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Bush Admin Makes White House Visitor Records Disappear
What do you do when there are public records showing the details of visits by a corrupt lobbyist and his associates? If you're the Bush White House, you do what you do best: make them disappear!
From the AP:
The White House and the Secret Service quietly signed an agreement last spring in the midst of the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal declaring that records identifying visitors to the White House complex are not subject to public disclosure....The five-page document dated May 17 declares that all entry and exit data on White House visitors belongs to the White House as presidential records rather than to the Secret Service as agency records. Therefore, the agreement states, the material is not subject to public disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act.
In the past, Secret Service logs have revealed the comings and goings of various White House visitors, including Monica Lewinsky and Clinton campaign donor Denise Rich, the wife of fugitive financier Marc Rich, who received a pardon in the closing hours of the Clinton administration.
The memo last spring was signed by the White House and Secret Service the day after a Washington-based group asked a federal judge to impose sanctions on the Secret Service in a dispute over White House visitor logs for Abramoff.
We've snagged a copy of the memo for you to read here.
The basic thrust is this: despite the fact that the Secret Service makes and keeps the visitor records, they're not really Secret Service records (even though they'd been treated that way in the past), they're White House records, and thus not subject to FOIA. Got that?
That's one more addition to our great disappearing info list. We're up to 29!
Comments (129)
JeffC wrote on January 5, 2007 5:04 PM:I wish we could apply the same standard to our own records.
The same argument should apply. If they have nothing to hide, why do they object? If they object, they must have something to hide.
Congress should subpeona those records and release them to the public. Calling Representative Waxman!
Citizen 92 wrote on January 5, 2007 5:12 PM:I have one observation about this:
All of the stonewalling prior this "agreement" was reached was complete and total BS. Since they had to formulate an agreement, clearly they were on excessively shaky ground.
I also see two problems with this logic and this "agreement":
1 - Anything is subject to a Congressional subpoena. No hiding from that.
2 - Any FOIA requests filed before this "agreement" was reached still have to be honored. You cannot make a policy retroactive.
Long Memory wrote on January 5, 2007 5:43 PM:It's who DIDN'T go to the White House that's important. All through 2001 while Cheney's Secret Energy Task Force was using the White House like Animal House, there was another group that didn't get to go there. It was the CounterTerrorism Task Force set up by the President in the days after he came into office. And who was in charge of CounterTerrorism. A much-too-busy Dick Cheney. I hope Congress gets to ask him why that was.
tk wrote on January 5, 2007 5:50 PM:We'll just have to wait til the presidential library opens
William F wrote on January 5, 2007 7:03 PM:How can this criminal white house be stopped? I watch them get rid of Harriet Myers to protect themselves in upcoming investigations (I guess they think she's not smart enough to defend Bush but she had been good enough for OUR supreme court)? Now a barrier of bullshit to keep the public from seeing "who" is visiting public buildings and elected employees?? Somebody please, get Al Gonzales off his ass and get to work in his own back yard!!
Susan wrote on January 5, 2007 7:09 PM:I'm starting to wonder if we ever elect another Democratic president, can we trust this Secret Service to protect him/her?
Godfather's Own Party wrote on January 5, 2007 7:13 PM:Doesn't the boss normally have access to all records? And aren't the American people the boss of their Government?
Or is the Government our boss now?
Why even have elections?
nathalie wrote on January 5, 2007 7:21 PM:Seems to me that the Congress, under its oversight authority, should be able to define which records are WH and which agency. And echo the above remarks, of course.
nathalie wrote on January 5, 2007 7:25 PM:Seems to me that the Congress, under its oversight authority, should be able to define which records are WH and which agency. And echo the above remarks, of course.
stephen wrote on January 5, 2007 7:25 PM:Breathtaking in its audacity, familiar in its contempt for the public, and depressing because neither this nor similar moves have provoked any outrage.
JML wrote on January 5, 2007 7:42 PM:Echoing...ing..ing..g Nathalie above. Does the Secret Service even have the right to execute such an agreement without the approval of Congress?
trifecta wrote on January 5, 2007 8:17 PM:The only reason why a record should be kept secret is if a prominent dissident has a secret meeting at the White House and their safety or some sort of security issue makes it prudent to not let people know that they have been visiting an enemy.
It should not be used to hire the fact that you were in bed with a crooked lobbyist. Perhaps, something could be written up by congress that allows the administration to go into something like a FISA court for a real exemption.
We can not keep classifying things due to embarassment. Overclassifying leads to bad outcomes.
bs wrote on January 5, 2007 8:37 PM:tk said: "We'll just have to wait til the presidential library opens"
This President doesn't read, remember? It won't have anything except "My Pet Goat".
Bob In Pacifica wrote on January 5, 2007 10:11 PM:Does this mean the next time Jeff Gannon has a visit, we won't know?
Franzin wrote on January 5, 2007 10:25 PM:They mysteriously lost the document that had all mention of the Millennium Development Goals also. Hmmmm. There must be nomes in the White House.
tk wrote on January 5, 2007 10:40 PM:$500 million worth of My Pet Goat. Private contributions.
cyber_rigger wrote on January 5, 2007 11:50 PM:Only terrorist have something to hide, right?
Barry Greenfield wrote on January 6, 2007 12:46 AM:At what point do we declare that this country is in a constitutional crisis?
Anonymous wrote on January 6, 2007 1:39 AM:Tear down the walls M.F's.
Anonymous wrote on January 6, 2007 1:40 AM:Tear down the walls MotherFuckers.
milbank wrote on January 6, 2007 1:59 AM:The White House IS "The People's House" and the Secret Service works for us, it is a government entity not a George Bush entity.
This "pact" will be summarily tossed in Federal Court.
And yes, Congress can supeona it at any given time not to mention override any agreement the Secret Service has made unilaterally with the Bush Administration.
Nixon tried junk like this when the noose was tightening around his neck but, even he and his never tried something as brazen as this.
If I were the Democrats. . . I'd wait about a year then start kicking it up. By the time this got into full swing it will be election time and will highlight again to the electorate another aspect of what the Bush administration is about.
primob wrote on January 6, 2007 8:18 AM:Guess this means Sandy Berger can steal all he wants from the WH and we won't know.
aqualung wrote on January 6, 2007 8:24 AM:What does Sandy Berger have to do with this topic?
Oh, sorry, I get it. The above was offered by a wing nut troll apologist for the criminal Bush administration.
I retract the question.
w wrote on January 6, 2007 8:42 AM:no more bush, ever, not even jed
jeff spicolli wrote on January 6, 2007 1:28 PM:The contract by which the Secret Service conveyed ownership of White House Access logs will be seen by the court as the dodge that it is.
Remember the breaking point of Watergate.
Nixon would not turn over the tapes but when the courts and the nation were convinced he was concealing wrongdoing, the president and his cousel could no longer resist the subpeona.
National opinion is beginning to coalesce arounf the conclusion that BushCo has suspect, if not illegal, deals to hide.
The White House has demonstrated a pattern of concealing the process of governing, policy making, who participates and their influence, including some who are are elected officials, some presidential appointees, some registered lobbyists, party leaders and private citizens.
Our government and this administration (which by definition should be "of, by and for the people" rather than of by and for the president and his minions) has deliberatly operated behnd a veil of secracy in all matters, not just classified matters of national security.
The secrecy serves to insulate the administration from criticism, especially deals that would otherwise be indefensible.
What business was transacted in Jack Abramoff's many visits to the White House?
We'll find out becuase the President has lost the good will of the people he represents.
First Time Commenter wrote on January 6, 2007 1:30 PM:A few years ago, around 9-11, Bush signed an order sealing all of his presidential records forever. He is the the first president to ever do so. Normally some records are sealed for a finite period.
marty wrote on January 6, 2007 4:06 PM:So let me see if I have read this document correctly - once a visitor has left the White House grounds, the Secret Service has no interest in, or a right to preserve the records even if they had an interest in, that visitor?
Doesn't it seem that if a terrorist gained access to the White House and it was discovered after he left, that inquiries to the Secret Service about who he was, when he was there, etc. would then be met by replies of "We don't know" and "We have no records to refer to"?
Just how asinine does that sound????
irishkg wrote on January 6, 2007 4:54 PM:What is the definition of the White House Complex, i.e., what buildings??
What happens when meetings and events are held off site (outside the WH Complex) that require clearing the Secret Servuice to gain access??
lyleblog wrote on January 6, 2007 8:59 PM:Why would Rove want anyone seeing who Jeff Gannon was visiting on a daily basis before and after press conferences? How many times has Osama been Forgotten been to the OutHouse to discuss foreign policy?
Bruce Brown wrote on January 7, 2007 12:40 AM:This takes "disappearing" to a new level. Not only is Bush refusing to disclose information that prior administrations deemed public, he is refusing to disclose information that could have been obtained independently by anybody watching the entrance to the White House. Presumably, most visitors to the White House do not attempt to conceal their identity. This suggests that any foreign intelligence agency could determine who was visiting the president by merely setting up a surveillance camera to photograph people going in and out of the White House. Accordingly, the only effect of hiding the written records of these "open" visits is to prevent the press and the American people from knowing the truth. In the future, apparently, the American people will have to pay for independent surveillance of the White House in order to know who is given access to the president and his staff. If he has way, the Bush legacy will be taxpayers paying for spies to gather information about all Americans, including information about how the president performs his official duties.
Sseb wrote on January 7, 2007 9:23 AM:Seems to me that all of these Executive Orders can be overturned by whomever we elect in 2008. Dubya and Dr Evil can cover their tracks for only so long. I can't wait until the tell-all's hit the bookstands in mid-2009.
Anonymous wrote on January 7, 2007 9:55 AM:...Just how asinine does that sound????
Posted by: marty...
Not only does it sound asinine, it IS asinine.
Ned Williams wrote on January 7, 2007 3:10 PM:We'll see what the courts say. Clinton tried to claim the same privilege . . . I guess Republican lawyers are just smarter than Democrat ones.
Bill Orr wrote on January 7, 2007 5:47 PM:Simple solution: Deny any funding to the Secret Service until these records are released. Start with Cheney's detail...
whaleshaman wrote on January 8, 2007 10:27 AM:if the press could follow gary hart, you'd think reporters could be posted outside the whitehouse entrances and log who comes and goes, from now on at least.
midwestblue wrote on January 8, 2007 8:56 PM:We own The White House. We pay for its upkeep, and we provide the tenants' meals. This man has no right to prohibit us--the owners--from knowing who visited. Maybe it's time the landlords kicked the current tenants out. And, oh.... also, kick out the current tenant of the Guest House. All those people defile our property.
richard bryant wrote on January 10, 2007 1:10 AM:No one cares no one does anything how many people have committed suicide because of the policy that Congress approved called the Patriot act. There are supposed to be controls on what the secret police can do, but the people that they hired can do anything they want and they do. Here is copy of letters I have sent, nobody cares.
mclpneusi awgoyhdf wrote on April 15, 2007 4:14 AM:To the Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi January 4, 2007
I am contacting you because I had no response from the two letters I sent to Senator Harry Reid regarding the surveillance by the U.S. government and the impact it had on my life. The U.S. government spent millions of dollars to destroy my life and my business over a five-year period with their surveillance program. I think that I should be reimbursed financially for the damages, I am certain that there are other American citizens that lives have been destroyed by this witch hunt. There was no reason for this surveillance five years ago and for it to continue is a criminal act, there are laws and one of them is stocking with the intent to terrorize. My life has been destroyed I have lost everything hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue. Here is a copy of a letter that I sent to Senator Harry Reid two months ago. Why would you want to keep what you are doing a secret? your secret police or your homeland defense what ever you want to call them, the damage there are doing to innocent Americans it should be stopped I go to bed every night thinking about suicide.
to Senator Harry Reid
I am contacting you regarding a complaint that the FBI and the home land security agency has been terrorized me with their surveillance I have lost my business of 10 years because of this surveillance. I now live in Las Vegas Nevada and the harassment has not stopped they come into my home and search it every other day do you know what it feels like to come home from 10 hours of worked to find that your House has been searched by strangers most likely they have planet some type of listening devices. This is no longer a home they have destroyed it, I closed my business because of the harassment and my life is not worth living. Who wants to live like this may be in Nazi Germany or Iraq or the Soviet Union this is America. They lead the garage door open so that I know that they were here, they follow me wherever I go interfere with my business plans search through my mail most likely my phones are tapped. I have no idea why this is going on, I have nobody to call and explain that I am innocent of what? I don't know. I call the FBI and the police department and the inspector general. They told me I had to prove that this was happening, that I had to give some type of document showing that I was under surveillance. That is impossible you know that? And I know that to. No one is concerned about my civil rights or the losses that I have suffered. The loss of my business and soon to be my home all my friends are afraid to come over to my house, my children cannot believe that this is going on even though I tell them under the Patriot act they can do this. It is a violation of my privacy rights.Than are guaranteed in the Constitution so they say, how would you like the government doing that to you. How can I put a stop to this terrorism " maybe your office can help me bring this to a in. Your secret police force has to be accountable to somebody, who could live like this? Richard Bryant phone number 702-870-1542 address 409 lorenzi st 89147 today's date November 23-2006
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