29, 2009 6:44 AM in reply to jeffgee
Actually it's the other way around -- since we wield the power, the GOP will become useful to us...
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Seraph
December 29, 2009 10:55 AM in reply to NH
So many possible responses...I guess I'll settle for: How?
By forcing them ever further to the Right, you prevent the GOP from making the kind of outreach that's necessary for them to remain - or perhaps I should say become - a vital, influential party in the 21st century. The only demographic they still really command are white, rural (heterosexually) married Christians - especially older and southern ones. That demographic is shrinking, but your demands for absolute ideological purity prevent the GOP from reaching out to others. What's more, you're splitting the party between yourselves and the money men, libertarian small-government types and moderates who used to be your allies. See NY-23 for the result of that.
Considering how badly you're damaging the GOP in the process of taking it over, how is it really going to be useful to you?
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Silence
December 29, 2009 1:35 PM in reply to Seraph
The spend and tax policies of the current admin and congress will force the transfer of power. Hungry people are not terribly ideological.
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TheRealFish
December 29, 2009 3:07 PM in reply to Silence
Where was the non-ideology of hunger when Bush converted a tax surplus to a $1.3 trillion debt under all-Repub control of WH and congress, I wonder?
Oh. That's Right. His financial house of cards began tumbling through his last six months in office and he handed off the mess to his successor.
Just as he did with every other business he ever ran. At least, in that, he has a solid record. Heckuva job, Bushie!
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Signalman
December 31, 2009 12:05 PM in reply to TheRealFish
Co-sign.
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expat46
December 29, 2009 10:58 AM in reply to NH
Dude, you are so full of shit. Listen to yourself... "we wield the power" blah blah "the GOP will be useful to us" blah blah. I'm still waiting for a link to the website for your "coalition of groups"
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NH
January 2, 2010 12:59 PM in reply to expat46
You talking to me? I will reiterate: This whole article is much ado about nothing. ONE group wanted to hire a bus to bring attention to the 'movement' so it raised money and used a PR firm to do it. I supposed you don't object to the fact that Nazi George Soros funds every left wing 'progressive' group in the country that is hell bent on our destruction? Crickets!
As I said before, the group in NH doesn't have any connections to any DC groups, or GOP groups, although locally may support the mission. NH has a coalition of groups that are the movement and they educate, activate and have no leader and collect no money.
This is how it works in most states who resist being organized by anything bigger.
We are after all about State autonomy. What is so hard about this to understand?
And if you knew how to use Google you could find the NH Tea Party Coalition which is made up of all Constitutional leaning groups as well as several dozen 912 groups and other liberty-oriented groups -- and NO GEORGE SOROS or Rockefeller wealth fueling it..
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NH
January 2, 2010 1:47 PM in reply to NH
Oh and final word: you can keep asking where to donate in the hopes of uncovering a 'plot' to finance a PAC (which I might add is totally legal and proper if there are those who wish to do it) but the fact is you won't find anyplace to donate to anything because the people of this movement do not ask for money, just action, and they are getting it.
At first it surprised you but now it alarms you.
Do you think regressives are the only ones allowed that should be allowed to take money (from foreign communists I might add)?
Recent poll shows tea party groups are more popular than Democrat party or Republican party and that makes sense because we are comprised of those who know that parties are a ruse created to keep partisan hacks like you on the left side of things fighting with those pretending to be on the right (constitutional) side of things.
Thank God the masses are awakening to this party nonsense and are finally thinking for themselves.
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Silence
December 29, 2009 8:52 AM in reply to jeffgee
Do you mean the way the Dems are useful idiots for the banksters, insurance companies, GE, news media, corrupt unions, car companies and welfare states? Is that what you mean?
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TheRealFish
December 29, 2009 10:23 AM in reply to Silence
If you think you are free from being that type of "useful idiot" then you are truly deluded: Thinking this is even a left/right, conservative/liberal issue is the heart of the delusion. That you might defend or serve the very anti-constitution forces that have sucked We the People out of this government and filled the vacuum with outsourced private corporations is the functional part of that delusion.
And folks who stand at the alter of Saint (Ron) Paul also fool themselves, as his teachings and preachings fool many, since his uber-libertarian perspective strives to seal that deal.
To remove "government" from our lives, means paving the path for the GEs, car companies, private insurers, banksters, corporate mass media, and all the rest of the corporate overlords to rule us all (as they mostly do now).
Why? Because, as our founders modeled it, every citizen IS the government. Getting the government out of our lives means getting us great unwashed masses out of the way so that the private, multi-national corporations (meaning, folks who have ZERO loyalty to any country) can tell us how to live, and when and how we will die since they are the death panels standing between us and our doctors and reap huge and obscene profits from waging endless wars against anybody and everybody else, and where We the People are just canon fodder to be chewed up and spit out by their greed.
The ironies of your statement and evident beliefs are almost blinding in their complete lack of understanding the forces against which this country is really at war. You are an enabler for the abusers who prefer nothing more than to beat us and lock us in their basements as they pillage our common wealth.
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worthy9
December 29, 2009 11:37 AM in reply to TheRealFish
Well put. I've been saying for a long time that reducing government influence is the same as reducing the peoples' influence because the people *are* the government. Thanks for the concurring view because, surprisingly, I've never seen it said elsewhere.
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Silence
December 29, 2009 1:16 PM in reply to TheRealFish
I was not given a choice in buying stock in car companies or transfering my wealth to failing private companies.
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TheRealFish
December 29, 2009 3:01 PM in reply to Silence
It was really bad of Bush to do that, granted, and just as wrong for Obama to continue it. Just like it was bad of Bush to give us no choice in transferring our wealth to private contractors like Blackwater or the unfunded, debt-raising Medicare Part-D transfer to those private insurance companies (never could figure why it was necessary to provide insurance for insurance; seemed kinda wasteful...or was it just so those rich insurers — what Bush called "my base" — could line their pockets to keep shuffling money back toward electing neos??). Totally agree (surprise, surprise): It must all be stopped. So that We the People can collectively help each other.
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NH
January 2, 2010 1:07 PM in reply to Silence
Right on!
For example, 350.org rails against 'big oil'
But a little investigations shows they are funded by the Rockefeller Foundation and others like Maurice Strong = BIG OIL!
How Sweet is THAT?!?
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NH
January 2, 2010 1:33 PM in reply to Silence
Silence: Notice they never answer to questions about their own astroturfed groups which is all 100% of them? They prefer to focus on one small group that collected money so they could pain a bus.. (gasp!!!!)
OFA
DP
Open Society
MoveOn
Center for American Progress
Tides
ACORN
SEIU
MediaMatters
350.org
...and the list goes on... all funded by socialist utopian and ADMITTED NAZI-SYMPATHIZER Geroge Soros, who wants the culling of society, at least 80% of us, and thinks 'health care' is the way to fool the masses into accepting it. And who brags about knowing what the dollar will do...manipulated the market on Sept 15, 2008 in order to ensure the victory for his puppet teleprompter president of 57 states, BHO.
Dopes for Hope.
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NH
January 2, 2010 1:36 PM in reply to Silence
Here here! Well said.... and true. These rubes are funding their own demise.
This Media Matters video tells all.
youtube.com/watch?v=TpZZGTGVePE
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Bill Bowman
December 28, 2009 10:41 PM
Russo has yellow teeth. You'd think with all that cash he's pulling in pretending to be a patriot, he'd slip a little coin to a dentist to clean those babies up.
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Number6
December 31, 2009 12:37 PM in reply to Bill Bowman
Maybe his dentist is Oily Twit!
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AirBoss
December 28, 2009 11:01 PM
Tea-suckers...
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JEP07
December 28, 2009 11:14 PM
'baggers...
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NH
January 2, 2010 1:39 PM in reply to JEP07
Even Harry Reid thinks you smell...
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Leftflank
December 29, 2009 12:03 AM
The teabaggers must have gotten into the sleepy-time tea. They were apparently snoozing while the still scamming bushies took them for another ride.
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HoraceTBass
December 29, 2009 12:37 AM
You can't teach a Sneetch!
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The Right MIxx
December 29, 2009 2:12 AM
What does this idiotic and incomplete post accomplish? Is there anyone here who thinks that the Tea Party Express has drawn thousands of peope to the movement? YES. How much $$ does TV and Radio and Net advertising cost? How much do you think a bus wrap costs? How much do you think it costs to run a campaign like this?
These folks from Russo Marsh: Sal Russo and Joseph Wierzbicki are the ones who accomplished the Recall of the disgusting Gonernor Gray Davis. Sal worked on the cabinet of Governor Ronald Reagan. Joe Wierzbicki has the highest integrity of the men I know. Both have worked their butts off for years to preserve conservative values. Especially now are trying to pomote true conservatives and boot RINO's back to the left where they belong!
Lastly, what have you done? You want to know what I'm about? I'm a part of the Express- I returned as a volunteer in August (I volunteered with them on the Recall) but they've been doing Tea Parties since the beginning with all of you. Here's my story as a single mom... I'm right here with you. We're the same we have the same goals. We want to SAVE our beloved Constitution.
All this in-fighting of these power hungry people who only have 1 thing in mind: to gather the tea partiers, break off into a new 3rd party and then lead them (I have a few people in mind who I think want to be the leader of this new party). They are using these tactics to rip us apart because we believe in the local grass roots movement more than a national movement. We travel across the country to strenghten the local groups. We offer small groups what they can't get themselves. We bring national media which brings more people out of their homes, we have big entertainers including the buses and we do commercials http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiC7S12cwhE targeting the worst offenders in gov't. All FREE to the local groups. We do not charge them for our speakers or buses or crew (about 25 people, 2 buses, 1 van, 1 suv, 1 Budget truck all with equiptment, about 7 drivers) all these folk doing up to 40 rallies in less than 3 week period. You doubt our committment to this grassroots cause? Really? Then your heads not in the right pace if you do!
So after you've actually crunched some numbers... and checked the history (try wiki) of Russo and Wierzbicki. Read my story as a single mom, then send me a message on my blogspot if you're still pissed!!
www.TheRightMixx.blogspot.com
Tiffiny Ruegner
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Silence
December 29, 2009 8:47 AM in reply to The Right MIxx
The Heritage Foundation has your back, Tiffiny.
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NH
January 2, 2010 1:20 PM in reply to The Right MIxx
Go away Tiffanny. You are not our leader.
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The Right MIxx
December 29, 2009 2:16 AM
(I wrote this a coupe of months ago when the first wave of unnecessary attacks hit- but the way truth prevailed and we rose above it and will again)
The Story of a Single Mom
A number of years ago, just a few months after I turned 18, I had one of the most wonderful opportunities. I was able to vote for the first time. The feeling was powerful to think that I had a hand in the democratic process. I walked into the polling place with my voters pamphlet in hand ready to mark down those candidates I felt worthy to best represent me. When I walked out of the polling booth that day I oozed with pride that I was a member of such a great nation that is run by and for the people. I felt a brotherhood with the citizens exiting with me. We had done our job and now it was time for the process to finish it. The next day some people and issues I voted for won and some lost but I figured that would keep the balance. One thing I knew for sure is that I couldn't wait for the next year.
Well, I don't really remember when it began. But now when I walk into the polling booth I'm filled with anxiety and dissatisfaction about whose name I'm about to write down on my ballot. I try to pick the candidate who will do the least harm to our nation. The one who might possibly hold up our Constitution. Gone are the days where I feel like my vote is actually accomplishing something. Everytime I vote I feel like I'm trying to prevent something.
I decided last year that I can no longer sit by and vote for the least likely to chip away at my way of life. I walked into the DMV and took my name out of any political party because I feel that none of them is behaving how they're written on paper. They have lost all their savor and have lost their way. I held that voter registration form in my hand and with a sunken heart checked the box 'I decline to state'. I AM a woman without a party but not without a country. I believe in my country and it's citizens. I know that we have to get normal intelligent citizens who can stand up and fight the power-hungry machine that is Washington. This is especially important to me now because the small business I started and left my job for to provide for my son and I is hanging by a thread. The past year has nearly done me in. I want to fight for my business, my son, my country, for what's right.
I joined with the Tea Party Express in hopes to draw out regular citizens who still believe that we live in the greatest country on earth. Someone whose ideals may match mine. Someone who wants to live a good life with their family with little intervention from the government. Someone who wants the integrity and goodness of this Nation to be preserved. Someone who believes the American dream though dying can be resurrected again by discouraging dependence in its government while fostering independence in its citizens. Since going on tour with the Tea Party Express, I have been given a renewed sense of hope. I have walked among greatness as I've brushed shoulders with the crowd. There is a big change coming... it's sweeping over the nation from small farming towns to great bustling cities. Anytime our nation has faced a change such as this, there has been great opposition against. I can see it now as the Tea Party movement begins to tear each other apart but I want you to know... it will not break apart. Those who are hungry for power can say whatever they want but the truth will always prevail.
I WILL vouch for the Tea Party Express. They DO NOT contribute any funds whatsoever to any political party at all!! As a matter of fact on tour I have met some of the most interesting people and heard some of the most inspiring speakers from every political party even invented. Why? Because TPX represents all of us who are sick and tired of watching our independence slip away. Though I've not been with them since the beginning I have witnessed on tour a group of normal people who's only desire at the rallys was to support the local Tea Party's and to get the people excited to move. We NEED the people to move. We NEED this nation to work together and set aside petty agendas to save our country! I want us to work together. What IS it that YOU want?
Tea Parties are where we're going to find our voice. Tea Party Express brings those who maybe would have stayed home in their recliner out. In your local community someone will attend whose heart will be so moved that they WILL find the voice inside and become a dynamic influence on changing this government from the inside out. Who it will be I don't know... they may be completely unknown now but they will show up and rise above the crowd. We just need to provide the avenue to bring them out. Will you help? Can we afford to wait any longer? TPX is coming to your town to support you local Tea Party, will you support us?
Please call or email me to discuss ways you can help.
--
Tiffiny Ruegner
Single mom and entrepeneur
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Tulkinghorn
December 29, 2009 9:02 AM in reply to The Right MIxx
"I WILL vouch for the Tea Party Express. They DO NOT contribute any funds whatsoever to any political party at all!!"
No, they just get played by second-tier GOP scamsters. Congratulations: your sad little movement just kept three lawyers very flush with hookers and blow for more than six months. Keep up the good work!
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Silence
December 29, 2009 9:27 AM in reply to Tulkinghorn
The next election will tell the story.
BTW, why do progressives despise freedom? Seriously, the notion of becoming a slave to a corrupt govt and corporate interests is simply inconceivable to me. Why is the destruction of property rights and complete dependency better more desirable than liberty?
You claim to be "friends of nature", yet your ideology is at complete odds with natural law. My guess is that natural law will win. It always does. The squirrel claims his home. The lion claims his territory and the people of the US will reclaim their country.
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Signalman
December 29, 2009 9:59 AM in reply to Silence
"The next election will tell the story."
That's the same thing y'all were saying until you got your collective hiney handed to you in NY-23. Y'all *used* to claim that election was the be-all and end-all, but now that a Democrat won the seat, that election doesn't matter any more and y'all are all heated up over the *next* election (in which y'all won't do particularly well, either).
You'd all be better served by trying to figure out how Democrats are beating the pants off of you, but self-criticism doesn't seem to be one of your stronger points.
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TheRealFish
December 29, 2009 3:57 PM in reply to Silence
I admit I am never very clear on what defines "freedom" for some folks. Your interpretation eludes me here.
Does freedom mean watching your neighbor's house burn while you toast marshmallows in your fireplace? After all, things like fire departments are government (We the People) funded little socialist organizations designed around the concept that We use our common resources, our commonwealth, to protect the least among us against disasters, regardless whether those disasters are natural, result from carelessness or willful acts.
The firefighters don't stop at the front door and ask the occupants whether they earn enough to pay their taxes or if they can pay for the personnel and equipment before we put out the fire. We just put out the fire and (hopefully) rescue those who may be trapped behind walls of flame. That we all pay for this self-protection and self-help seems rarely to be a question.
So why is it we suddenly raise questions when the "fire" is the person's life itself? When the disaster is that a 14 year old contracts some cancer we suddenly have to know "how can you pay for this?" or "what did you do to prevent this?"
Really?
Or is it simply that there is no property involved when a person wants to get their teeth cleaned every six months to avoid spending thousands and thousands of dollars to repair the dental disaster that would surely follow such neglect?
I have a hard time reconciling "freedom" as pertaining only to property or possession. You talk about social Darwinism while ignoring the very real fact that We as a people and We as THE government would surely be better able to compete in the world economy and against the interests of other nations if we are all healthy and productive.
I'm fairly certain the founding war cry was not "Give my property freedom or give me death!" I suspect that was not in the minds of the liberal authors of this country when they spoke of ensuring each citizens' right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
We as a species gained dominance over the lions of the savannah and other terrors of the bush or the night not by watching each other be eaten: We have grown to dominance by banding together and protecting each other. Call it Socialism 101 from the veldt at the dawn of human history.
I believe our founders understood this, since they wrote in the preamble to the constitution that
Yes, the emphasis added was mine. What on earth do you think "promote the general welfare" of "We the people" means, exactly? Can you see no further than your billfold or your belongings? I got mine so screw all y'all? Is that promoting general welfare?
If, by the lights of your Darwinistic model you mean to suggest that either slavery is just fine, thank you (not constituional anymore in case you missed that one), or else the only people that need to survive are the ones swinging the biggest dicks out of the top 1 or 2 percent of wage earners (they're going to get pretty poor, pretty hungry and pretty cold without the rest of us carrying their sorry asses), then I believe what you want is some country other than the one that our founders had in mind.
"In order to form a more perfect union... ." That phrase by itself says this is a work in progress and that, until we fulfil the criteria that follow it, our job will not be done and promoting the general welfare is just as important a part as all the others in that statement.
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Number6
December 30, 2009 4:31 PM in reply to Silence
You, Sir, are the reason I am a professor. I teach sociology in order to help young people to think and ask questions, rather than simply believing the lies and crap that society hands them.
OBTW...every semester, I teach the ideas of Karl Marχ in every class to about a hundred students. And if a student asks me, I tell him/her that I'm an atheist and why I am one. Good luck having more effect than I do, Sparky!
Now get back to work. Those pizzas won't deliver themselves.
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Bloggin
December 29, 2009 9:22 AM in reply to The Right MIxx
This a clear example why education is so important.
Instead, this little girl looking for love from anyone willing to have sex with her, end up getting pregnant and having a child.
Now as an outcast in her own 'community', she is trying to find 'acceptance/love' in an extremist group, and now she is being used once again.
Very much like drug addicts, it doesn't help their situation if they 'choose' to find refuge in a drug den. Just because there are others around them suffering from a similar addiction/dysfunction, it doesn't change the fact that they have an addiction/dysfunction.
Luckily she will be able to get affordable mental heath care when Healthcare Reform is passed next year.
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Silence
December 29, 2009 9:40 AM in reply to Bloggin
Education, education. Here we go again. Do even know the purpose of education? It should provide the necessary training for survival and further achievement. Basic stuff. The rest is all fluff.
Obviously, you're not very well-educated or you would understand this basic concept. You seem to believe that education is meant to develop the best little slave in the whole wide world.
Good Luck with that.
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Forrest
December 29, 2009 11:39 AM in reply to Silence
"The rest is all fluff."
I find this incredibly appalling, and proof that you don't have a clue what you're talking about. It is in direct contradiction to the purported goals of the Tea Party movement.
The best way to keep a slave is to teach them *just enough* to do the job you want them to do. If they're not educated, they can't realize they're being exploited.
Why do you think many states had laws to prevent slave literacy? Slave owners were scared to death that slaves might learn they were actually people and deserved better, and revolt. Do you think the *real* elite in America are any different?
Give the people Survivor, and American Idol. Give them Paris Hilton and TMZ. Kill newspapers and promote Yahoo! Buzz. Shrink their attention spans so they can't hold a coherent thought for more than 5 minutes at a time. All the while bombarding them with pleas to buy more stuff so they can find true happiness.
You Tea Partiers should be all about education so you can learn how to fight your public and private sector masters. How will you sway the undecided to join your cause if you can't effectively communicate and persuade people?
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Silence
December 29, 2009 12:54 PM in reply to Forrest
The level of ignorance on this site is truly amazing. You assume that because a person has not earned some uppity college degree in some uppity city, independence, creativity and the ability to produce does not exist.
I have an advanced degree from one of the best engineering schools, located in a very uppity city. Yet, as I travel through the rural parts of America, I am humbled.
These folks graciously share information that is not available to even the finest universities. Intelligence and knowledge is not measured by a degree, but by the person possessing it.
Those "stupid" people are, in fact, incredibly bright and remarkably resourceful. However, most left wing snobs wouldn't know anything bout that. I'm quite sure that Star Bucks drinking, Birkenstock wearing, uppity college professors with tiny round glasses never bother to mention anything about the impressive accomplishments of rural America in their over-priced, waste of time classes.
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JEP07
December 29, 2009 1:04 PM in reply to Silence
"The level of ignorance on this site is truly amazing."
Thanks so much for contributing to that recent development.
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Forrest
December 29, 2009 1:12 PM in reply to Silence
Where did I mention degrees from any university? I'm talking about EDUCATION. It doesn't matter where it comes from. Maybe your grandfather tells you about the way things were when he was a boy, and you learn a bit of history. Maybe your friend the mortgage broker tells you how she's making so much money, so you learn a bit about how the housing market collapsed. Maybe the guy at Starbucks tells you to check out an interesting YouTube video, so you learn a bit about Yacht Rock.
And yes - maybe a college professor explains the concepts of fluid mechanics to you, so you can create something that changes the world. Or maybe that same professor exposes you to a new musical artist, and you're inspired to write your own song...which changes the world.
Education is education. It doesn't matter if it's a Harvard MBA, or a Public Speaking degree from Ohlone Community College, or a summer on a dairy farm. If we start denigrating people for bettering themselves, however they choose to do so, then we might as well pack it in as a society.
'Elitists' as targets are just additional convenient outlets for typical conservative xenophobia. We may not agree on everything, but at least we can agree that we hate people that aren't like us, eh?
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Marinus van der Lubbe
December 30, 2009 8:28 AM in reply to Silence
Hey Silence:
Im retired military, have my degrees and teach at a university in Virginia. I dont wear Birkenstocks as they arent suitable for a Harley rider, but I would love to put one up your dumbass right about now. Just reference Mark Twain and live by the saying that one should be just thought a fool instead of opening one's mouth and removing all doubt. Youre one of the ignorant douchekits who, while you put down those uppity professors, uppity elitists and uppity whatever word your tongue is having problems controlling but probably start with an N, you wish to hell you had SOME control over your life. it's not our fault, knucklehead that over 8 million more people voted for the current administration. Blame it on small minded non uppity people like yourself.
Please have a cup of STFU.
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Number6
December 30, 2009 4:41 PM in reply to Silence
I get it, dude. You flunked out of your local community college. Just couldn't handle the work. Now you call all education evil and want to abolish it.
But hey. There's always truck driving school.
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NH
January 2, 2010 1:22 PM in reply to Silence
The purpose of education since 1946 has been to dumb down the masses and ready them for the unconstitutional one-world communo-fascist society.
Judging from all the useful idiots here, I'd say it's done its job.
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Marinus van der Lubbe
December 30, 2009 8:05 AM in reply to The Right MIxx
Wow...you didnt leave any Kool-Aid for the rest of us! Seriously, you want to work with others in bringing your country back? Then all the signs denigrating the POTUS as a nazi, an ape, a communist or whatever are helpful? Do you think you can really base a dialogue on a premise that the majority of the country voted for Obama yet in some way he is a usurper or some socialist who is undermining everything? And what is that everything he is destroying?...Actually planning a budget that pays for what the country spends in opposition to Bush who spent without any regard for the growing deficit? Hatch (R-Utah) just admitted they didnt plan on paying for anything when they controlled the Congress and the WH. Is that what you want back? want two wars fought on money borrowed from China? Generational Theft started THERE. I'm retired military, my wife is still in and active and I dont see YOUR sacrifice in helping the scores of families who are truly paying for the wars. Did the rich contribute? Was there some efort by your tea baggers to raise awareness for service families? Any war effort on your part..besides whining about the tax cut Obama gave you, but discounting it as an act of socialist agenda?
You boo-hoo about your counrty but youre part of that '2 minute hate' generated by the likes of Palin where Americans are turned on one another as some being 'less' patriotic, less American. Yes, thats you. Empowered when you wear your little Minnie Pearl hat with the tea bags hanging off it? Good, because Ms I Dont Vote Anymore, I have no party Woe is Me, thats all the power you deserve.
Do please have a cup of shut the fuck up...you really have no voice, and that's self inflicted.
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Number6
December 30, 2009 5:10 PM in reply to The Right MIxx
Playing my violin, PUMA girl! You've got a career ahead of ya in infomercials...
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Q Jordon
December 29, 2009 3:11 AM
I think a group hug is in order. The tea-baggers are in denial.
They have been had by corporates with an agenda. It appeared that the Tea Baggy Movement started as legit, but with a little digging from those with a clue and the willingness to do so - they have been exposed as just another PAC fun raising corporate head.
I wonder if that corporation makes frumunder cheese. No, I digress. Besides, I believe they simply created a bunch of Tea Baggers... enough said.
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Silence
December 29, 2009 8:25 AM in reply to Q Jordon
Corporate agenda? What party is a dupe for the corporate agenda? Shall we discuss AIG, Fannie and Freddie, the banks, the car companies, insurance companies, the news media, GE, Google and China?
You really don't want to go there, do you?
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Signalman
December 29, 2009 9:24 AM in reply to Silence
I'm your huckleberry. Bring it on.
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