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Goode: I Fear a Muslim Congress

By Eric Kleefeld - December 21, 2006, 5:46PM

Rep. Virgil Goode (R-VA) gave an interview to Fox News just now to respond to the public outcry against his publicly-voiced fear of a Muslim congressman.

Appearing on Fox's "Your World" program with guest-host David Asman, Goode insisted he does not want to forbid Keith Ellison from using the Koran outright. "But," he said, "I am for restricting immigration so that we don't have a majority of Muslims elected to the United States House of Representatives."

To block the invading hordes, Goode wants to curtail legal immigration for Middle Easterners, and end Diversity Visa programs that were created to increase the immigrants from non-European countries.

Goode chose his words carefully:

David Asman: So you do believe there're too many Middle Easterners here now?
(brief pause)

Rep. Virgil Goode: No, I — I said there were — and the Diversity Visa program needs to be ended. It shouldn't have been adopted to begin with, in my opinion.

Asman: But do you think there are too many Middle Easterners in the United States right now?

(brief pause)

Goode: Uh — I'm not gonna say 'yes' or 'no' on that. I'd like to know the exact number. I don't have the exact numbers.

Comments (47)

Old Atlantic wrote on December 21, 2006 6:15 PM:

Each person is limited to how far they can state the truth beyond the PC boundary. It falls off like the tail of the Gaussian distribution.

Goode has gone well over his limit of truth telling, which is why the PC-pecking hunters are after him.

PC: a method by which all liberals keep all people in a state of fear. (modified from Firing Line debate)

Redshift wrote on December 21, 2006 6:27 PM:

Funny thing, OA, how conservatives call it "civility" whenever they're being criticized, but "PC" whenever they can't get away with bigotry.

"PC" may have been invented by some misguided liberals, but it's been kept alive by conservatives who declare that it's only the oppressive "PC" that prevents them from telling ethnic jokes, declaring some religions unfit for Congress. It isn't. I know when "PC" was created, and long before that decent people knew that bigotry and prejudice were unacceptable, and people (including high government officials) lost their jobs for making ethnic slurs.

Korano wrote on December 21, 2006 6:31 PM:

Get a cross and a bible and join OLD Atlantic in defending this country from the swarthy invading hordes.
Dare to join in unabashed TRUTH TELLING in the face of liberal PC fear mongering.
Separate OUR Christian Nation from us… NEVER!
Jesus just told me that we are right! Yippee! I can stop thinking now! Whew that was a strain!

fartsinsleep wrote on December 21, 2006 6:58 PM:

Just because I loath Muslims fundies who fear women to such a point where they will kill them to maintain some twisted sense of honor, doesn't mean I'm going to embrass the rantings of a mouthbreathing, knuckle dragging, cousin loving, born again Christian fundie...who undoubtly fears women as much as that heathen muslim does.
How about this...A POX ON BOTH YOUR HOUSES!

james risser wrote on December 21, 2006 7:19 PM:

a side-comment on the term 'pc'... the first time i recall it being used widely was by newt gingrich in the early 90s to characterize discourse to his left...

ruddiger wrote on December 21, 2006 7:35 PM:

Mr. Goode (rhymes with NOODlebrain) conveniently overlooks the fact that if a candidate, whether Muslim, Christian, or mail-order-ordained, gets elected to any governmental body, it is the will of the electorate, a result of the people voting for that candidate no matter the race, creed, or color of the people voting. I myself fear the election of more bigoted idiots like Mr. Goode, so maybe the right to vote of Virginians should be suspended...

Anonymous wrote on December 21, 2006 8:16 PM:

I fear getting hit by a meteor. I think a Muslim congress is less likely in my lifetime.

David wrote on December 21, 2006 9:06 PM:

Among the facts overlooked by Goode: Ellison is, as the NPR reporter tonight put it, "an immigrant from Detroit."

Old Atlantic wrote on December 21, 2006 9:18 PM:

""PC" may have been invented by some misguided liberals, "

From wiki

begin quote

The contemporary use of the term political correctness is said to derived from Marxist-Leninist vocabulary to describe the Party Line. [1]

The term was transformed and used jokingly within the Left by the early 1980s, possibly earlier. [citation needed] In this context, the phrase was applied to either an over-commitment to various left-wing political causes, especially within Marxism or the feminist movement; or to a tendency by some of those dedicated to these causes to be more concerned with rhetoric and vocabulary than with substance.

end quote

Only those who have stood up for the Danish Cartoonists, and all others in hiding in Western
or Muslim lands for speaking the truth have a moral right to call Goode, Pat Buchanan or anyone else a bigot.

All those in the MSM, or Democratic Party or Clinton Administration who called Pat Buchanan a bigot for saying restrict immigration then in the 1996 Clinton Dole presidential race should apologize to the 9-11 families. They knew on 9-11, that their words had cost the 3000 people their lives.

The MSM, Clinton and Bush teams then pre-emptively used PC language to frighten the 9-11 families from questioning why immigration continued after the WTC 1993 attack by Muslim immigrants. This goes on and we are watching the same techniques used on 9-11 on TV and afterwards against the 9-11 Families on Virgil Goode.

RP wrote on December 21, 2006 9:32 PM:

OA is a bigot -- plain and simple. 9/11 did not happen because of diversity. But, we are down to lowest arguments to support moron Goode. He's a bigot, he's been caught, but OA can't give it up. Bush has wrecked America, not diversity. Remember that OA. They should have done a better screening on the Mayflower or however the Bush's got here, because clearly incompetence this great could have been seen in his ancestors.

Old Atlantic wrote on December 21, 2006 9:59 PM:

Now that you bring up diversity, Robert Putnam of Harvard has done a study of diversity. Diversity reduces trust not just between groups but even within groups.

Men's median wages are lower than they were in 1973 due to the 1965 Immigration Act. That might have something to do with it too.

Black men's labor participation rate has fallen from 1960 to 2006 and prison incarceration rates gone up dramatically. See Steve Sailer at Vdare for that and Borjas of Harvard.

Maybe even 9-11 and all the coverups and shouting bigot after each terrorist incident instead of stopping immigration also pushes trust down.

VitalCenter wrote on December 21, 2006 10:01 PM:

There is a minority in America - a LOUD minority that seeks to undermine a Constitution that they've never read. So, for our LOUD, fundamentalist friends:

Amendment I - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I am a Christian. I have had several friends that practice the Islamic wisdom tradition in my lifetime. To a man, they have been moderate, peaceful, passionate, loving, ethically-grounded, and wonderfully devoted to their faith. They have also roundly condemned violence, saying that "jihad" is about the battle against the demons within us that block our relationship with God/Allah.

We are uniquely positioned to DEMONSTRATE (via our actions) the principles of this republic, this "shining city on a hill." We can, as would be the intent of our founding fathers, defend the rights of our Muslim citizens to practice their faith without fear - THUS demonstrating to the world that "we the people" practice the principles that for which we have so vigorously and courageously fought for generations.

Not lynching African-Americans or publicly condemning those that do not practice the majority faith in our society is not "PC." It is the American thing to do.

And, make no mistake, the tactless and bigoted missive distributed by Congressman Goode is, more than anything else, an ANTI-American statement that offers a foreboding preview of the America in which we might live if we allow fear to hand the terrorists a victory. They've already beaten Congressman Goode, who would gladly throw over the Constitution so that he might rest peacefully in the knowledge that all his neighbors attend the same church.

Let us signify our refusal to bow to fear by welcoming an Islamic Congressman and celebrating his right to ceremonially swear in with his hand on the Koran - AND by using our First Amendment rights to condemn the statements of Congressman Goode while referring him to a copy of the Constitution.

Old Atlantic wrote on December 21, 2006 10:12 PM:

Amendment I - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791.

From wiki Caliphate

quote

The Caliphate (Arabic خلافة Khilafah) is an Islamic federal government which represents political leadership and unity of the Muslim world (Ummah) applying Islamic law (Shariah). The Caliph is the term for the head of state and it is the only form of government sanctioned in traditional Islamic theology.

end quote

The US first Amendment violates Islam. Islam has the unification of religion and state.

Muhammed and the Caliphs were head of religion and head of state in one person.

The Koran was written in 656 AD during the Caliphate and under its direction.

From wiki on Qu'ran

quote

When at the Battle of Yamama in 633 AD a number of Muslims were killed it was feared that part of the revelations might be lost. Therefore, Abu Bakr, the first Muslim leader after Muhammad's death, asked Zaid ibn Thabit to collect all the different writing materials on which the Quran was written down.

end quote

This may be too subtle to miss. 633 AD is when Islam as a unified state and religion single entity attacked the Eastern Roman Empire, the Western superpower, which was Christian and Jewish. The reason they had to write down the Koran was because by attacking the West they were losing their own men in battle. So they had to write down the Koran between conquests.

It was finished in 656 AD while they were occupying provinces of the Eastern Roman Empire they had conquered. The Caliphs made sure the Koran commanded Muslims to do everything they had done from the attack on the Eastern Roman Empire and to Christians and Jews, everything they were doing and everything they might want to do.

After they wrote it they went back to conquering more provinces of the Roman Empire, and killing and genociding Christians, Jews, Hindus and others. That has continued to the present day. They wrote it in 656 AD to command Muslims to do all those things. That was the intended use because they were in occupation and wanted to keep conquering, which they did. The people doing the conquering were in control of the writing of the Koran.

That covers everything up to and after 9-11.

The security code for this entry is fear, how appropriate. Islam if used as intended by Muslims is supposed to create fear in all non-Muslims everywhere.

cvllelaw wrote on December 21, 2006 10:25 PM:

Wow.

I had no idea.

"Men's median wages are lower than they were in 1973 due to the 1965 Immigration Act. ... Black men's labor participation rate has fallen from 1960 to 2006 and prison incarceration rates gone up dramatically."

All because of immigration? You mean it doesn't have anything to do with inflation, or budget deficits, or free-trade treaties with folks who sell their goods to us below their average cost, or the influx of crack, or the increase in prison time for crack users, or the social dislocations from urban renewal?

Those are the usual explanations offered for the failure of real wages to keep up, or the increase in incarceration rates for black men.

And OA -- just so you'll know -- I DID stand up for the Danish cartoonists, and my contributions to Amnesty International have supported efforts to help those being persecuted in Muslim countries, so I guess I am permitted to say -- Virgil Goode is a bigot. I know him. I have followed his political career, beginning when he was a populist liberal Democrat in 1973 because that was how the wind was blowing then, to when he became a conservative Democrat in the 1980's because that was how the wind was blowing then, to when he became an Independent in 2000 because he was promised a seat on the Appropriations Committee, to when he became a Republican in 2002 because otherwise the Republicans were going to redistrict him out of his seat.

Virgil has been a bigot and a xenophobe for as long as he has been in politics. And since he graduated from law school in May, 1973, and was elected to the Virginia Senate in November, 1973, that means all of his adult life.

Michael wrote on December 21, 2006 10:25 PM:

Please cite any country that has at least 10% Muslim population that does not have civil unrest. Also, you will remember that the Koran commands Muslims to lie to non-believers amongst other things. Do we really believe a Koranimal will support the Constitution over their holy book. Fat chance. And this is from a Canadian in British Columbia.

PacAnt wrote on December 21, 2006 10:28 PM:

We should provide the best environment for, not only Muslims, but all Americans to practice their faith without fear.

You can't punish the whole of the Muslim community for the acts of a few extremists.

If you're worried about terrorism, I can only tell you this as a man who holds tightly his faith.

If you're going to go, you're going to go.
One way or another, simple as that.

Old Atlantic wrote on December 21, 2006 10:42 PM:

"Wow.

I had no idea."

Because MSM doesn't tell you the truth about immigration any more than Islam. See Jihad Watch for the latter, and Lou Dobbs and Vdare for the former.

"Those are the usual explanations offered for the failure of real wages to keep up, or the increase in incarceration rates for black men."

Borjas has done a study on precisely the impact of immigration on economic opportunity of Black men and precisely on their incarceration rates. You can go to his webpage at Harvard and download it.

"Immigration and African-American Employment Opportunities: The Response of Wages, Employment, and Incarceration to Labor Supply Shocks" September 2006.

You probably didn't hear of this Harvard study, praised by Greg Mankiw (you know who he is right?) on Mankiw's blog.

The link by my name has links to Borjas and to Vdare. Search Vdare Borjas for a layman's guide.

Old Atlantic wrote on December 21, 2006 10:53 PM:

“Immigration and African-American Employment Opportunities: The Response of Wages, Employment, and Incarceration to Labor Supply Shocks” September 2006.
from George J. Borjas, Jeffrey Grogger, Gordon H. Hanson

“The employment rate of black men, and particularly of low-skill black men, fell precipitously from 1960 to 2000. At the same time, the incarceration rate of black men rose markedly. This paper examines the relation between immigration and these trends in black employment and incarceration. Using data drawn from the 1960-2000 U.S. Censuses, we find a strong correlation between immigration, black wages, black employment rates, and black incarceration rates. As immigrants disproportionately increased the supply of workers in a particular skill group, the wage of black workers in that group fell, the employment rate declined, and the incarceration rate rose. Our analysis suggests that a 10-percent immigrant-induced increase in the supply of a particular skill group reduced the black wage by 3.6 percent, lowered the employment rate of black men by 2.4 percentage points, and increased the incarceration rate of blacks by almost a full percentage point.”

See link on my name for link to source.

The security code is nose, again how appropriate.

Old Atlantic wrote on December 21, 2006 11:21 PM:

Back to the Koran and oath taking. The Koran was written down because on a battlefield in 633 AD, a battle of Islam as a single political-military-religious entity's choice, some of its soldiers died, and they had bits of Muhammed's sayings memorized.

So they started writing them down. By 656 AD they had a version. By that time they had conquered provinces of the Eastern Roman Empire and were occupying them.

So they got it from people off the battlefield from 633 AD. That makes is a battle field manual. The Koran is the battle field manual of the attack on the Christian and Jewish Eastern Roman Empire, the Western Superpower, from 633 AD onwards.

So taking the oath on the Koran is like taking an oath during WWII on the German Army's Battle Field Manual, in German. A Congressman who wanted to do that in 1944, or even 1947, would not have been allowed to take his seat.

The Koran is the battle field manual of the attack of the single unitary religious-military-political entity Islam on the Western superpower in a battlefield of the war in 633 AD on the Western Superpower.

We are the Western Superpower. So the Koran is the battle field manual of the war on us. That war has had as recent battles, the 1979 embassy attack in Iran, the 1993 WTC attack, the 1998 embassy attacks, the 2000 Cole attack, the 9-11 WTC and Pentagon attacks. Note that 2 of those attacks were on embassies.

Our Congressmen should not take an oath of the battle field manual of what is attacking us. Its what attacked us in 633 AD, the Christian Jewish Western Superpower, and on 9-11 2001 AD, the Christian Jewish Western Superpower. That's us.

And if you want to include Hindus and anyone else, Islam's been attacking them too.

Doug Griffith wrote on December 22, 2006 12:25 AM:

wow, that actually wasn;t a bad job on the interviewing there. hard to believe it was on fox. the questions where decent and follwoed up on. now he didn't really answer any of them, but he was pressed somewhat, expecially compared to the cheerleading that usually goes on there.

not real familiar with Mr. Asman, but i'd guess he;s due for a stern talking to from the bosses.

Old Atlantic wrote on December 22, 2006 12:38 AM:

All because of immigration? You mean it doesn't have anything to do with inflation, or budget deficits,

Inflation as a cause of median wage changes (after adjusting for inflation) over a 30+ time interval is not causal for any economic theory I am aware of. Nor for labor force participation rate of a segment like Black men.

Some of your other variables can have a causal role, of course.

My security code word is rate, which seems appropriate for this note.

rmrd0000 wrote on December 22, 2006 12:40 AM:

Old Atlantic qoutes
Immigration and African-American Employment Opportunities: The Response of Wages, Employment, and Incarceration to Labor Supply Shocks” September 2006.
from George J. Borjas, Jeffrey Grogger, Gordon H. Hanson

I am certain that if you look at immigration in isolation without considering outsourcing of jobs, the removal of males from poor households to receive government benefits, education systems that have poor facilities in lower income neighborhoods leading to poor preparation for jobs and work, as well as a host of other factors that have to be taken into account. If a given community had 30%, the incarceration rate would increase by 3%, much lower than the incarceration rate in poor urban areas. There are bigger influences on the state of the economy in poor Black neighborhoods.
This is a somewhat diversionary tactic.
In truth, I doubt that Old Atlantic cares that much about Black wage earners or Latino wage earners. It's a classic tactic to get two groups at the lower end of the economic spectrum to fight over crumbs. Muslims are bad, immigrants (read Latinos) are bad. Diversity leads to a lack of trust. No Muslims, No Blacks, No Lations. Are Jews allowed? Are White Catholics allowed? Are White atheists allowed? I'm not even going to ask about Gays.
I wonder who is left after the cleansing so Old Atlantic can trust his neighbors?

H. Namdar wrote on December 22, 2006 3:09 AM:

I'm confused, if an elected official is a believer of a particular religion, regardless of the religion, then shouldn't he/she swear on the holy book of that religion to uphold the law and honor the constitution? If the person is forced to swear by the holy book of the majority and not necessarily his/her own, then wouldn't that potentially set the grounds for not upholding the law to the best of the person's ability, simply by the person justifying in their (twisted religious) mind that they really did not swear on their own holy book? Not familiar with the whole procedure.

Nonetheless, organized religion is obviously the poison to any society, and Goode's statements is just further proof of this old adage. In order to get his name on the front page by utilizing effort and taxpayer money on innovation, with regards to the economy, healthcare, and education, Goode has instead chosen the endless path of useless bickering by focusing on yet a new source of friction. Goode needs to shut his yapper and get on with the business of the country. Such silly statements divide society, not unite. Hopefully when Goode took his oath on his holy bible, his intent was to unite. If not, he needs to step aside.

PL wrote on December 22, 2006 5:35 AM:

Goode doesn't seem to know how his own institution works -- new members are sworn in en masse in the House chamber by raising their right hand -- no Bibles, Torahs, Korans, Diamond Sutras, Tao Te Chings, or any other of the scriptures of the world's 20,000 plus religions. The sacred texts are just an optional part of the photo ops after the ceremony when photos are taken one on one with the Speaker for constituents back home.

brantgirl4 wrote on December 22, 2006 7:13 AM:

Goode does not impress me as a smart man. He spoke carefully in his interview but if you read his letter, it's clear that he's embracing a strong anti-muslim position. (Is the real immigration problem the threat of an Islamic congress? I don't think so - he's using bigotry to promote his views.)

As for Ellison, the muslim representative, he can trace his American heritage back to the mid-1700's. He converted to Islam in college and he's as American as they come. Changes to the immigration laws would have no impact on his candidacy or political career.

Leila Abu-Saba wrote on December 22, 2006 7:17 AM:

Rep. Goode, sixty percent of all ARAB-AMERICANS are Christians.

I claim that swarthy firebrand with a funny name, Yesu'a ibn Yussef, as one of the menacing Middle Easterners Goode fears. (Translation: Jesus son of Joseph, for the morons among you)

This meme that Islam is about destroying the WEst is a proto-fascist movement that threatens to destroy this country. Americans who love freedom must stand up to it.

ghostscript wrote on December 22, 2006 8:01 AM:

Juan Cole has a great response to Mr. Goode on his website:
www.juancole.com

including quotes from George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, and this quote from the Adam's administration treaty with Libya:

"The US Senate, full of founding fathers, and the Adams government, approved the Treaty with Libya of 1797, which included this language:
'As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.'

The treaty is important for showing the mindset of the fashioners of the American system."

It seems that the right is not interested in the history of our nation, nor in its ideals. But that's not news to anyone, is it?

PT wrote on December 22, 2006 9:28 AM:

This thread has amused me no end. It's evident, from OA's many posts that bullshit also has a gaussian distribution. His initial claims as a bona fide analyst of 'truth' are undermined by his conclusions, which are essentially leaps of faith; from Borjas et al he imputes cause (black unemployment is due to immigration) from the authors' explicitly stated 'correlations' and 'suggestions', and from his play dough-like molding of the 1600 year old creation of the Koran he magically extracts the battle plans of contemporary Islam and all its adherents. OA obviously has a source of wisdom from which he has received the conclusions he's arrived at from such sparse evidence. His rants are a perfect exemplar of the pitfalls of received wisdom in general, particularly wisdom drawn from 'holy' books.

PJGoober wrote on December 22, 2006 10:20 AM:

Thank god someone has some common sense. Any country that wasn't insane would have ended all muslim immigration the day of September 11th.

PJGoober wrote on December 22, 2006 10:23 AM:

ghostscript, I seemed to have missed the part in that treaty with libya where they called for mass immigration of muslims. It is a really stupid concept to equate good relations and lack of enmity with a completely one sided obligation on our part to let muslims immigrate come hell, high water, or september 11th.

pt wrote on December 22, 2006 10:39 AM:

PJG says:
It is a really stupid concept to equate good relations and lack of enmity with a completely one sided obligation on our part to let muslims immigrate come hell, high water, or september 11th.

But isn't it also a pretty "stupid concept" to equate non-discriminatory immigration ploicies with a "one sided obligation on our part to let muslims immigrate come hell, high water, or september 11th."

Devoid of logic, such argumentation illustrates perfectly why the US continually places way down the list in international educational attainment surveys.

POLARIS wrote on December 22, 2006 10:42 AM:

OA - you're an idiot. A representative of the United States government cannot have those opinions. He should resign

eric wrote on December 22, 2006 11:06 AM:

Ok OA: listen up. I am personally convinced, after reading a lot of this commentary, that you are wrong and pretty much a bigot. But you see, here's the thing: Keith Ellison was elected by me and others here in Minneapolis. We like Keith. He is a good person and, in my view will represent us well. He is OUR congressional representative, not yours. We elected him and have no problem with Keith's faith. Many find it refreshing, actually. But most of all, it is not an issue.

Your view of who should be elected can be reflected in your choice for congress in *your* district, (I am guessing somwhere in southern Ohio).

Matthew wrote on December 22, 2006 11:33 AM:

Michael referred to Muslims as "Koranimals." Oh, hell, I guess the KKK--and the Republican National Committee--is making inroads in Canada too.

Josh wrote on December 22, 2006 1:00 PM:

OA's assumption about the Koran being a "battle field manual" implies that absolutely anything written on the battlefield during a time of war is a battle manual.

This is of course ridiculous.

Soldiers write letters home to their loved ones. Are those to be considered "battle field manuals"?

What about news dispatches?
What about personal journals?
What about song lyrics and poetry? (which many soldiers during Vietnam wrote, both pro- and anti-war)
What about printed menus in mess halls?

It is obvious that these things are not, as he states, "battle field manuals." Therefore, the Koran, unless it talks in some small detail about proper tactics for flanking with cavalry, is not a battle field manual. His entire argument is proven false because his initial assumption is incorrect.

Aladdin wrote on December 22, 2006 1:13 PM:

This story helps to illuminate the general ignorance regarding Arabs and Muslims.

Only about 20& of all Muslims in the world are Arabs.

And close to 75% or Arab Americans are Christian.

So "Muslims" and "people from the Middle East" are not synonyms. Not even close.

Darren7160 wrote on December 22, 2006 4:53 PM:

Can we make a law outlawing congressmen who sound as if they are English as a second language?

I would love the references for the Quran being written on a battlefield... if someone could send me a source... er... besides some buddy sitting at the next barstool?

Again... considering this Rep. Goode's response as to why the 10 commandments was on the wall and not a copy of the Quran.. he, like all bullies decided to degnigrate and humiliate the student... I guess he only represents Christians?

Do you all have ANY IDEA HOW MANY MUSLIMS WOULD HAVE TO BE IN AMERICA FOR CONGRESS TO BECOME MUSLIM DOMINATE? He is a pandering to his redneck constitutients.

And yes. I am aware that "redneck" is stereotypical and not "pc" for a liberal to say.

Kurt wrote on December 22, 2006 6:46 PM:

"Please cite any country that has at least 10% Muslim population that does not have civil unrest.

How about Qatar? Bahrain? Malaysia is reasonably stable. If you want to talk about instability, we could talk about Northern Ireland or the Catholic nations in Central America during the 1980s wherein destabalized by Christian social-conservative presidents like Reagan.

Mikey, behave or you're not going to be let out of the asylum on day trips any more. ;-)

As for Old Atlantic, if you're going to argue that the Quran is a battle field manual, well, there are a few choice parts of the Torah/Old Testement you might be interested in reading....

A Canadian from Alberta

Kurt wrote on December 22, 2006 6:49 PM:

"Michael referred to Muslims as "Koranimals." Oh, hell, I guess the KKK--and the Republican National Committee--is making inroads in Canada too."

We do our best to keep them in line up here. Our social-conservatives don't have the same power as yours do because most Canadians think they're a bunch of wingnuts. Even most conservatives wish the fundies would just shut up. Occassionally, however, one makes an ass out of himself.

ALEX ROMERO wrote on December 22, 2006 7:28 PM:

ANYONE NOTICE THAT THE MODERATOR, DAVID ASMAN, STATES THAT IT IS PRESIDENT CLINTON (!!!!) THAT LET IN TOO MANY MIDDLE EASTERNERS.

I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO BLAME CLINTON.
ALEX

Agjobs wrote on December 23, 2006 11:14 AM:

As a rural Christian liberal (yes we do exist) I am very happy that we have a Muslim Congressman. It means that Democracy does work in America. Let the bigots like Goode, Prager, ect go ahead and show their ignorance. The American people saw through their spin on Nov. 7, and will continue to do so. I don't want them to apologize, I want them to continue to show their true colors. If the evangelical christians in the 109th congress had done a good job, or any kind of job in regards to governance they would have been re-elected. Instead let them stew in their own failures and let their ignorance show so they do not return to power. My favorite is still Glen Beck's question to Keith Ellison. I welcome the diversity that Mr. Ellison brings to Congress. If fat rich christian white guys want to govern the country they have to earn the right. Like Mr. Ellison did.

Joe wrote on December 25, 2006 11:49 PM:

Should all the air-port have the space for all the difference religion ?

glaxy wrote on January 25, 2007 1:52 PM:

y we always talk about the muslim terorists and the semptember11.Cant we see the american cruelty in iraq palestine and lebanon.America is responsible for the destruction of iraq.America attacked on iraq for getting oil.i think september11 is the revenge of muslims from american terrorists like bush and his bloody father.

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BENQ P50 $120
ETEN M600 $140
ETEN G500 $130
AND MANY MORE PHONES IN STOCK,
APPLE IPOD NANO PRICE LIST

Apple iPod nano Media Player 2GB $90USD
Apple iPod nano Media Player 4GB $120
Apple iPod nano Media Player 6GB $150

X BOX 360 PRICE LIST
MICROSOFT XBOX 360 $160USD
Xbox 360 Core System $130
Xbox 360 Platinum System $120
Xbox 360 Platinum Bundle Console $120

PLASTATIONS
playstation 1 $70USD
playstation 2 $85
playstation 3 $110

LAPTOP
All Toshiba laptops
Toshiba Satellite PRO L10 $300USD
Toshiba M200 $450
Toshiba R100 $400
Toshiba Qosmio E10 $600
Toshiba Satellite PRO L20 $200
Toshiba M100 $550
Toshiba M300 $610
Toshiba Portege A200 $280
Toshiba Satellite L10 $300
Toshiba Qosmio F20 $450

Dell Laptops
Dell Latitude D600 $220USD
Dell Latitude D500 $200
Dell Inspiron 6000 $300
Dell Latitude D505 $310
Dell Latitude D610 $400
Dell Latitude D510 $280
Dell Inspiron 9300 $460

Sony Laptops
Sony VAIO VGN-T1 $600USD
Sony VAIO VGN-FS315 $380
Sony VAIO VGN-S3 $400
Sony VAIO VGN-TX1 $700
Sony VAIO VGN-FS215 $280
Sony VAIO VGN-S4 $400
Sony VAIO PCG-K35 $480

DIGITAL CAMERA
Acer cs-5530 digital camera=$150
Canon ixus 700 digital camera= $200
Canon ixus 750 digital camera =$160
Canon ixus i zoom digital camera (jet black)=$210
Canon ixus i zoom digital camera (Sahara)=$200
Canon power shot s80 digital camera = $220
Casio exilim ex-s500 digital camera (orange, )= $230
Digital blue qx5 digital microscope= $170
Fuji film finepix f10 digital camera =$150
Nikon d2x digital camera (body only)=$140
Olympus fe-100 digital camera =$150

PLASMA TV
Sony KDE-55XBR950 55 Inch HDTV WEGA Plasma TV $500USD
Panasonic TH-42PX50U–Special Panasonic TH-42PWD8UK $980
Sony KDE-55XBR950 55 Inch HDTV WEGA Plasma TV $500
Samsung HP-R6372 63-Inch $600
Panasonic TH-50PHD8UK– $560
Panasonic TH-42PHD8UK $700
Pioneer PDP-5060HD $800
Pioneer PDP-4360HD $900
Panasonic TH-50PX50U $600
Panasonic TH-42PD50U $700
Pioneer PDP-42A3HD $900
Philips 50PF9830A/37 $900
Sony FWD-42PV1 Plasma TV $500
Sony KE-42M1 Plasma TV $580
Sony PFM-42X1 Plasma TV $600
Sony KDE-42XS955 Plasma TV $700
Sony FWD-50PX1 Plasma TV $750
Sony KDE-50XS955 Plasma TV $680
Samsung HP-R4252 Plasma TV $560
Samsung HP-R5052 Plasma TV $1000
Samsung HP-P5581 Plasma TV $910
Toshiba 42DPC85 Plasma TV $760
Toshiba 42HPX95 Plasma TV $880
Toshiba 50HP95 Plasma TV $750:
Toshiba 50HPX95 Plasma TV $900
NEC 42XM3 Plasma TV $700
NEC 42XR3 Plasma TV $500
NEC 50XM4 Plasma TV $780
NEC 50XR4 Plasma TV $900
NEC 61XM3 Plasma TV $560
NEC 61XR3 Plasma TV $500
NEC 84VP4 Plasma TV $690
Pioneer PDP-424MV $756
Panasonic TH-50PHD8UK $560
Pioneer PDP-5060HD $800
Pioneer PDP-4360HD $900
Panasonic TH-50PX50U $600
Panasonic TH-42PD50U $700
Pioneer PDP-42A3HD $900
Philips 50PF9830A/37 $900
Sony FWD-42PV1 $500
Sony KE-42M1 $580
Sony PFM-42X1 $600
Sony KDE-42XS955 $700
Sony FWD-50PX1 $750
Sony KDE-50XS955 $680
Samsung HP-R4252 $560
Samsung HP-R5052 $1000
Samsung HP-P5581 $910
Toshiba 42DPC85 $760
Toshiba 42HPX95 $880
Toshiba 50HP95 $750
Toshiba 50HPX95 $900
NEC 42XM3 $700
NEC 42XR3 $500
NEC 50XM4 $780
NEC 50XR4 $900
NEC 61XM3 $560
NEC 61XR3 $500
NEC 84VP4 $690
PIONEER
Pioneer PDP-424MV $756
Pioneer PDP-42A3HD $600
Pioneer PDP-434CMX $500
Pioneer PDP-43A5HD $560
Pioneer PDP-4360HD $700
Pioneer PDP-504CMX $600
Pioneer PDP-505CMX $500
Pioneer PDP-5060HD $700
Pioneer PDP-614MX $780
Pioneer DP-42A3HD $600
Pioneer PDP-434CMX $500
Pioneer PDP-43A5HD $560
Pioneer PDP-4360HD $700
Pioneer PDP-504CMX $600
Pioneer PDP-505CMX $500
Pioneer PDP-5060HD $700
Pioneer PDP-614MX $780
INTERESTED BUYER SHOULD CONTACT US
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steve james wrote on March 10, 2007 9:23 AM: