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Old Atlantic wrote on December 22, 2006 11:19 AM:

"Surely, on this holiday eve, there is one Republican who wants to speak publicly for goodwill towards others, even if they're Muslim."

Surely, on this holiday eve, there is one Democrat who wants to speak publicly for goodwill towards others, even if they tell the truth about 9-11, the hijackers shouldn't have been here, we should have stopped immigration after:

WTC 1993 Attack

1996 Bojinka Plot

1998 Embassy bombings

1998 bin Laden Fatwa

2000 Cole Attack

Aug 6 2001 PDB

9-11 2001

Dano wrote on December 22, 2006 11:34 AM:

Goode has violated his oath of office to uphole the Constitution. He clearly has no understanding of the ideals on which this country was founded. He should be, at the minimum, censured, or more fittingly, be removed from office. He's not fit to seve this country.

FrogDaddy wrote on December 22, 2006 11:35 AM:

Surely someone needs to ask Ellison from Minnesota if he would prefer Sharia Law instead of our Constitution. Anyone that has an opinion or speaks truth gets the usual "bigot" lable.
But you never hear arguments that speak to what Goode said. There needs to be discussion on this.
The Islamic Fascists hide behind their "religion of peace" title but never speak out about Saudi Arabia and other Islamists lopping heads off. That's hipocracy. CAIR will be exposed and will continue to be confronted for what they hide behind. They are going to continue this by testing our system and taking advantage of it. Whether it's Imamms on airlines or other staged public probings by our enemy. I'm glad to speak to this religion without fear because there isn't a day that goes by that someone is dying because of this religion. It's a scourge on our planet and hopefully we won't learn the hard way.

global citizen wrote on December 22, 2006 11:39 AM:

I for one am sick of your racist crap, Old Atlantic. Would you suggest deporting everyone who came? Since when? Ellison dates his roots to the 18th century, is that far enough back for you? And Merry Christmas.

Old Atlantic wrote on December 22, 2006 11:40 AM:

Good post Frog Daddy.

Some think the flying imams are meant to test our security and to make us give it up, and even make it illegal. Some think this or other incidents were a dry run.

Before 9-11, the schools where the hijackers trained were afraid to be called bigots if they turned them in. Some did anyhow, but the FBI had the same problem, especially at the top.

"hopefully we won't learn the hard way." that those who call us bigots were against us in the first place.

Those who call our champions bigots were against us in the first place.

Those who call truth tellers bigots were against us in the first place, and this is the truth they don't want told the most.

Marc wrote on December 22, 2006 11:43 AM:

Thanks for informing us of which Dems have spoken against this abomination and pointing out the GOP's shameful silence.

The Jewish group that spoke up must be commended. Perhaps I missed the name of the organization in the linked articles. Can you provide it, Justin?

Mike on his Foreign Policyblog points out the irony of Goode's stance.

Best,

Marc

Marc wrote on December 22, 2006 11:46 AM:

P.S. I see my poor attempt at inserting html in my previous comment did not pan out. Mikes blog comment is at:

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/2802

Old Atlantic wrote on December 22, 2006 11:47 AM:

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I for one am sick of your racist crap, Old Atlantic. Would you suggest deporting everyone who came? Since when? Ellison dates his roots to the 18th century, is that far enough back for you? And Merry Christmas.
Posted by: global citizen

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Virgil Goode brought up the issue of stopping immigration. Why do you conflate stopping immigration with deporting? Because to stop it is to admit it was wrong. That is why you switch from stopping immigration to deporting. In your heart, you know they shouldn't have been allowed in.

Crying bigot is the last refuge of those who are wrong.

My security code is shoe. We have to take off our shoes because of the shoe bomber, who was, gasp, Muslim. He thought he was acting on the basis of Islam, and Islamic courts world wide tend to support that view. We have to decide if we want to stop things getting worse before America is Lebanon or wait until its Iraq.

How tired of racism will you be when America is in civil war like France already is? The racism that shoots you, bombs you, shoe bombs you, takes you hostage, asks for ransom, doesn't let you put Cartoons where you want, is the real bigotry. They wrote it down in a book, its called the Koran.

Darren7160 wrote on December 22, 2006 11:54 AM:

There are many Muslims that are not terrorists, nor do they wish for sharia. There are extremists in all camps... want to check out Westboro Baptist Church?

Discriminating against a person based on their religion is just plain old wrong. Period. When ACTIONS of people who profess a faith are mentioned the whole faith seems to get swept into the mix. Instead of reasonable discourse, it is guilt by association.

Whether or not an elected member of Congress is "allowed" to take the oath of office using the book of his faith is absurd. It presupposes that anyone has any power to a) stop him or b) he needs permission. Our right to our religion is a right! It is NOT a privelege.

Wouldn't it be a "Sharia" for a Christian nation to demand that all people worship and live like they do? Or, is that just too darn inconvenient to ponder?

Democrats and "Libs" fully understand that there are terrorists who want to kill us and/or destroy our way of life. We whole heartedly agree with dealing with those people.

Where we draw that line is when:
1) Geography is used to define a terrorist... Oh, Iraq is in that whole area so they must be supporting terrorists.
2) Religion is used to define terrorists... will a Muslim support America? Look at Turkey since they fought with us in Korea. 50 years a NATO member... but still not western enough for entrance into the EU.
3) Lies, stereotypes and misinformation are used to cause fear among the American people for political purposes that divide our nation.

Really, how close are we... how comfortable would you be to forcing Muslims to wear a Crescent on their clothing? Refusing to allow American Muslims to vite? Rounding up all legal immigrants who are Muslim and deporting them based just on their religion?

There are terrible people who want to do terrible things... one side uses God to justify their behavior, the other uses "patriotism" and fear to justify theirs.

Ed wrote on December 22, 2006 12:14 PM:

And we should stop Irish immigration because of IRA terrorism.

German immigration because of neo-nazi terrorism.

Spanish & French terrorism becaise of Basque terrorism.

Canadian immigration because of Quebecqois terrorism.

Indian immigration because of Hindu terrorism.

Japanese immigration because of Aum Shinrikyo terrorism.

Christian immigration because anti-abortion terrorism.

Conservative immigration because of militia terrorism.

Liberal immigration because of Weatherman terrorism.

Damn! Seems like there are terrorists all over the world. Maybe we should just barricade ourselves on our houses and quiver in fear?

Or maybe we could target the extremists.

Old Atlantic wrote on December 22, 2006 12:21 PM:

The Koran is written as war propaganda. It was written in 656 AD. It commands Muslims to fight non-Muslims and conquer the world. That's what it says.

Religious courts in Islamic countries come to similar rulings on stoning and lashing women, etc.

Muslims believe in the Koran as written by God, every word. In every Muslim land, Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. have been forced out or killed. That is going on today in Lebanon and Bethlehem.

Muslims don't believe in you, they believe in the Koran. Muslims believe in Islam, its not what you believe in.

Liberals have 9-11 guilt. If they stop immigration now, they admit it was wrong after the WTC 93 attacks. They have to admit Pat Buchanan was wright in 1992.

Liberals hate their victims, and they can't admit the truth, which is what stopping immigration is, an admission of truth.

My security coe is loss.

Peter wrote on December 22, 2006 12:32 PM:

Does Timothy McVeigh represnt Christains?
Does UnaBomber represent liberals?
Does Ku Klux Klan represent white population?
Does Hitler represent Europe?
Does Bin Laden represent Moslem?

What does Mr Goode have in common to others?

Ignorance!

Jeff wrote on December 22, 2006 12:38 PM:

My GOD, there are some people out there who have been drinking the koolaid today! Old Atlantic and FrogDaddy, your ideas are a far cry from the truth, and a result of propaganda. Wake up and learn to peacefully coexist with other religeons, or take your hate-speech elsewhere. Thank GOD for free speech, so A$$HOLES like the two of you can spout off jibberish and let people see you for what you REALLY are.

Rick wrote on December 22, 2006 12:41 PM:

I thought I saw Duncan Hunter mumbling support for Goode on one of the tv shows last evening. Hope that gets you home for christmas.

mroom wrote on December 22, 2006 12:44 PM:

Bigotry should be condemned. It should doubly be condemned when it is exhibited in our elected officials. This one is not only a bigot, he's ignorant of the US Constitution, which he swore to uphold. And he swore on his honor, not the bible. Apparently he has a bible but lacks the honor.

Immigration issues existing in the US are not what religion someone practices.

ENZA wrote on December 22, 2006 12:47 PM:

How wonderfully well misinformed we all are.

And this, my favorite, "Muslims believe in the Koran as written by God, every word. In every Muslim land, Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. have been forced out or killed. That is going on today in Lebanon and Bethlehem."

The Imam of the Mosque in Paris, 1940s, issued 100s of false papers to Jews to save them from concentration camps. He went so far as to have a tombstone at the Mosque carved with the name of a Jew to provide him additional cover.

This is true in Algeria other Nor. African countries too. You should research what Muslims did in WWII to protect the Jews in North Africa after the Germans invaded.

As for the "convert or die" misquote that is always brought up. If this were true then explain how it is that the "oldest continuous Jewish and Christian communities" are in land that has been under Muslim rule for 1000 years.

With all of the misinterpretation that the Muslim Fundamentalists are doing, why don't you uninformed and ignornant Xians keep your equally bad misintrepretations to yourselves.

Oh, the oldest, continuously Jewish community was in Baghdad and was doing well until March of 2003 and the arrival of the Americans, and Bethlehem was Christian until it began its population decline in, oh when was it? 1948.

mroom wrote on December 22, 2006 12:48 PM:

Correcting my own typo.

Immigration issues existing in the US are not about what religion someone practices.

BTW, I saw the female of the three stooges on Fox & Friends this morning using a variation of Glenn Beck's comment regarding Goode/Ellison. "He's only stating what must be in the minds of many people."

sami wrote on December 22, 2006 12:49 PM:

OA - Get a grip man. Many Christians believe the Bible to be the word of God. The old testament was written as a set of rules that when not followed resulted in stoning etc etc etc. Most surviving old religious documents go on at length about destroying or converting non-believers. Just as they are Muslims that believe in the more violent tenets of the Quran, there are Christians who believe the corresponding nonsense in the Bible.
Goode's rant, as well as Pat's is isolationist racist puke. How many illegal and legal Ayrabs live in US? What percentage of the US Muslim community is imported and how much home-grown? Isn't it true that the vast majority of both illegal and legal resident aliens are, in fact, from Mexico and Latin America (hardly a bastion of Islam thought)? Aren't most illegal and legal aliens Catholic, well grounded in western Judeo-Christian culture?
To slam immigrants because they represent a threat to western civilization is antithetical to our Constitutional foundation and just wrong to boot - most immigrants are from our own f'ing hemisphere.

Darren7160 wrote on December 22, 2006 12:51 PM:

I cannot speak for other "Libs" but I have no guilt. Nope. None. Why should I feel guild about the '93 World Trade center bombing? Also, the perps were caught... even going so far as to enlisting the help of Pakistan to arrest and extradite one of the people. Hmmm... all legally done. Nice and neat.

Now, when we look at a war in Iraq that was started under, well, shall we say, "questionable" intelligence and motivation that has cause the deaths of thousands of innocent lives in just a 3 year period... there I could, or rather would expect to see some feelings of guilt... but I am not holding my breath.

"Liberals hate their victims"? Please explain this because it makes absolutely no sense what so ever. It does sound neat... fitting for a bumpersticker... but when analyzed, it really says nothing.

Some Christians believe that the Bible should be literal... that the earth was created in 6 actual days and is only 6,000 years old.

Again... if you wish to argue an intelligent perspective, please do not shade or obscure the truth... thoughout most of history the Muslims did not persecute Christians... at most, they weren't considered citizens and had to pay a special tax. Not fair, but those weren't great times anyhow.

Study Moorish Spain and the lives of Jews and Christians during that period. Study the reconquest of Spain by Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain and the advent of the Inquisition. The deportation of Jews and their migration to the Ottoman empire.

Those who are really really concerned about the Christians in Muslim countries (which I am) should do everything in their power to insist that America continues to be a secular country based on the rule of LAW. To pander to fears and trying to win "points" on blogs about this being a Christian nation are saying to the Muslims that even with a secular nation of laws, it is okay to discriminate against minority religions, ethnic groups or whatever. If you can't justify it because of a separation of church and state within the Constitution, well, try the old "This is a Christian culture." Explain that to God when he asks what did you do for your brothers and sisters in Christ?

Old Atlantic wrote on December 22, 2006 12:57 PM:

bin Laden’s 1998 Fatwa:

begin quote

Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life.”

On that basis, and in compliance with Allah’s order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims: The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies — civilians and military — is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it,

end quote

Islam as a unitary entity, religious-political-military attacked the Christian Jewish Western Superpower in 633 AD. The Koran was written in 656 AD from recollections of warriors. It was written down starting in 633 AD because some Muslim holy warriors died in the 633 AD battle of Yamama initiated by Islam as a unitary entity against the Eastern Roman Empire, the Western superpower.

bin Laden's fatwa is the same thing. His attack on 2001 is the same thing. We responded by sending armies to Afghanistan and then Iraq. It makes no sense to send armies there and not stop their immigration here. We stopped immigration after Pearl Harbor.

What's the difference? 9-11 was an attack from within by immigrants, so to stop immigration now is an admission that Pat Buchanan was right in 1992 to want to stop immigration.

My security code is profit.

ENZA wrote on December 22, 2006 12:57 PM:

Apparently, Mr. Goode is ignorant of the fact that the use of Bibles in swearing-in oaths is optional. Thus, so would be the Quran, or the Webster's Dictionary.

All that just to show his ignorance.

Regards,

Dan Radmacher wrote on December 22, 2006 1:04 PM:

Sen. John Warner said he respects "the constitutional right of members of Congress, indeed, of every U.S. citizen, freely to exercise the religion of their choice, including those of the Islamic faith utilizing the Quran in accordance with the tenets of their religion."

He released a statement that was quoted in several news stories today. The full statement might be on his Web site.

Old Atlantic wrote on December 22, 2006 1:08 PM:

Bethlehem 85 percent Christian 1948, 12 percent 2006. There is violence against Christians in Bethlehem today, which is done by Muslims.

Most Muslims want Sharia law in Palestine. University of Jordan did a survey of views in Palestine and other Muslim lands, and most Muslims i all those countries want Sharia law as a source or the sole source of law.

Christians in Morocco are persecuted. Its in every Muslim country.

Americans were taking hostage by North African countries c. 1800, c. 1900, and have been taken hostage or attacked multiple times by other Muslim countries. From 1500 to the French occupation in the 19th century, North Africa took over 1 million Christians slaves in raiding parties on the seas, Europe and North America.

One act of kindness or even many doesn't make up for an eventual genocide or forcing out. Muslims want Sharia law, they want Islam, that's why they are Muslims.

Real bigots are liberals who say that Muslims believe what they believe in.

Letting Muslims in the West has corresponded to persecution of Christians and Jews and Hindus in Muslim lands. It makes them think they are winning. Qaddafi said in 50 years Europe will be Muslim. Ergo, Muslims don't have to change, i.e. become liberals.

Muslims aren't liberals. You hate Protestants so much, you can't see that. They take your comments as the sign of weakness.

Also your argument on sign of weakness doesn't make sense. If they thought like you do, they would stop persecuting Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Jews, etc. in their lands, which they don't.

My security code is brain.

ENZA wrote on December 22, 2006 1:11 PM:

You are a very sad, ignorant, man.

Use your security code.

Cousin X wrote on December 22, 2006 1:14 PM:

Old Atlantic said:
[quote]
Virgil Goode brought up the issue of stopping immigration. Why do you conflate stopping immigration with deporting? Because to stop it is to admit it was wrong. That is why you switch from stopping immigration to deporting. In your heart, you know they shouldn't have been allowed in.
[/quote]

That's a pretty big assumption. Why do you think that you know what's in this person's heart? Did Jesus tell you? Or your neighbor's dog?

I -my- heart, I know that America is founded on such beautiful principles as "Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free." But wait, the Statue of Liberty is from France, so it -must- be evil, right?

[quote]
Crying bigot is the last refuge of those who are wrong.
[/quote]

Funny, I would say the same thing of those who constantly cry terrorist. Interesting, isn't it, how the Terror Threat Level always peaks just before an election....

[quote]
My security code is shoe. We have to take off our shoes because of the shoe bomber, who was, gasp, Muslim. He thought he was acting on the basis of Islam, and Islamic courts world wide tend to support that view. We have to decide if we want to stop things getting worse before America is Lebanon or wait until its Iraq.
[/quote]

What about Tim McVeigh? He was, gasp, a right-wing nutjob! What about Jim Jones? He was, gasp, a Christian fundamentalist! What about Ted Kaczynski? He was, gasp, -another- right-wing nutjob!

So I think if we're going to start persecuting people based on the actions of others, we need to get the fundamentalists and right wingers out of the country, and don't let them back in.

[quote]
How tired of racism will you be when America is in civil war like France already is? The racism that shoots you, bombs you, shoe bombs you, takes you hostage, asks for ransom, doesn't let you put Cartoons where you want, is the real bigotry. They wrote it down in a book, its called the Koran.
[/quote]

What do you think about the Bible? What about the Inquisition? The Albigensian Crusade ("Kill them all, God will know His own!")? Is torture and murder a part of all Christianity, or is just a few fanatics who give the whole religion a bad name?

Old Atlantic wrote on December 22, 2006 1:19 PM:

Cousin X,

Bad acts by others don't make it desirable to have bad acts inflicted on us. All the bad acts in history by Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. won't make me want to be a victim of Muslim violence.

==
You are a very sad, ignorant, man.
Use your security code.
Posted by: ENZA

My security code is wind, as in Wind and the Lion, when Americans were held hostage in Morocco, c. 1900.

Can you be more specific? How ignorant? Why do you want Muslim immigration? What benefit does it have? Immigration has a substitution effect, all immigation does. This makes it undesirable, period.

Anonymous wrote on December 22, 2006 1:21 PM:

Old Atlantis said:
[quote]
Bad acts by others don't make it desirable to have bad acts inflicted on us. All the bad acts in history by Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. won't make me want to be a victim of Muslim violence.
[/quote]

And all the bad acts in history by Muslims won't make me want to be a victim of Fundamentalist / Right Wing violence.

Old Atlantic wrote on December 22, 2006 1:27 PM:

sami, I agree with many of your comments, but the issue is continued Muslim immigration. I believe all immigration should stop, with no amnesties or guest worker.

It isn't beating on immigrants to stop future immigration. This is one of the logical fallacies that permeates the pro immigration arguments.

Sustained immigration causes genetic survival ratios to asymptote to zero. Search on "Unpleasant Immigration Arithmetic". Thus its irrational. This is true for each annual cohort of immigrants, not just those here.

Realist wrote on December 22, 2006 1:29 PM:

I have a comment for Old Atlantic since you are using 911 as your arguments.
The hi-jackers were from Saudi Arabia.
George Bush jr and sr literally walk holding hands with the royal family of that repressive country. George Bush jr also let the family of his buisiness partners, the Bin Ladens fly out of the US after 911 when no one else was allowed to fly.
Kean and the others on the 911 commission say to this day the White House was not forth coming with answers to their actions before and after 911.
I think if you focus on the bigger liars you might get some political truth in your life.

Old Atlantic wrote on December 22, 2006 1:30 PM:

"And all the bad acts in history by Muslims won't make me want to be a victim of Fundamentalist / Right Wing violence."

The only fundamentlist violence going on is that being done by Muslims in the US, France, UK, Lebanon, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan, etc.

Old Atlantic wrote on December 22, 2006 1:34 PM:

Realist, I agree with your remarks up to your final sentence. See link on this post for comments on Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

BTW Complete 9-11 Timeline needs money and is exposing Bush links to Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. They have a matching grant but are behind in meeting it.

My security code is judge.

ENZA wrote on December 22, 2006 1:38 PM:

To me, personally, I really couldn't care less whether the country allows the immigration of Muslims, or Janeists, or whoever.

Someday, if I am lucky, I will leave this marble without having to kill any man because of his fundmentalist beliefs in God or politics.

I dare say that goal is becoming more and more difficult with each day, but it is not the Muslims I fear will cause me to break my fast.

The First Nation peoples should have killed your ancestor when they stepped from the boat.

Regards,

Patti in Dallas wrote on December 22, 2006 1:42 PM:

3rd paragraph of Article VI of the United States Constitution: The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Read the clause beginning after the semi-colon. Methinks Goode and his supporters do not support the United States Constitution, as they openly advocate violating it.

Anonymous wrote on December 22, 2006 1:46 PM:

Old Atlantic said:
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The only fundamentlist violence going on is that being done by Muslims in the US, France, UK, Lebanon, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan, etc.
[/quote]

Except, of course, for abortion-clinic bombers, televangelist hate-speech, and various separatist cults (e.g. David Koresh) who stockpile guns and children to molest. But we'll ignore that, because Bill O'Rielly doesn't have a Talking Points Memo about it.

I notice, however, that you said nothing of Right Wing violence ... you admit, then, that the Right Wing is as big threat to humanity as Islam?

eric wrote on December 22, 2006 1:57 PM:

I *still* don't understand how all of this anti-muslim/stop immigration has anything to do with Ellison.

I am certain that even if we had never let a single muslim immigrate to this country, we would still have Ellison in Congress, and Ellison would still practice Islam.

ENZA wrote on December 22, 2006 2:03 PM:

Eric,

That would be true since Ellison is a convert and did so here.

Old Atlantic, when face with facts, will logically call for the removal of all Qurans from the country to prevent conversions.

Regards,

Old Atlantic wrote on December 22, 2006 2:04 PM:

" you admit, then, that the Right Wing is as big threat to humanity as Islam?"

I would put China and North Korea after Islam. I would put Bush Clinton corruption close to that, but these are linked.

pecos wrote on December 22, 2006 3:46 PM:

Just when the Republicans are sprinkling the bi-partisan fairy dust on themselves and doing their best "aw shucks, why can't we all just work together" act, Virgil Goode crawls out from under his rock and reminds everyone of what the party is really all about. Thanks, Virgil, and keep up the good work.

Shadowguitar wrote on December 22, 2006 4:11 PM:

"Liberals have 9-11 guilt. If they stop immigration now, they admit it was wrong after the WTC 93 attacks. They have to admit Pat Buchanan was wright in 1992.

Liberals hate their victims, and they can't admit the truth, which is what stopping immigration is, an admission of truth."

Liberals admit when they are wrong quite often. We admitted we were wrong by invading Iraq, and that we had false intelligence. However, I have not seen any republicans come close to admitting they were anything but 100% on the spot during the invasion. The primary reason we decided to take over Iraq was WMDs. There is no debate on this. Taking down Saddam was not mentioned until after we noticed there were no WMDs. Therefore, the entire mission was pointless. And wouldn't you think that we would be out of Iraq 3 years after "Mission Accomplished"?
If the Bush administration were to admit guilt, it would be now. Right now. Before we are swept into another Vietnam. Nobody is supporting the war, and nobody will. We can change terminology all we want, but this war has affected our lives. We did not have a second thought about Muslims before 9/11, but immediately afterward, we regard them all as threats? Please. We have immigration to allow those people whose countries are oppressive to have a safe haven. We need to to keep our countries economy on track. Watch "A Day Without A Mexican" and see what happens if we no longer have immigrants.

Neil wrote on December 22, 2006 5:03 PM:

There are several stupid comments on this page, but the one from "FrogDaddy" ranks among the stupidest. Ellison has at no point in his life EVER suggested support of "Sharia law" in the United States. His recent comments have all been strongly highlighting our shared beliefs in the U.S. Constitution as something that should unite us, not divide us. The sole basis FrogDaddy has to associate Sharia law to Ellison is Ellison's religious background, which people like "FrogDaddy" only know about because of Goode's racist letter and subsequent comments. These people are the sorriest excuse for Americans I've ever encountered.

Flashpoint wrote on December 22, 2006 5:06 PM:

*still* don't understand how all of this anti-muslim/stop immigration has anything to do with Ellison.

I am certain that even if we had never let a single muslim immigrate to this country, we would still have Ellison in Congress, and Ellison would still practice Islam.>>

I don't understand the anti-muslim part either. I'm sure that what Goode originally had in mind was somehow keeping Ellison from taking the seat to which he was duely elected. The Muslims's in his district who helped elect him are American citizens, not illegal aliens. Moreover, the average Muslim-American is better off financially than most Americans and has no interest in terrorism. It is imperative to the Right that "Islamofacsists" take over as the 21st Century bogeymen now that the COmmunists have gone away.

Shade Tail wrote on December 23, 2006 12:04 AM:

It really is strange that some people are smart enough to use a computer, yet stupid enough to believe the hysterical anti-moslem bigotry floating around the USA. Really strange. And really sad.

Walid A wrote on December 23, 2006 10:06 AM:

It is this ignorance about the Quran, Islam that makes many Americans such as Old Atlantic have this Islamophobia. He and others seem to derive the meaning of the Quran and Islam from the action of a bunch of 'so-called' Muslim terrorists and extremists, who have nothing to do with the essence of the religion.
If they had examined Quran carefully, they would realize it supports freedom, equality, peace, and justice more than any document you could imagine. As for sentences that includes promoting violence, I wish to say to that the Bible has much more violent stuff but he may not care to investigate.
Prejudice and hate only breeds the same. It is a vicious circle that you are only contributing to... sadly.
To demonstrate my point, just view some of those links: http://www.aicongress.org/asani1.html
and I quote:
"I remarked that intolerant and exclusivist readings of the Quran promoted by some Muslims seeking to use the scripture to promote hegemonic goals go against the core teachings of the Islamic faith when properly understood. Such readings I submitted contradict the pluralist ethos espoused in the Quran, a scripture that recognizes plurality of human society as a sign of divine genius. As an American Muslim I feel that Quranic pluralism resonates with the pluralism that lies at the heart of American civic culture and the constitution of the United States. "

You may have to do a lot of reading about Islam to know the facts rather than to just rush to your own conclusions. That's just a friendly advice...

Older wrote on December 24, 2006 2:54 PM:

I know personally a number of liberal Moslems. So it's not true there are none. I don't doubt though that it's getting harder for them in a number of countries. Hopefully, not in the US.

Old Atlantic wrote on December 24, 2006 8:33 PM:

" I have been called an extremist. I accept this charge with honor. Islam is sheer evil. It must be opposed completely. Anything less would be a compromise with evil." Ali Sina

Photos at the link by my name, the one liked is of a man holding newly severed hands. There is a gallery of Sharia punishments from Bangladesh to Nigeria. Its not just Saudi Arabia.

Faith Freedom org is an organization of former Muslims.

"Faith Freedom International is a grassroots movement of ex-Muslims. Its goals are to (a) unmask Islam and show that it is an imperialistic ideology akin to Nazism but disguised as religion and (b) to help Muslims leave it, end this culture of hate caused by their "us" vs. "them" ethos and embrace the human race in amity. We strive for the unity of Mankind through the elimination of Islam, the most insidious doctrine of hate. "

My security code is bent. Scroll through the gallery to find images of people being bent, literally. Those who don't want to look at the photos, just copy the phrase "Virgil Goode BIGOT wants to stop this."

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V wrote on December 28, 2006 1:46 AM:

I wonder if folks like Old Atlantic have ever read 1 page of Quran. or just ranting what they have gathered from fox news.

I'm no fan and not a islam, I just checked it out for fun. actuaclly I find it more progressive, more liberal than Bible. of coz it has some crazy msgs, just like in the old testament god is a prick too. they were written thousands of years ago after all.

Old Atlantic wrote on December 31, 2006 4:30 PM:

Go to Skeptics Annotated Quran. Put it in chrono order. Chapter 9, Repentance is the 2nd to last in chrono order. Chapter 2, the Cow, contains the verse that formulates the doctrine of abrogation.

Later verses abrogate earlier ones. The last book in chrono order is a stub, so Repentance is effectively the last chapter. Repentance contains the Verse of the Sword and other intolerance verses.

Skeptics Annotated Quran has annotations in plain English so can rapidly scan the meaning. It can sort out intolerant, or cruel, or even good stuff verses by book or the whole Quran.

http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html

Has Koran commands to kill infidels. Chapter 9 abrogates all the peaceful verses in the Quran.

Bible emphasizes the Last Judgement, which is done by God after death. The Koran also has a Present Judgement (not its words). This authorizes each individual Muslim to judge and punish themselves. The Quran says when they do this and kill an Infidel, its because God already intended that.

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