Comments (116)

Jon wrote on January 4, 2007 12:52 PM:

How in the world did the talking heads not catch that....kudos to the director and the camermen!!!

Thinking Person wrote on January 4, 2007 12:57 PM:

Notice how Kucinich puts his arm around Ellison's back as a show of support.

Anonymous wrote on January 4, 2007 1:00 PM:

now there's a piss your pants moment for The Virgtard.

Jim wrote on January 4, 2007 1:03 PM:

anyone know who the two white-haired guys in profile are? I think one is Jim Moran...is the other a senior Republican trying to staunch the stoopit?

gmj wrote on January 4, 2007 1:04 PM:

What fun! Goode did *not* want to talk to Ellison. You can see the two white-haired dudes looking in the direction of the approaching Ellison and Kucinich. One of the white-haired dudes then positions himself to block. E & K then split up to counter the zone defense, and when they break through the other white-hair tries (or so it appears to my eye) to lead Goode away.

Now, are there any lipreaders who can figure out what was said?

george koch wrote on January 4, 2007 1:08 PM:

the big white haired guy on the left of the screen is definitely moran (my representative) - not sure who is the white haired guy with the glasses.

zain wrote on January 4, 2007 1:09 PM:

GREAT! clearly from that video ellison made it a point to go introduce himself, im sure he was compltetly civil too, classy guy this ellison i like him.

VP wrote on January 4, 2007 1:13 PM:

You have to love how Ellison got right up in his face with that big grin, LOL!

sd wrote on January 4, 2007 1:17 PM:

virgil meet poise, poise meet virgil...

bluedog wrote on January 4, 2007 1:20 PM:

Lotsa nice spin of that very uneventful video clip. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one -- two Congressmen greeting each other. BFD!

J. Altman wrote on January 4, 2007 1:26 PM:

Goode was sworn in using T. Jefferson's Quran:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070104/ap_on_go_co/ellison_quran

TruthSeeker wrote on January 4, 2007 1:27 PM:

Kucinich was being a naughty boy. He was having way too much fun with this. It was probably his idea to take Ellison over to meet Goode. Priceless :-)

J. Altman wrote on January 4, 2007 1:28 PM:

Oops; I mean Ellison was sworn in using T. Jefferson's Quran.

Sorry about that.

Tom Goldsmith wrote on January 4, 2007 1:33 PM:

One of the others in the shot IS Jim Moran (my rep.). Can't wait to ask him what was being said.

denise wrote on January 4, 2007 1:35 PM:

Don't you just LOVE politics! This is the best spectator sport around imo!

Mike wrote on January 4, 2007 1:46 PM:

Ellison met with the flying (lying) imams before the morning of their flight. He was involved with all the 'calls for inquiry' later in the day.

He was involved.

Dan wrote on January 4, 2007 1:53 PM:

*yawn*

melior wrote on January 4, 2007 1:55 PM:

Now Goode will have to hate himself for touching a dirty brown Muslim. I bet he ran straight to the little boys' room to wash his hand.

Baba wrote on January 4, 2007 2:01 PM:

What a great gesture by Ellison. Good Muslim response to the bigoted Christian.

Baba wrote on January 4, 2007 2:04 PM:

Melior: Hateful people like yourself is what's holding America back. It must be horrible walking around with all that hate. Think to yourself is that what Jesus would say "dirty brown Muslim?"

Get a life.

BobT wrote on January 4, 2007 2:08 PM:

Holy cow, Baba, get a frigging clue.

Legalize wrote on January 4, 2007 2:08 PM:

But, but, but, the fact that Ellison was so civil only PROVES how sneaky he really is. OMG Shari'ia is just around teh corner!!!111on11!

ronnyg wrote on January 4, 2007 2:08 PM:

Um, Baba, I'm pretty sure Melior was being facetious.

Look it up.

Suffering Bruin wrote on January 4, 2007 2:09 PM:

Baba, I suspect that melior's intent behind his remark was far, far different than what you inferred. Judging from Goode's abhorrent letter, it's a fair question to ask what he would do after shaking hands with a Muslim.

ronnyg wrote on January 4, 2007 2:12 PM:

Ahhh, someone making my comment in a much kinder way! Something for me to chew on ;)

DanThe1Man wrote on January 4, 2007 2:14 PM:

I assume your not retarded, is it that you don't understand sarcasm?

ronnyg wrote on January 4, 2007 2:17 PM:

Not sure to whom you're referring, Dan, but ironically, the "your" a couple words before "retarded" should be "you're."

GIRv2.0 wrote on January 4, 2007 2:20 PM:

Baba. Melior is OBVIOUSLY being sarcastic. Save your virtrol for the defenders of Goode. Goode is an absolute abomnation of a political representative. Trust me, the whole concept of the Quran used as once belonging to Jefferson will be completly lost on him. The question is, is it because he is stupid, or is it because he is purposfully twisting the facts to bolster his obvious bigotry and hatred.

Oh, and "Mike", about the (so called) lying Imams... shut the F#*k up. Idiot.

Carla wrote on January 4, 2007 2:38 PM:

Hilarious. Watch Moran sizing up the situation and realizing that Kucinich is leading Ellison in. He smirks briefly. Meanwhile, Kucinich moves to cover Goode's right flank in case he makes a break for it, while Moran sidles up to Goode and grabs his left arm as Ellison moves to the front of Goode. Goode has no choice but to stand and play kissy-face with Ellison, and then with Kucinich, who can't seem to control his urge to totally be in the moment. I think Ellison's picked up a lot of street cred over this whole thing.

BEV wrote on January 4, 2007 2:44 PM:

Did anyone catch the "vandelism" at Rep Goode's office in Virginia? Since Senator Webb's victory and now this, I think I like Virginians!

klyde wrote on January 4, 2007 3:04 PM:

did goode get the dark stain of courage when he found Ellison sneaking up on him?

SoCal Commie wrote on January 4, 2007 3:12 PM:

How about 'Soilgate' for the 'Sex for Oil' scandal. :)

joeyess wrote on January 4, 2007 3:14 PM:

now that's bi-partisanship!!

BTW, did anyone catch Boehner while introducing Pelosi slip the tried and true "Democrat Party" in his speech?

Lizard brains never take vacation.

Jason wrote on January 4, 2007 3:18 PM:

All hail Queen Pelosi.

pat wrote on January 4, 2007 3:18 PM:

Read your history books....Jefferson had the Koran translated into English because he saw the "mohammadens" as a threat. You won't read that in the media. Also, Keith is part of the Nation of Islam which teaches that white people and Jews are the devil. He is also a supporter of cop-killer Mumia Jamal. So glad to have him in our Government.

Rich wrote on January 4, 2007 3:35 PM:

Jefferson did not have the Koran translated - he purchased the definitive English translation of the day (1864 edition by George Sale) and used it frequently during his legal studies. He also explicitly included Muslims in his vision of America.

http://www.altmuslim.com/perm.php?id=P1849_0_24_0

Learn *your* history!

Kevin wrote on January 4, 2007 3:37 PM:

Pat - any solid proof to back up your suppositions about Ellison's personal beliefs... or are blanket statements about NOI sufficient for you? While you're at it, please cite your Jefferson reference - thanx

ROFL

pat wrote on January 4, 2007 3:39 PM:

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/jefferson_papers/mtjprece.html Here ya go Rich

pat wrote on January 4, 2007 3:42 PM:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/015415.php And for you, Kevin

BStu wrote on January 4, 2007 3:43 PM:

Gotta love how quick Repubs are to spin Jefferson in his grave. There are a number of quotes from him indicating his specific belief that freedom of religion in this country extended to Islam. Upon encountering political disputes with Muslim nations, Jefferson responded by trying to learn more about their religion. By studying Islam as a religion and the history of Islamic nations' interaction with Christian European nations, American policy was shaped in dealing with these countries. We saw that there was a need to assure them that America's intentions were different from the European crusaders who had come before. That American was not founded as a Christian nation, but as one which respected all religions. Its impossible to fairly suggest that Jefferson saw Islam as a threat. Rather, he saw some Muslim nations as a geo-political threat, because they were.

Greg wrote on January 4, 2007 3:44 PM:

I found nothing eventful with this "moment in history". Libs trying to make a mountain out of a molehill is nothing new, however.

"Welcome to the club" is all I get out of this transaction.

jimbo92107 wrote on January 4, 2007 3:47 PM:

By sheer coincidence I was able to read Ellison's lips and Goode's lips reflected in the former's eyes.

Ellison: Say cracker, is it all right if me and my homies stick around in y'all's country for awhile?

Goode: Why sho' nuff, niggah! Jes don' go an' be gittin uppity, thass all!

Cautious Man wrote on January 4, 2007 3:49 PM:

The white-haired gentleman speaking with Goode, at the start of the clip, is Bill Pascrell, one of our NJ Representatives. He appears to be deep in conversation with Goode, as Ellison approaches. Bill Pascrell was one of the first Congressmen to respond to Goode and object to Goode's attack on Ellison, and on Muslims.

eric wrote on January 4, 2007 3:58 PM:

I found nothing eventful with this "moment in history". Libs trying to make a mountain out of a molehill is nothing new, however.

"Welcome to the club" is all I get out of this transaction.

Posted by: Greg

You are an idiot. The reason this is noteworthy is the context. There was a pretty big CONTROVERSY between these two. The fact that Ellison finally gets to go over and meet the Virginian responsible for this controversy is pretty topical, don't you think?

Greg wrote on January 4, 2007 4:05 PM:

eric:

No. Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton had a bitter run back in 92, and look at them now.

"idiot". Typical libtard response. The only context I'm getting is how you try to make someone out to be too good for this "lowly" Muslim senator. Big Deal!

eric wrote on January 4, 2007 4:17 PM:

"Muslim senator"

Huh?

You are an idiot.

Oyka wrote on January 4, 2007 4:26 PM:

""idiot". Typical libtard response. The only context I'm getting is how you try to make someone out to be too good for this "lowly" Muslim senator. Big Deal!"

Libtard huh? Coming from the ideology and its allied party that has proven its absolute inability to govern a nation without neccesarily having to mention:

"The most corrupt in (X)..."
"The most free spending and fiscally irresponsible"
etc etc.. in the same sentence

Truthfully I think the nation has had enough and thankfully its seen through and is over the collective illness and disorder that has plagued us: conservatism (or conservatardism if you will)

Jeremy wrote on January 4, 2007 4:34 PM:

Greg wrote:

No. Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton had a bitter run back in 92, and look at them now.

Exactly, Greg. It was a bit of a spectacle. People, formally in conflict, now getting along. So people are interested in this because here are two guys in conflict meeting for the first time. You don't understand why this would interest people, even if it doesn't interest you?

Greg also wrote:

"idiot". Typical libtard response. The only context I'm getting is how you try to make someone out to be too good for this "lowly" Muslim senator. Big Deal!

I'd say typical wingnut response to the "libtard" comment, but then we'd go into a circular vortex that would swallow the website.

Also, to what senator are you referring? Both these guys are congressmen. Seems like we're back to the importance of context, eh?

Anonymous wrote on January 4, 2007 4:36 PM:

""idiot". Typical libtard response. The only context I'm getting is how you try to make someone out to be too good for this "lowly" Muslim senator. Big Deal!

Greg wrote:

FYI, Ellison is not a senator and please learn your politics before you start insulting those who disagree with you.

Bush

zk0sm0 wrote on January 4, 2007 4:38 PM:

pat:

your links are laughably insufficient to support your claims.

Bill wrote on January 4, 2007 4:39 PM:

Most "corrupt" since well Clinton was in office. It's amazing how you critisize an administration that has giving more $$$ to education, entitlements, and other world issues such as AIDS and poverty than any other in history. The economy is booming despite the problems in the ME. Unemployment is at or near historical lows. You would think liberals would love W.

lestatdelc wrote on January 4, 2007 4:42 PM:

"how you try to make someone out to be too good for this "lowly" Muslim senator."

ROFLMAO

This is about memebrs int he House of Represetnatives, not the Senate. "Libtard"...?

Paging Greg, Paging Greg, please pick up the nearest courtesy clue phone.

zipity wrote on January 4, 2007 4:44 PM:

Curious which Mr. Ellison will be swearing to uphold, the Constitution or the Koran? Nice to see that the corrupt culture of the Repubs is now over...... Right Mr. Conyers, Mr. Jefferson...?

ryry wrote on January 4, 2007 4:45 PM:

pat, your article about jeffereson versus north african pirates was interesting, if irrelavent. He saw pirates as a threat, not Muslims. If your reasoning were right, then the religion rather than the actions of an adversary is what makes it threatening. DO you think Jefferson would have also found the British threatening in the revolutionary war because they were Christians?

immortal wrote on January 4, 2007 4:47 PM:

This is the problem in America and with politics in general. You take a side and not matter what happens you stick to that side instead of listening what each side has to say and then make an educated assessement...but then again that would explain why all these other countries people are far smarter than us...that's why most of our scientist and inventors are all foreigners cause we are to lazy...we just wanna watch our football and drink beer whole day then we complain that immigrants are taking our jobs...that's either cause they are more qualified than us or we think certain jobs are beneath us....Don't pleedge allegance to a single party...wait to hear what they have to say and their recent performance and base your decision on that...that is what democracy is...not blind support...

triozyg wrote on January 4, 2007 4:47 PM:

zk0sm0 is right, pat's links are meaningless.

The library of congress link has no description whatsoever about Jefferson and the Koran

The powerline link is all inuendo, just as pat's claims are

every time I read a rightie and they put a link, I think, gee, maybe this time they'll actually have something to back up their claim -- still batting 0

wannastayanonymous wrote on January 4, 2007 4:50 PM:

Concur with "cautious man" - the white-haired guy on the right is Pascrell. I know him personally and that's him.

And, if there's anyone comfortable in a social situation or working a room, it's Pascrell.

lestatdelc wrote on January 4, 2007 4:51 PM:

zipity <---- bigoted moron

zipity wrote on January 4, 2007 4:56 PM:

lestatdelc <-------moronic, vampire-goth nerd in mom's basement

zipity wrote on January 4, 2007 5:05 PM:

Wow, lestatdelc are a riter....

"Simple yet pointed satire explaining how the GOP uses doublespeak and doublethink to get people to buy the irrational non-think they sell.

Left is Right in GOP thinking."

"Simple yet pointy, lame yet danceable prose explaining how the DEM party uses dumbspeak to get people to swallow the irrigated nun-thunk they rent"

Good times, good times....

ihatebiggovernment wrote on January 4, 2007 5:15 PM:

Ellison is not a senator, but he is a fraud. Those like him (CAIR) should be investigated for what they really are. HE IS NOT A MUSLIM. He is a member of the nation of islam, which hates jews.

Don't use my taxes to pay for the mosque.

Anonymous wrote on January 4, 2007 5:19 PM:

Pat's links do not support his statements. He was either trying to look like he had a source when he had none or too stupid to realize his sources didn't even support his assertions.

eric wrote on January 4, 2007 5:26 PM:

"Ellison is not a senator, but he is a fraud. Those like him (CAIR) should be investigated for what they really are. HE IS NOT A MUSLIM. He is a member of the nation of islam, which hates jews.

Don't use my taxes to pay for the mosque.

Posted by: ihatebiggovernment"

You are also an idiot.

Do you know Keith? Did you know that he was strongly endorsed by large segments of the Jewish community here in Minneapolis? Did you know that he is not a member of the nation of islam?

I am sorry, but you simply cannot rely on AM radio for all of your information.

eric wrote on January 4, 2007 5:30 PM:

"Pat's links do not support his statements. He was either trying to look like he had a source when he had none or too stupid to realize his sources didn't even support his assertions.

Posted by:
Date: January 4, 2007 05:19 PM"

I thought that it was just me that couldn't quite find within the citation the part about how Jefferson "had the Koran translated".

Give me a break. pat was just making stuff up.

zipity wrote on January 4, 2007 5:41 PM:

"Do you know Keith? Did you know that he was strongly endorsed by large segments of the Jewish community here in Minneapolis? Did you know that he is not a member of the nation of islam?"

No, unfortunately the Strib newspaper in Mpls. is a Democratic mouthpiece, and so white-washed Keith's multi-year association with the Nation of Islam (he "didn't know they were anti-Semitic, and quit when he found out" not the sharpest knife in the drawer there), his frequently delinquent taxes and traffic fines, his defense of known gang-bangers in Mpls., his defense of 70's terrorist Sara Olson, and defense of convicted cop killer Mumia. It’s also unfortunately true that self-loathing Jews who long for the destruction of Israel are not exactly unknown in the district Keith ran in. You could have run a convicted child rapist in this district, and if he hated Bush, supported abortion on demand, supported more taxes and bigger government,he would have still won. Easily.

arnold wrote on January 4, 2007 6:25 PM:

Imoortal said

"This is the problem in America and with politics in general. You take a side and not matter what happens you stick to that side instead of listening what each side has to say and then make an educated assessement."

Arnold says:

What you describe certainly exists, but it is a consequence of the the fact that neither party really has any interest in providing voters with the information they would need in order to make an educated assesment. Politics has descended into pure salesmanship (thanks for that, Ronald Reagan!) and represents a contest to decide who can concoct the grossest over-simplification of reality. Republicans have been particularly adept at this (though both parties are thoroughly guilty), but their recent, er, mishaps demonstrate that just because an argument is easily stated doesn't mean that it's right.

Elections are far more likely to hinge on slogans and emotional or religious appeal than on the actual content of a candidate's brain.

Max Renn wrote on January 4, 2007 6:31 PM:

zipity, you work for Natural Law or Constitutional Party candidates, now, don't you?\

Either that or you're a bored

a) auto exec

b) pharma scum

c) insurance scum

d) lobbyist

You've got Bircher troll stench, I'll say that for you . . .

zipity wrote on January 4, 2007 6:49 PM:

Yeah, Max, way to go. Your withering point-by-point refutation of my comment was devastating. And your apparent disdain for the A thru D list of bogeymen implies you:

a) don't own a car or use oil at all to transport your lame ass

b) will not compromise your principles and take any medications when you become ill

c) will use your own money to repair your home/car should you have unfortunate luck

d) are a big enough moron to think only Republicans use big bad lobbyists

ronnyg wrote on January 4, 2007 6:55 PM:

awww...poor zipity...awww

zipity wrote on January 4, 2007 7:02 PM:

ronnyg: WTF? Can't read, eh?
Tough luck. Try google images. Lots of pretty pictures and none of those big words that make your head hurt...

Fish wrote on January 4, 2007 7:06 PM:

Rich,

Thomas Jefferson was one of our greatest presidents. Not perfect by any stretch, but incredibly important to U.S. history. However, even Jefferson's most ardent supporters would be surprised to learn he was able to use and read a translated version of the Koran from 1864, as Jefferson died in 1826.

Jefferson did not have the Koran translated - he purchased the definitive English translation of the day (1864 edition by George Sale) and used it frequently during his legal studies. He also explicitly included Muslims in his vision of America.

http://www.altmuslim.com/perm.php?id=P1849_0_24_0

Learn *your* history!
Posted by: Rich
Date: January 4, 2007 03:35 PM

ronnyg wrote on January 4, 2007 7:06 PM:

awww...zipity...hurt his pwetty wittle feelings

zipity wrote on January 4, 2007 8:13 PM:

Arrghhh...... ronnyg has run me thru with his rapier wit........ whatever shall I do? I can't match his persuasive and undeniable arguments.....

ronnyg wrote on January 4, 2007 8:21 PM:

awww...

Old Atlantic wrote on January 4, 2007 8:34 PM:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014596.php

In 1786 Jefferson and Adams met with Ambassador Adja of Tripoli. Tripoli was part of the
Caliphate, the Ottoman Empire. Thus Adja's words represented the Caliphate, the unitary political, military, religious, and legal entity of Islam.

from Joshua Logan on Adja, Adams, Jefferson meeting

quote

These future United States presidents questioned the ambassador as to why his government was so hostile to the new American republic even though America had done nothing to provoke any such animosity. Ambassador Adja answered them, as they reported to the Continental Congress, “that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.�

See Hugh Fitzgerald posts at Jihadwatch.org on John Quincy Adams, search John Quincy Adams site:jihadwatch.org

My security code is bucket. Tripoli took buckets of slaves from us. Islam has spilled buckets of blood. Allah commands it in the Quran. The arguments for Ellison bucket has chips in it whose only word is bigot. See Skeptics Annotated Quran for the real bigotry.

Therefore wrote on January 4, 2007 9:04 PM:

C'mon folks -- you are being trolled, intentionally or not. Dan responded in the best way possible:

"*yawn*"

Don't feed the trolls.

Old Atlantic wrote on January 4, 2007 9:13 PM:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014596.php

Verse of the Sword 9:5

quote

slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.

end quote

bin Laden's Fatwa 1998

quote

On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it,

end quote

The Koran Verse of the Sword, Adja's statement and bin Laden's Fatwa 1998 all use parallel language. Adja, as the representative of the Caliph said clearly that it was written in the Koran that Islam was at war with the United States, because the US had not submitted to the authority of Islam.

Jefferson and Adams were good lawyers, writers of the Declaration of Independence, and skilled ambassadors. They got down every key element of Adja's statement.

The war we are in now, and the wars in every century of the existence of the United States are because we have not submitted to the authority of Islam as stated to our ambassadors by the ambassador and representative of the Caliph, the supreme authority of Islam, a single unitary religious, military, political and legal entity.

Based in this, Jefferson and Adams fought the war the Barbary Pirates and thus the Caliphate and thus Islam were waging on the United States as an entity. According to Adja that comes from our not submitting to Islam and that this is the Law of the Prophet and written in the Koran. That is according to the Jefferson Adams report, an official document of the United States government.

Based on Adja's statements, the reason for that state of war have never changed, because the US has never submitted to Islam. Therefore the statement of the Caliph's representative is still binding and places Islam in a state of declared war with the United States. This comes from the Koran according the representative of the Caliph, the supreme authority of Islam stated to the Ambassadors of the United States, Jefferson and Adams.

This was is therefore still in effect. Therefore no person should take an oath on the Koran in the United States for any purpose.

My security code is clean.

RobK1967 wrote on January 4, 2007 9:13 PM:

zipity, being the genius you are hopefully you can answer a question for me. Does stupid hurt? If it truly does hurt you have my deepest sympathy because no one should have to endure pain at that level.

zipity wrote on January 4, 2007 9:15 PM:

Hey Fishy, how's about that history up there from Old Atlantic.... go ahead, plug your ears and start the "lalala, I can't hear you....." Damn, facts are stubborn things, aren't they? But never fear, Democrats are masters of listening to Radical Islam state plainly it's goal of a world wide Islamic Caliphate and the end of Western Civilization. And ignoring it. Worked for Clinton.

zipity wrote on January 4, 2007 9:28 PM:

*sigh* Well, it's been fun. But the back and forth give and take, the vigorous debate and exchange of ideas here has me exhausted. I bring up a few facts, and the inevitable reply is "oh yeah, stupid head poopy pants". Enjoy, five year olds.....

notapipe wrote on January 4, 2007 11:23 PM:

"zipity <---- bigoted moron
Posted by: lestatdelc
Date: January 4, 2007 04:51 PM

lestatdelc <-------moronic, vampire-goth nerd in mom's basement
Posted by: zipity
Date: January 4, 2007 04:56 PM"

This is the Best Thread Ever.

Anonymous wrote on January 5, 2007 12:07 AM:

who the f*ck gives a flying f*ck about this sh*t

Deltareal wrote on January 5, 2007 12:40 AM:

We all should!

zipity wrote on January 5, 2007 12:46 AM:

ya know, I voted for Clinton twice, and he said he would call me in the morning. fucker....

Muhammed Fucks Pigs wrote on January 5, 2007 12:59 AM:

So we have a first: a shitcolored, pigfucking muzzslime mongrel terrorist in the House of Reps.

He'll be the first and last.

Just Me wrote on January 5, 2007 4:11 AM:

zipity,

Do you ever wonder what life would have been like if you had gotten enough oxygen at birth?

Mike wrote on January 5, 2007 5:05 AM:

I get so sick of the zipity brand of conservative. Why do we have to keep taking the high road with these people? I think liberals should just start kicking their fucking moronic asses when they say the stupid shit they do. Dominance seems to be the only thing they understand. Obviously we have the intellectual firepower to blow their moronic drivel out of the water, and we do, but let's start kicking their ignorant chicken hawk asses into submission.

We all know they're mostly loud chickenshit bottoms. Zipity, I'm going to make you my bitch. For fun, this process will include pyramiding you and 10 of your closest bottom dweller conservative friends, while making you watch a Muslim flush your Bible book of myths in the toilet, and letting a pack of oiled up trannies fondle your nutsack.

At this point you should be a quivering tub of goo unable to verbalize anything. Ask Jose Padilla.

It's about time you guys got someone giving YOU an eye for an eye for a change.

Now if only the next Democratic President in '08 would make his first official act handing over Bush, Cheney and Rummie to the Hague, by way of say 2 weeks of towel party treatment at Gitmo along the way to the Netherlands, maybe we'd get somewhere. Who wouldn't love seeing Cheney have to stand for 48 hours straight? I bet they'd all wet their pants at the idea of having to go before the World Court. Even more so if we flew them there in their proverbial One World Government black helicopters.

Heh. These people are morons. Let's really start having fun with them.

PEE WEE wrote on January 5, 2007 8:47 AM:

Mahammdfuckspigs,
What brillant choice of words Mohammed! Bet you won the spelling "b" in your 3rd grade class,the one you repeated 4 times! A 3rd grader knows about spell check,so in reality you must not have passed the 2nd grade!
By the way you'd better head back to your trailer court,Mohammed Jr. your bi-sexual son is naked running after the pigs again

denis wrote on January 5, 2007 9:29 AM:

I am always disappointed when reading political discussion online as it so frequently evolves into name calling and just plain vulgar language. It is no wonder we can not resolve so many important issues in a civil compromising maner.

To better understand Ellison
Keith Ellison from 4 Jan Washington Post:

In America today, we are encouraged to believe in the myth of scarcity - that there just isn't enough - of anything. But in the story of the miracle of the loaves and fishes, Jesus, who the Muslims call Isa, found himself preaching to 5000 (not including the women by the way) at dinner time, and there didn’t appear to be enough food. The disciples said that there were only five barley loaves and two fish. We just have to send them away hungry. We simply don't have enough. But Jesus took the loaves and the fish and started sharing food. There was enough for everyone. There was more than enough. What was perceived as scarcity was illusory as long as there was sharing, and not hoarding.

John wrote on January 5, 2007 9:33 AM:

Rampant ignorance here. The bigots are pretty desperate to see some sort of threat, either in Ellison's religious affiliation or in his swearing his oath on the Koran.

If the whole point of the Bible commonly used for swearing-in is a binding oath, why do we fear a religious candidate's using the text he most reveres? Do we believe that an oath taken on a bible would somehow be more binding on a Muslim?

No, the monkeys chatter in fear of The Other, frightened by the thought of a world in which their faith does not reign supreme everywhere.

Bigots. Ellison's use of Jefferson's Koran was a brilliant way to show how ridiculous that hate is.

Jay wrote on January 5, 2007 9:43 AM:

I am shocked how ignorant americans are about other religions/cultures from some of the comments..ifnorant about their own country. there is 10 million muslims in the US most are doctors engineers, sicentist,business ppl etc. suck it up.

Red Bear Running wrote on January 5, 2007 9:43 AM:

It's the "boogeyman",the Republicans offer nothing ,all they have left is to keep the dumb,uneducated bigots, scared and dependant on them! The Reps. bring nothing to the table,offer no solutions, what-so-ever! Bush in the pre 9-11 days hovered right around 50%,sometimes a little above ,sometimes a little below.It shows you the Republicans have been leaderless since Teddy Roosevelt!

Dan wrote on January 5, 2007 9:46 AM:

Zalmay Khalilzad
I wonder if we will hear the same outrage from the repubs when Bush nominates Zalmay Khalilzad to be Ambassador to the UN?

A Muslim American wrote on January 5, 2007 9:51 AM:

In 1797, six years after the adoption of the Bill of Rights, the United States government signed a treaty with the Muslim nation of Tripoli that contained the following statement (numbered Article 11 in the treaty):

As the Government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the law, religion or tranquility of Musselmen; and as the states never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mohometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever produce an interruption of harmony existing between the two countries.

The treaty was approved by President John Adams and his Secretary of State Timothy Pickering, and was then ratified by the Senate without objection.

Shahed wrote on January 5, 2007 11:10 AM:

Also....

The United States (represented by Thomas Jefferson) signed a treaty in 1786 with Islamic Morocco (the first country to recognize the United States upon independence, BTW) to protect shipping lines and assert the friendship between the US and Morocco.

It remains, to this day, the oldest unbroken treaty ever signed by the US.

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/diplomacy/barbary/bar1786t.htm

eric wrote on January 5, 2007 11:11 AM:

This is the Best Thread Ever.

Posted by: notapipe
Date: January 4, 2007 11:23 PM

:)

Old Atlantic wrote on January 5, 2007 11:16 AM:

http://www.vicmord.com/Newsletter1Elul5767September2006.html

"
On the one hand, there is this deception around the world that Islam is a religion of peace, but Islam calls itself the Religion of the Sword or in Arabic "Din e-seif". No Arabic speaking Moslem will deny this. Allah al-Ilahi is the moon god, the sword god and the war god. The god Allah is "greater" than the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who is considered a weak, sissy love and peace God. Their god, Allah, is the macho sword and war god. This is the true meaning of the Moslem call to prayer "Allahu Akbar" or Allah is greater, greater than the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
"

"
Avi Lipkin, alias Victor Mordecai, has spoken to numerous churches, synagogues and civic groups (including radio and TV appearances). He offers compelling proof that the fanaticism of Islam is the number one threat to world peace today!
"

My security code is goat.

justthetruth wrote on January 5, 2007 11:22 AM:

just remember this. when two or more democrats get togeether taxes will go up. you don't tax the rich because they just pass those increases on to us middle class in the form of price increases. with the dems in charge, inflation and umemployment will go up. why is it that I had to take a drug test to get my paycheck, but the deadbeats on welfare don't have to pass a drug test to get their welfare checks that i paid for?

TMoney wrote on January 5, 2007 11:54 AM:

You would think Virgil Goode would have pulled out a sword and smote the evil Muslim. Maybe given him one chance to repent and convert to Christianity. Isn't that how Christianity was spread? Oh no, I forgot it was by the power of Jesus's love for humanity.

eric wrote on January 5, 2007 12:14 PM:

"Posted by: justthetruth
Date: January 5, 2007 11:22 AM"

Again, let me emphasize this is the strongest possible terms: AM radio is not a reliable source of information.

"you don't tax the rich because they just pass those increases on to us middle class in the form of price increases."

Ok, maybe *that* part I'll let slide. ;)

kparcell wrote on January 5, 2007 12:18 PM:

Another interpretation of video: a bunch of busy people saying hello. Probably the only other clear thing that can be known is that Kucinich's hand on Ellison's shoulder is a true gesture of warmth, the rest is pretty standard stuff. Kucinich is a true uniting voice in America, a good reason for the world to not hate all of us, and a good reason for Americans to have hope that we'll get out of Iraq with a meaningful peace.

kparcell wrote on January 5, 2007 12:39 PM:

HEY! I SAID

DENNIS KUCINICH GIVES US ALL HOPE!

NO Reply?? What's wrong with you right wingnuts?? You all come unbolted??

Virginianomore wrote on January 5, 2007 7:10 PM:

It is very funny that Ellison used the Koran of TJ, who since he lived at Monticello would be a constituent of Virgil's. I wonder if TJ would have voted for him....

Admiral Naismith wrote on January 5, 2007 7:21 PM:

why is it that I had to take a drug test to get my paycheck, but the deadbeats on welfare don't have to pass a drug test to get their welfare checks that i paid for?

Umm...because your boss doesn't care about people's freedom, and the government does?

Doug wrote on January 5, 2007 7:42 PM:

Muhammed Fucks Pigs wrote:
"So we have a first: a shitcolored, pigfucking muzzslime mongrel terrorist in the House of Reps.

He'll be the first and last."

I say that sounds mighty "white" & "X-ian" (that's "Christian" for the mouthbreathers out there) of you. Newsflash, dipshit(s), "caucasian" is not the official ethnicity of America. I'm sure you would like it to be... but then again, how boring would sports be then? At least you still have NASCAR. "Git 'er done!"

Anonymous wrote on January 5, 2007 8:12 PM:

what?

Shag wrote on January 5, 2007 9:56 PM:

It's funny to see the clown posting above trying to equate Conyers and Jefferson to the continuing crumbling gang of crooks on the right. No one who does wrong should be allowed to get away with it.
However, if you had to line-up names side by side, it's about 10-1, crooks on the right favored. There are still a large number of them under investigation, including the last speaker. He's mixed up in land deals, near highways.

Old Atlantic wrote on January 5, 2007 10:55 PM:

The corruption of the Clinton and Bush admins is not all in yet. When more of it comes out, we may find that for each it exceeds what is known so far for both combined. Moreover, it may turn out that some of the Bush team knew about things during the Clinton term.

It may come out that all 3 branches and both administrations and both parties knew in the 1990's and know now more than they let on, and that foreign countries like Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and others were aware of info on this from early in the Clinton admin to now. This is just speculation. You can see a discussion of a hypothesis about this at the link at the Old Atlantic name.

My security code is keep. Some secrets keep.

johnnybadvibe wrote on January 6, 2007 12:31 PM:

Zipity:

..."ignoring it. Worked for Clinton."

Ah, yes, let's bring it back to Clinton. Totally sat on his ass, while the Republican administrations governing for the previous twelve years showed a demonstrably robust & offensive (in the "action" sense of the word) response to radical Islam & terrorist activities activities against the U.S.

Where do folks get this stuff?

P.S. I'd be interested in asking 220 Marines, 18 Navy personnel and 3 Army soldiers what they thought about Reagan's manly actions in the wake of a certain terrible day in Beruit. But what, the hey, we can't because they're all dead...

www.kucinich.com wrote on January 6, 2007 2:45 PM:

www.kucinich.com

Non-Immigrant Muslim in America wrote on January 7, 2007 6:15 AM:

Why is it that Right wing conservatives are unable to hold a decent intellectual discussion? Why do they resort to name calling and insults every time? It seems like when they are clearly not making sense, they come up with these out of the blue references to Islam (which are false) to somehow prove their point. I'm sorry but you guys (i.e. conservative republicans) seem pretty dumb to me. You remind me of people who have no intellectual thought process, you don't even represent the true Christian beliefs as I've met sensible Christians as well.

kparcell wrote on January 7, 2007 7:20 AM:

Hey Non-Immigrant Muslim

It seems to me that this board exists because some people have a lot of anger and want to fight. I wandered by because I heard that there was an interesting video posted, and I posted a pro-kucinich note above. You can meet others who share your view at kucinich.us There's also plenty of space there for folks to post hate messages, just as we see here, but they quickly get bored and leave because we're working together for positive change.

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