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Election Law Experts Say James O’Keefe Allies Could Face Charges Over Voter Fraud Stunt

Election Law Experts Say James O’Keefe Allies Could Face Charges Over Voter Fraud Stunt

Update, Jan. 11, 5:00PM: Mark Zuckerman, a federal prosecutor in the New Hampshire U.S. Attorney’s Office, told TPM he recently became aware of the Project Veritas video and was reviewing it but hadn’t formed any opinion on whether it presented an issue.

It was one of the few — if not the only — coordinated efforts to attempt in-person voter fraud, and it was pulled off by affiliates of conservative activist James O’Keefe at polling places in New Hampshire Tuesday night. All of it part of an attempt to prove the need for voter ID laws that voting rights experts say have a unfair impact on minority voters.

Now election law experts tell TPM that O’Keefe’s allies could face criminal charges on both the federal and state level for procuring ballots under false names, and that his undercover sting doesn’t demonstrate a need for voter ID laws at all.

Federal law bans not only the casting of, but the “procurement” of ballots “that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held.”

Hamline University law professor David Schultz told TPM that there’s “no doubt” that O’Keefe’s investigators violated the law.

“In either case, if they were intentionally going in and trying to fraudulently obtain a ballot, they violated the law,” Schultz said. “So right off the bat, what they did violated the law.”

Election law expert Rick Hasen, who writes the Election Law Blog, joked in an email to TPM that O’Keefe’s team should “next show how easy it is to rob a bank with a plastic gun.”

“Who in their right mind would risk a felony conviction for this? And who would be able to do this in large enough numbers to (1) affect the outcome of the election and (2) remain undetected?” Hasen wrote.

Other election experts agreed that the video doesn’t change the substance of the debate over whether the minimal threat of in-person voter fraud is worth the impact that such laws can have on minority and poor voters.

“The fact that activists can engage in a stunt is not a reason for reform,” Samuel Issacharoff, a professor of constitutional law at New York University Law School, told TPM. “It means nothing. Why would anybody want to do this? It proves that they don’t update their dead voter information as quickly as they might, but so what? To pull this off on a large scale, you’d need coordination, and presumably somebody would have heard about it.”

Someone did, in fact, catch on to the scheme when a man dressed in a suit and tie tried to vote as a dead man known to the poll watcher. The man left before police arrived and said the poll watcher would “soon find out” why he tried to vote under a fake name, the Boston Herald reported Tuesday night.

Henry Brady of the University of California told TPM that O’Keefe’s video showed that what his team did was “possible” but said that was never really a question. He also said that other techniques short of voter ID — like asking voters to sign a roll when they receive their ballot — would stop the type of fraud O’Keefe’s allies were attempting.

“Yes, this shows it’s possible to do what they did but you have to ask yourself… how many illegal immigrants would risk a jail term to vote illegally?” Brady said. “What they didn’t tell us, were they ever stopped and asked what’s going on here.”

John Samples of Cato told TPM that this would be a political issue and that O’Keefe was “pushing on an open door” because voter ID is politically popular. But he questioned whether it was worth the risk for O’Keefe.

“This is illegal, right? This is fraud and you would think he would actually get into trouble for doing this,” Samples told TPM.

Samples said that O’Keefe’s video could have an impact in the political fight over voter ID laws but “in the judicial fights — and the fight amongst wonks — it wouldn’t change much. The big question for policy always was what was the extent of it, and this doesn’t solve that question.”

The video, first obtained by the Daily Caller, is embedded below.

Late update: Richard Head of the New Hampshire Attorney General’s office issued this statement to TPM: “We became aware of the issue yesterday on election day, and immediately began conducting an investigation. In addition, based upon the information we received yesterday and the information in the video, we’ve initiated a comprehensive review of voting procedures with the Secretary of State.”

James O'Keefe, Voter Identification, Voter suppression, Voting, Voting Rights Act, voter fraud, voter intimidation
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Ryan J. Reilly is a D.C.-based reporter for TPM. Prior to joining TPM, he worked for a news website covering the Justice Department and was a researcher for Bloomberg News. His email address is ryan(at)talkingpointsmemo.com.

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Rixar13 14 pts

This video shoud be on World's Dumbest Criminals.... smile :-)

Rixar13 14 pts

"Richard Head of the New Hampshire Attorney General’s office issued this statement to TPM: “We became aware of the issue yesterday on election day, and immediately began conducting an investigation."

The AG of New Hampshire needs to put this clown in the Can (Jail).... Anything less is unacceptable....

Steven Belsky 6 pts

FROM STORY

Federal law bans not only the casting of, but the “procurement” of ballots “that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held.”

MY COMMENTS

1. ANY SYSTEM (group of parts that work together) is likely to have flaws AND / OR can be made to fail.

2. IT SHOULD __ NOT__ BE FAULT OF THE PERSON / PEOPLE THAT THE SYSTEM FAILS. THE SYSTEM __ SHOULD BE __ DESIGNED __ NOT __ TO FAIL!!!

3. We should be rewarding people to find flaws. NOT MAKING IT A CRIME.

wlipman 5 pts

Richard Head of the New Hampshire Attorney General’s office...Dick Head? Sometimes, this crap writes itself!

Mr. Britesnide 314 pts

I don't want to see O"Keefe in jail.

I WANT TO SEE HIM UNDER THE JAIL.

prcsr49 14 pts

I'm sure if there was a gratuity involved some would risk jail time.

bintalshamsa 6 pts

prcsr49 It would have to be a helluva gratuity for someone to risk $10,000 and five years in jail. Anyone seeking to use the supposed cracks in the system to change an election would leave a paper trail so long that it would be nearly impossible to keep it undetected. If a group had enough cash around to pay people more than they'd risk if caught, their money would be better spent on more air-time since that is a much more effective way to influence elections. Then, there are the banking laws that report all withdrawals over 10,000 to the government. They could attempt to pull the money out a little bit at a time in order to avoid detection, but that's a crime, too. If their scheme was detected they'd face even more prison time on top of what they'd have to serve for voter fraud.

It's no surprise that this hasn't really been attempted by any group. The entire plot would take so much work that it would be exposed before it could have the desired results.

debverdi 9 pts

GOP will stop at nothing to spread lies and misinformation

Obama 2012

mtinmo 43 pts

O'Keefe is an idiot who wants to be in the limelight and will stop at nothing to try to get himself back in the news- at least on Faux News. I would hope that his dupes finally figure out he may get them more than they bargained for- jail and a record.

Chris Vosburg 52 pts

EddyJames1952 suspects below that large scale voter fraud might be most likely be conducted by: "the same ones that have been convicted before, the NAACP..."

Whoa, hold it right there: that's a bold claim, EddyJim. Care to link to a reputable news agency's description of the NAACP's conviction for voter fraud? We can talk about your other slanders after we finish up with this one.

Right, why'd I ask. Don't forget your hat and goat, rube.

eddyjames1952 6 pts

And what organizations could organize such a large scale voter fraud effort ? Why the same ones that have been convicted before, the NAACP, and ACORN along with the Democratic party itself.The ones that whine most about how voter ID would stop voter fraud.The very same ones that would have the most to loose if elections were fair. The same corrupt organizations that Obama is tied to.He helped set up ACORN's and NAACP's game the vote schemes.When he still had a Law license .

Bwakfat 2344 pts

eddyjames1952 The only thing "loose" around here is your grip on reality.

Is O'Keefe a republican? He committed election fraud, and was dimwitted enough to video it. Maybe you should listen to people who are smarter than the average rutting pig.

David C. Brown 9 pts

eddyjames1952 - you poor deluded sucker.....using discredited ACORN nonsense to make your point. Typical of a Republicrud to use lies, documented lies, to support yet another lie....Republicans are just so stupid.Just because YOU are to stupid to see the fraud doesn't mean that the rest of us are as stupid as you are. Your stupidity and ignorance IS NOT a benchmark for the rest of us.For example - you probably STILL believe in the "yellow cake uranium" lie. The rest of us knew it was a lie, NOT because we had better intel than Cheney or Bush - but because we knew to look at Cheney and Bush as liars....You, eddyjames, are a dupe. You wallow in stupidity and ignorance and celebrate it!! You probably still cling desperately to the nonsense and obvious bit of bullshit that is "trickle down."The obvious ignorance of Republicruds who post on internet forums leads me to believe it is willful, self-inflicted stupidity on the part of the GOPer's.....

degeneratevern 26 pts

David C. Browneddyjames1952 These people still think Saddam Hussein had WMD'S, we just haven't found them yet.

madashellvoter 63 pts

You're a funny man, Eddy. But not the most informed or educated on the matter from what you speak of. For that, you get the dunce cap, sit in the corner. EDDY

eliakon 9 pts

ACORN? you mean the OTHER place where this O'Keefe went in and "selectively' Edited the tapes? Guess you didnt watch the OTHER part of the tapes, the ones that showed where the ACORN people were the ones that turned in the people that were Illegally registering stuff? Where they had seperated the Falsified registrations into a seperate stack and had them listed as tainted when they turned them in (you have to turn them ALL in since they are not your property, but the govenrments) you know that stuff? the stuff that shows that ACORN was doing the right stuff. Which is why Just the two staffers were prosicuted, and the orginzation got no fines. Selective edititng is for hollywood blockbusters, not "undercover exposes" unless your on Faux news" were if the news isnt there...invent it

Frank Civet 63 pts

eddyjames1952 i have never read one of your opinions, but I will never read another one. idiotic!!!

mikeksf 5 pts

Oh, eddyj....your satire is hysterical thanks for the posting. I think it's a brilliant use of irony to expose your astute political understanding. Your grasp of the reality of the GOP/Fox attack machine personified by O'Keefe is so very refreshing, you clever dog.

leftflank 676 pts

The other purpose of Dominoes is to set them up & watch them fall. The fools that sign on to O'keefe's little crime sprees are going to take the fall right along with him. Hell, they are actually helping build the case one crime at a time to help solidify the charges.

O'keefe & Co. may be throwing dirt but it is burying his partners & himself.

chukekle 10 pts

If voter ID laws stop even 1 person that has the RIGHT to vote that will make that law unconstitutional, the constitution gives EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN the right to vote and all it is gonna take to have ID laws overturned in the courts is for 1 American citizen being denied that right, so i say go for it and have an American citizen go in without an ID and be denied, then it will go to court and be thrown out easily as unconstitutional.

marcinmin 17 pts

If a state wants to use voter id, they need to provide id's free of charge. If a person doesn't drive, such as an elderly or visually impaired person, and has to pay for an id just to vote, that is essentially a poll tax, and that is wrong. Republicans don't really care about voter fraud. They want to limit the eligibility of voters because they have a better chance of winning when the voter turnout is low. I hope the law catches up to James O'Keefe and his antics.

lljb99 100 pts

O'Keefe has a face only a mother could love. It's his character that's reflected in his eyes, his smirk, his overall demeanor.

wrprintz 32 pts

lljb99 He has a Twink look that Mark Foley might enjoy. There is a tongue for every taste, so let's hope he finds his one true love before his prison stay. Beyond his one true love of being a very poor documentary film maker that is.

vetavet 20 pts

I sure hope that the weight of the law will be thrown at these con artists who are always trying to harm Democrats. These treasonous stunts by O'Keefe and his accomplices are going to hurt them and they should. As usual the republicans don't want to help people who are not wealthy and are not able to find jobs. It is amazing that people do vote for those who will end all social programs that keep the elderly able to survive.

jjpacific21 43 pts

This guy is the complete definition of rightwing douchebag. Typical making a problem up to get the sheep riled up, where no problem exists. My question is since he is on probation does this felony they commited break his probation?

joekuh 324 pts

jjpacific21 You would think that someone on probation should try to stay away from potential felony charges, but evidently...IOKIYAR.

galleryshops 9 pts

I hope these douche bags are prosecuted. They got off easy when they tried to break into the office of the senator in New Orleans. He should have served a few years for that crime but they didn't prosecute him. This is sickening. All he has proven is that he is capable of doing anything. He might murder someone to prove that it can be done. Arrest that Ba***rd and teach him a lesson.

ManinNH 17 pts

As far as voter fraud, maybe we should have extra checks and balances in place since DieBold machines are still being used to count the votes (see Hacking Democracy Documentary). Just a thought...

mtinmo 43 pts

rayfromtheheart I firmly believe each voting machine should have to print a receipt with the names of each person and/or other votes for bonds or initiatives that the voter can verify and then deposit such receipt in a box to be used for any recounts to verify that the machines tally the votes correctly. It would be a small addition to the machines and would help guarantee that the voting machines are not being manipulated.

ManinNH 17 pts

As far as I am concerned, I don't have an issue with showing ID when asked. Don't you get carded to get in a nightclub or purchase alcohol to verify your age at the very least? I know a few people who don't drive but they have personal ID's for age verification as well. How does anyone get by in society without having a picture ID? It's beyond me how this can effect minorities. Anyone care to explain?

I also understand that O'Keefe broke the law with this stunt and maybe shoulda checked that out first.

Ignorance of the Law is no excuse to be a criminal, ask any police officer.

No one but Dr. Paul

Ron Paul 2012

Restore America Now!!!

mdfouru 885 pts

rayfromtheheart 85 year old woman. Doesn't drive. Never needs to verify her age. Born at home in rural Georgia. Can't get a birth certificate and not sure if one even exists. There's one example.

Christopher Gomez 5 pts

mdfoururayfromtheheart The voter ID law in Texas exempts people over the age of 65. So, I suppose this type of fraud could still happen despite the existence of a voter ID law in the state.

chukekle 10 pts

rayfromtheheart You seriously just said you support Ron Paul but you would have no problem with legitimate American citizens without an ID to be denied the constitutional right to vote, you know ID laws would effect people with the RIGHT to vote and even 1 person that has that right stopped by a voter ID law is unconstitutional.

eddyjames1952 6 pts

rayfromtheheart But ignorance of the law is an excuse in voting illegally in Minnesota .I really don't see how voting multiple time or under another name would be.Only if you didn't know you were a felon.

Mr. Britesnide 314 pts

rayfromtheheart

He's in FOURTH PLACE.

Which is pretty much NOWHERE.

sicnarfe2002 11 pts

James O'Keefe is a simple-minded twat who deserves to be taught a lesson in good behavior. Let him cool off his frustrations in Bubba's cell.

londontoad 13 pts

Voter fraud is rare in the US...but if you listen or read what the Republican broadcast, it is a major problem. IT IS NOT. And running a scam doesn't make it so.

Brian Martin 5 pts

how the hell are we the people supposed to trust the system when the system is rigged ,flawed , screwed. walk dawn the street show people the vid , ask them if the government , the the system , or the ballot is rigged to undermine its people.ron paul has never backed down in the time he has been in washington look at his record . to underestimate him would be very stupid . i wil vote ron paul . he is old but but he is strong . he is ignored but that makes people listen . he is persicuted but that is what atracts people like me . we may not have coverage bye the the press but who realy needs the media we have the web , facebook , twitter, all sorts of ways to spreed liberty . trust me they will do every thing to condem our movement including fraud but more will come . more will come to the fire that is liberty . president paul . i love the sound of his name and title , it has a ring to it .

Prefabfan 315 pts

@Brian Martin Do us a afavor; the "whatever the article is about, it means I should vote for Ron Paul" stuff is very obviously concocted. Is there anything about what you read that would make you vote for Barack Obama? NO?!? Then your opinion means nothing; it is just the three card monty of political discussion. No matter what it said, it miraculously means (to you) that Mister Racism and Lies are Us (I don't know who wrote my newsletter) is your guy!!! Don't pretend it is the product of long thought out analysis.

ManinNH 17 pts

Prefabfan@brian

You mentioned the newsletters (again) so I thought I should enlighten you.

www.fox19.com/story/16458700/reality-check-the-name-of-a-mystery-writer-of-one-of-ron-pauls-racist-newsletters?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=6613339

No one but Dr. Paul

Ron Paul 2012

Restore America Now!!!

mdfouru 885 pts

rayfromtheheartPrefabfan@brian

ONE of his racist newsletters. Out of how many dozen?

Besides, it's Fox. Not to be trusted liar network that actually went to court to defend its right to lie to its viewers.

haydesigner 14 pts

Brian Martin … Please learn basic grammar, spelling and punctuation. Otherwise, no one has a clue what the hell you are rambling on about.

emjayay 30 pts

You have to admit that the putting a space before and after the period at the end of each sentence is a bit of creativity you haven't seen before. The lack of capitalization of course has been done before, like by that e e cummings guy.

vetavet 20 pts

Brian Martin

Ron Paul is not going to be the GOP nominee. He is not going to get republicans to support many of his racist and other awful beliefs that are not helpful at all to the American people. Democrats are not going to support him unless they are racist against President Obama.

wrprintz 32 pts

Brian Martin I sure hope that President Dr Paul Jun Il, the greatest Golfer and Gnome Gangster Banana Farmer this world has ever seen, runs!

It is my promise that, even if he does not win the GOP nomination you can count on this LibDem's contribution! Why? Every vote for Ron Paul is one less vote for the GOP nominee from a group of folks who were never going to vote for Obama anyway. He has ZERO chance of winning, but he has 100% chance of being a spoiler.Run Paul, Run! You are bigger than Taft (in sprit), more cranky than Jon Anderson, and more racist than an unreformed George Wallace and Strom Thurmond. Go you Dixicratpublican, Go! Make it one for the History books.

bintalshamsa 6 pts

Brian Martin "Persicuted"? Really? Are you really trying to claim that this rich, white, non-disabled, hetero, Christianist, politician is being persecuted? Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds? Try being a political dissident in China if you want to understand the meaning of persecution. Go to Cuba and advocate for a coup of the Castro brother's administration, if you want to see persecution. Being laughed at by every serious political commentator isn't persecution, buddy. It just isn't. This victimhood status you're going for isn't cute or clever.

Jenny Tripp 6 pts

Uhm - what part of "they're dead" do you not get? This knife can cut both ways. Don't kill the messenger. Nobody wants voter fraud - do they? And it's to the point that NOBODY IN NEW HAMPSHIRE is disputing the truth of the video. Helloooo? It's messed up. You can liek this guy or not, but this is public service. Your vote is worth something, as long as it's not drowned by counterfeits. Just like money.

Bwakfat 2344 pts

Jenny Tripp Apparently it has escaped you that the "dead" part is what disgusts so many. The slimey douche, AKA O'Keefe, pissed on those peoples graves to score a cheap political point. It backfired, (which also escapes you), and showed that if anything, New Hampshire folks know their neighbors.

Did the fact that none of those people had been dead for more than a month or so completely escape you as well? It was an odious prank committed by a no-class scumbag for the edification of brainless and shallow slugs.

Go away, graverobber.

Prefabfan 315 pts

@Jenny Tripp Logic not your strong suit?? The video proves there could be a problem with enough effort; BUT THERE IS NO SIGN at this point that any such problem exists. So you are "curing" a non-existent problem.

castorita 25 pts

Obviously this slimy punk and his buddy Andrew Not-So-Breitbart are racists. They brought down ACORN (which helped low-income and minority people vote) with a fraudulent stunt, and Breitbard went after Shirley Sherrod, a black government employee. Apparently these low-lifes want to disenfranchise voters because they believe only white people like them should be allowed to vote.

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