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Email: Most USAs Are "Loyal Bushies"
As reported earlier on ABC News, here is the email that shows that Karl Rove was involved in the whole U.S. attorney purge scheme from the beginning of 2005.* It was released this evening by the Justice Department.
In the email, which has the subject line "Re: Question from Karl Rove," Kyle Sampson, who was then at the Justice Department, discusses with then-deputy White House Counsel David Leitch the idea of replacing "15-20 percent of the current U.S. Attorneys," because "80-85 percent, I would guess, are doing a great job, are loyal Bushies, etc."
"[I]f Karl thinks there would be policitical will to do it, then so do I," Sampson concludes.
Sampson's email was in response to Leitch's relaying of Rove's query about how the administration would handle the U.S. Attorneys. As paraphrased by Colin Newman, a legal aide in the White House counsel's office, Rove asked "how we planned to proceed regarding US Attorneys, whether we were going to allow all to stay, request resignations from all and accept only some of them, or selectively replace them, etc."
Update: The Justice Department has also released a statement from DoJ spokesperson Tasia Scolinos:
"The Attorney General has no recollection of any plan or discussion to replace U.S. Attorneys while he was still White House Counsel. The period of time referred to in the email was during the weeks he was preparing for his confirmation hearing, January 6th, 2005, and his focus was on that. Of course, discussions of changes in Presidential appointees would have been appropriate and normal White House exchanges in the days and months after the election as the White House was considering different personnel changes Administration wide."
Update: Of course, the email ought to be considered in light of the fact that it was written just before Gonzales' confirmation hearings to be the attorney general, and that Sampson frames the solution in terms of how Gonzales would deal with it. Sampson writes that "we might want to consider doing performance evaluations after Judge comes on board," referring to Gonzales becoming the AG.
Update: To answer those reader queries about whether Gonzales is the "Judge" Sampson refers to in the email -- Gonzales was a Justice of the Supreme Court of Texas before moving to D.C. to become Bush's White House counsel.
*Update: This first sentence originally read, "...here is the email that shows that the whole U.S. attorney purge scheme originated with Karl Rove," which overstated what the email shows.
Comments (452)
Anonymous wrote on March 15, 2007 7:10 PM:Loyal Bushies?
Al is a blob of mercury and the Loyal Bushies USAs are mini-blobs of mercury?
Has anyone been put to death under these mini-blobs?
We should not forget....
The Atlantic Monthly | July/August 2003
The Texas Clemency Memos, by Alan Berlow
[snip]
A close examination of the Gonzales memoranda suggests that Governor Bush frequently approved executions based on only the most cursory briefings on the issues in dispute. In fact, in these documents Gonzales repeatedly failed to apprise the governor of crucial issues in the cases at hand: ineffective counsel, conflict of interest, mitigating evidence, even actual evidence of innocence.
alasmoses wrote on March 15, 2007 7:13 PM:"The Attorney General has no recollection of any plan or discussion to replace U.S. Attorneys while he was still White House Counsel. The period of time referred to in the email was during the weeks he was preparing for his confirmation hearing, January 6th, 2005, and his focus was on that. Of course, discussions of changes in Presidential appointees would have been appropriate and normal White House exchanges in the days and months after the election as the White House was considering different personnel changes Administration wide."
It worked so well for Libby, ya know.
JC wrote on March 15, 2007 7:15 PM:If we had a functioning civil governing society, this whole crew would be impeached. This is public corruption, pure and simple.
alkali wrote on March 15, 2007 7:16 PM:Note that the e-mail acknowledges that Bush43 replaced the Clinton US attorneys just as Clinton replaced the Bush41 US attorneys. Can we bury that talking point now, please?
Richard L. Adlof wrote on March 15, 2007 7:19 PM:It is easy to fall prey to the urge to hate the human-porcine hybrid Rove(r) . . . But we shouldn't take our collective eyes off of Harriest Mired . . .
Think back to '97 and the Barnes/Gtech no-bid contract of the Texas State lottery. There was a plurge of legal folk looking into Whore-for-Hay hiding his lack of VC combat experience by awarding the contract. The person in charge of the plurge then was the troll-doll-who-would-be-queen Harriet herself.
Rove is blatantly evil. Harriet is so absurd you'd forget her if she were standing right next to you.
roooth wrote on March 15, 2007 7:21 PM:When will we finally get it?
Rove goes all the way back to Watergate, as do many of the powerplayers today. These scumbags have never loved or respected the Constitutiona and the Bill of Rights.
Until we get rid of them all. this will not stop.
jenniferholland wrote on March 15, 2007 7:24 PM:Justice says: The period of time referred to in the email was during the weeks he was preparing for his confirmation hearing, January 6th, 2005...
Newman says: I told [Rove] that [Leitch] would be on the hill all day for the Judge's hearing...
Sampson says (to Leitch, re Rove's question): Judge and I discussed briefly...
Am I correct to interpret that the Judge in question is Gonzalez? He was a judge and a justice on the Texas Supreme Court (which just makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, right?). Doesn't this email alone blow his "I know nothing" argument out of the water?
retr2327 wrote on March 15, 2007 7:27 PM:Gonzales' allegedly faulty memory is not going to help him any with the political problems this e-mail causes. In fact, it's largely irrelevant whether he remembers what he was up to, since it's now pretty much incontrovertible that he was involved, except insofar as his inability to remember it makes him look incompetent to boot.
five toed sloth wrote on March 15, 2007 7:31 PM:But it might help him avoid a charge of lying to Congress. That may be the best he can hope to accomplish at this point.
End of the week's a good time to clean out the office -
I'm missing something here. Is "Judge"=Gonzales?
johnndrama wrote on March 15, 2007 7:37 PM:Say what you want about this gang, they can be pretty smart in their evildoing.
Asking all 93 USA's to submit resignation letters, and then only accepting the ones they actually want gone is a pretty devious way to get around them just firing a certain few.
I wonder why they didn't go down that road.
Hank Essay wrote on March 15, 2007 7:38 PM:This may sound strange, but the rampant systemic corruption of this crew has really gotten too big for impeachment to cure it....It's almost like the country is in need of a NCAA-type "death penalty" violation whereby anything and everything that has happened in the past six years is expunged from all record and history books, like it never happened...
tekel wrote on March 15, 2007 7:39 PM:"The Attorney General has no recollection of any plan or discussion to replace U.S. Attorneys while he was still White House Counsel."
Sure, Abu. I bet nobody you discussed it with remembers either.
And fivetoes- yes, Judge is Abu's nickname on the inside.
kentuck wrote on March 15, 2007 7:41 PM:"I didn't do it and, anyway, the bitch deserved it.."
Yes, he was just the General Counsel. He would have had no idea what was going on with the US Attorneys..uh-huh.
They are like bowling pins, standing all pretty together, but when one falls, they will all fall.
Someone is already leaking the emails in the Justice Dept. This must be a high-priority concern for the White House about now?
Sampson is gonna sing like a canary?
Michael Lafferty wrote on March 15, 2007 7:42 PM:I know that it is not particularly substantive, but really:
"… policitical will?"
So, this individual—obviously unable to spell 'political' properly, or activate the spell-checking capabilities of his electronic mail client—was considered bright enough to be elevated to the executive staff of the Department of Justice?
They must all be a good deal more ignorant than I thought. Imagine that: a political appointee, unable to spell the word 'political.'
Jeffrey Eline wrote on March 15, 2007 7:43 PM:Tonight ABC reported that Clinton fired all the US Attorneys when he took office. First, is that true? And if so, does that make this less scandalous? Is it sort of 'normal' to have your hand selected attorneys in place?
Canuck Stuck in Muck wrote on March 15, 2007 7:43 PM:Crimes? Too easy. Impeachment? Impeachment's too good for 'em. Treason? Now, there's a charge worth leveling. These people are nothing less than treasonous sons (and, yes, daughters) of bitches.
JEP wrote on March 15, 2007 7:43 PM:If Iowa is any indicator of the loyalty factor these "Bushies", the "other" US-A's who did NOT get fired, then we may already have a laundry list of harrassment and prejudiced prosecutions right out there for the general public to peruse..
Someone may have said this already, but I seriously wonder whether the voter fraud attacks by these "Loyalists" against Democrats isn't an ironic smoke-screen to defer scrutiny away from their own electoral mis-deeds.
Is there any investigation of Rove's complicity in the New Hampshire massacre of '04?
Seems these loyalists need a lesson in democracy, I would hope they are actually honorable Americans before they are Bush loyalists, then they have no moral choice but to turn on their handlers for their constant transgressions of our Constitution.
Yaeh, right, like that's ever gonna happen...
If they were men and women of honor, they would not just kowtow to Bush's and Rove's commands.
David wrote on March 15, 2007 7:45 PM:I would greatly appreciate it if someone could produce a list of the "loyal Bushies" US attorneys whom Rove and Miers wanted to KEEP in office because they will do as they are told. Those are the IMPORTANT names!
VinHill wrote on March 15, 2007 7:47 PM:No doubt now about why Karl Rove was interested in USA's. The Newman email on Jan 6, 2005, says Rove just stopped in to ask "how we planned to proceed regarding US Attorneys." His question comes just weeks after his Grand Jury testimony before the Grand Jury (October 2004). As we can suspect, after hearing the Libby GJ tapes, Fitz put Rove through the wringer and made him see stars & jail bars. No way he ever wanted to see Fitz in court again. Any chance he saw a wholesale removal of USA's as cover to get rid of Fitzgerald?
Anonymous wrote on March 15, 2007 7:48 PM:Hank Essay's solution to expunge all Bush innovations is excellent! Now if we could just bring back to life those hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis!
EasyRider wrote on March 15, 2007 7:50 PM:Rove and Bush wanted to stop Fitz. They were willing to ask all USA (which Ftiz is one) to submit their resignations.
I wonder if DOJ professional conduct department, or what ever the name is, is conducting investigations into this corruption?
There are emails that Fitz did not see because this criminal AG censured the one provided to FITZ.
Fitz open a Grand Jury into the AG corruption now. Please punish these fools, and save our country. You are the only one with the authority and guts to take down these criminals.
Please Fitz, save our government.
Agathena wrote on March 15, 2007 7:50 PM:"It worked so well for Libby, ya know."
Exactly! The "I was too busy to remember details of issues going on around me" defense looks very bad on a resume for both a WH Chief-of-Staff and an Attorney General.
Admitting to that kind of stupidity disqualifies you for your job, so what's keepin' ya Al?
Anonymous wrote on March 15, 2007 7:51 PM:"Tonight ABC reported that Clinton fired all the US Attorneys when he took office."
Jeffry; go QUICKLY to this lnk, and your question will be immediately answered, fluently and with authority.
http://firedoglake.com
Disputo wrote on March 15, 2007 7:53 PM:VinHill, my guess from the very beginning was that the whole thing that got this ball rolling was Rove's desire to sack Fitz. Somewhere along the way he decided that that was not politically feasible and/or was unnecessary (perhaps right after he was assured he would not be indicted), and so he settled for Lam and some lessor "traitors".
Anonymous wrote on March 15, 2007 7:55 PM:From the latest FDL post...
'Over at DailyKos, regular FDL commenter litigatormom rips into this particular wrinkle of the "But Clinton did it tooooo!" whine with gusto. She points to Kyle Sampson's own words, in the January 9, 2006 e-mail he wrote to Harriet "Fire 'Em All" Miers, in which he says flat-out that Clinton DIDN'T do it:'
Sampson's email excerpt "…once confirmed by the Senate and appointed,U.S. Attorneys serve for four years and then holdover indefinitely (at the pleasure of the President, of course). In recent memory, during the Reagan and Clinton Administrations, Presidents Reagan and Clinton did not seek to remove and replace the U.S. Attorneys they had appointed whose terms had expired, but instead permitted those U.S. Attorneys to serve indefinitely under the holdover provision."
In the
Basil Exposition wrote on March 15, 2007 7:58 PM:Can't wait for the Friday afternoon document dump!
EH wrote on March 15, 2007 7:59 PM:Every statement from the administration is full of legalisms now. They've already moved on to stopping the process at resignations and avoiding criminal charges.
ohiomeister wrote on March 15, 2007 8:05 PM:Hilarious! My favorite part is that it puts Bush in a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation.
If you do fire A.G. Gonzales, you basically admit installing an unqualified crony/lackey as the nation's top law enforcement officer, AND you lose your reputation as valuing "loyalty" above all else. That will send the rats scurrying.
If you don't, you basically prove that you don't believe in the rule of law and elevate even further your claim on being the worst president in American history.
r€nato wrote on March 15, 2007 8:17 PM:well if we don't get to impeach the SOB, maybe we can inflict the death of a thousand cuts. One by one, Bush's whole team is forced to resign due to corruption uncovered by Congressional investigation. Pretty soon it's just Bush and Cheney, maybe.
Anonymous wrote on March 15, 2007 8:18 PM:Sort of puts the Clinton White House Ticket Office scandal in perspective, doesn't it?
John wrote on March 15, 2007 8:20 PM:Savor the moment guys. This show could run for weeks. I want the WH to resist a supoena for Rove and an enormous row over the issue. This is a disaster for the Republicans. Ha Ha.
apodaca wrote on March 15, 2007 8:21 PM:"The Attorney General has no recollection of any plan or discussion to replace U.S. Attorneys while he was still White House Counsel. The period of time referred to in the email was during the weeks he was preparing for his confirmation hearing, January 6th, 2005, and his focus was on that."
Well, DUH. He was enormously busy preparing for hearings on becoming head of the Justice Department, so *WHY ON EARTH* would he remember discussing mass dismissals of the most powerful Justice Department officials outside of Washington?
Yeah, sure, U.S. Attorneys were at that time positions requiring Senate confirmation of exactly the sort Gonzales was facing. And yeah, even an idiot would be thinking not just about his confirmation hearing, but also about the job itself and how to exercise that newfound power. But it's not like he'd remember things that the President's political advisor thought important, is it?
You guys are so not fair.
cvcobb01 wrote on March 15, 2007 8:24 PM:80-85% are loyal Bushies?
That's the part of the iceberg we don't see here. If the fired USAs weren't playing ball, this little statement makes one suspect that the rest were.
So Krugman's point that the NJ USA's allegations against Menedez right before the election take on a new resonance. What else are we not seeing?
carole wrote on March 15, 2007 8:24 PM:Paul, I heard you on Open Source last night. You did a great job on getting all of the important and the subtle points out. Pulitzer for the Muckrakers?
Joe mama wrote on March 15, 2007 8:28 PM:Whats the tally of Federalist Society members that are USAs? were any of the fired USA's members?
J. wrote on March 15, 2007 8:30 PM:Whoever posted the firedog link - thanks. Good info.
Rational wrote on March 15, 2007 8:30 PM:There can no longer be any doubt that every member of this administration should be impeached, tried by a jury of their peers for treason and, if convicted, sentenced appropriately.
nobody wrote on March 15, 2007 8:34 PM:All 93 USAtty positions are appointed by the current president when he takes office. It is the custom for sitting USAttys to tender their resignations when a new president takes office. The same holds true for sitting cabinet members (who served the previous president). All USAttys are appointed to a four-year term. If the current president wins re-election, their hold-over is his option; after all, they do serve at the president's pleasure. However, neither Reagan nor Clinton asked for ANY resignations during their second term. Two USAttys WERE replaced while Clinton was in office: both resigned because of self-inflicted scandals. Neither was replaced at Clinton's nor the Atty Gen's request. What BushCo has done is totally unprecedented in the country's history. Worse, he schemed to do it underhandedly, by sneaking a provision into the Patriot Act such that it could be done behind the Senate's back. And, in EVERY case, those replaced were sacked as political retribution for perceived assaults against the BushCo policies by their investigations into his illegal and quasi-legal activities and scandals.
The entire BushCo clan should be held accountable for their actions. My personal recommendation would be that they be assigned manual labor with Army issue body armor (and not other protection whatsoever) outside the green zone in Iraq -- After all, it's a success -- they said so & they own it.
Anonymous wrote on March 15, 2007 8:35 PM:The judge is Gonzalez. I have a friend who was his assistant. That is what he always refers to him as.
Sean Carman wrote on March 15, 2007 8:37 PM:I wonder what was going on here. What was their basis for thinking that 15 to 20% of U.S. Attorneys were "underperforming"? What did that mean? What did it mean that, by implication, they were not "loyal Bushies"?
Something was going on here. Was it a wholesale attempt to politicize the Justice Department by replacing all U.S. Attorneys with more radically conservative replacements? Did they have a list of U.S. Attorneys they wanted to fire was back in Fall 2005?
It's strange. Why the focus on replacing all U.S. Attorneys?
By the way, I'm not sure the theory that they wanted to derail Fitzgerald makes sense. He was appointed as an independent counsel. Even a new U.S. Attorney in his home office would not have been able to fire him.
nobody wrote on March 15, 2007 8:40 PM:All USAttys are on a fast-track towards political office and/or the federal judiciary. THAT is why is was important to BushCo that "non-Bushies" be weeded out.
SteinL wrote on March 15, 2007 8:43 PM:It certainly is a peculiar version of Democracy that the Bushies have been so eager to export to the rest of the world, purple fingers and all.
Must confess that I had hoped Bush's last two years in office would bring him some Karmic retribution, but this is starting to look like the avalanche that will never stop.
BTW - though there are no weapons involved, what they have done to the justice system is actually a lot more serious than the war on Iraq. They have, and the evidence looks incontrovertible, sought to subvert the right to due process to the point of fascism.
But that's Republicans for you - never satisfied with having won a 51% victory they want to rig a 100% hold on power. (And yes, I do now that they won in ways that are deeply questionable).
Rove has got to be the dirtiest operator ever. An absolute disgrace. When the truth of all his shenanigans come out, then he'll make McCarthy look like an angel - I swear.
Sean Carman wrote on March 15, 2007 8:45 PM:OK, that makes sense. They wanted to use their last two years to weed out the "non-Bushies" and put in people they hadn't yet done favors for, such as Griffin, the former Rove aid they installed in Arkansas.
Presumably they could then appoint these people into judgeships near the end of Bush's term, thereby further politicizing the judiciary.
nobody wrote on March 15, 2007 8:48 PM:Rove has got to be the dirtiest operator ever. An absolute disgrace. When the truth of all his shenanigans come out, then he'll make McCarthy look like an angel - I swear.
Posted by: SteinL
Karl Rove is Joseph Goebbels reincarnated, complete with fascist philosophy.
r wrote on March 15, 2007 8:49 PM:Somebody help me out.
I read the email. If Rove was thinking about firing all 93 in Jan 2005, isn't that what he should've been thinking about? Clinton did it at the start of his term, 41 also.
I guess I don't see the email as damning. What seems damning is how the stories aren't straight and how the contradictions in the administration's stance is so diffuse -
"we'd never politicze the choices," yet they rate USA's on loyalty, and they use the Patriot act to sneak them in past confirmation procedures
If you argued that the GWOT is the issue the fired USA's were let go for, then what's with all the voter fraud garbage? What was the primary reason - voter fraud or the GWOT? Makes no sense.
Gonzales says he knew nothing of it, yet his chief of staff inquired into the firings for 2 years! Which is he, clueless or lying?
If they didn't prosecute voter fraud, we still haven't gotten any damn details on which frauds, which candidates! If it turns out that it's voter fraud by Dems and too much heat on Repubs, then this is an enormous deal. Until now, I have't heard much on this part of it.
It seems that there might be two waves involved - the first, natural wave at the start of every term where mass firings are typical. Rove and Gonzales and Sampson and Meiers seem to have been certainly involved in this.
But the second wave is the 8 fired 2 years later.
If there was no gap between these 2 waves, then it seems problematic, but isn't it possible that there were two separate occassions, in which case the real scandal wouldn't be Rove or even Gonzales' Jan 2005 involvement - but their lying about being involved in the first wave in the first place?
It's tricky because Bush gets to hire and fire as he chooses. So far, there are these odd issues of contradiction and the vagueness - Gonzales - did he know about Sampson's involvement, the overt politicization when Honest Al said he'd never do so, etc.
But thus far it seems just typical Bush - Texas redistricts once every 10 years, but Delay breaks unspoken tradition and does it as he wishes; tradition has it that USA's are fired at the start, but Bush does it as he sees fit; State is usually involved in diplomacy and nation building, but the Pentagon will take over; etc etc.
It's the Imperial Presidency, the unhindered Chief Executive, just another example. But I don't see the flames of illegality yet, just a ton of smoke.
R
nobody wrote on March 15, 2007 8:52 PM:Remember, too, that one of the fired USAttys, Carol Lam of CA, was responsible for the newly appointed Porter Goss having to resign as head of the CIA.
nobody wrote on March 15, 2007 8:58 PM:It is NOT typical that USAttys are replaced when a president wins reelection. Rather, the norm is that they continue their terms for another 4 years. This was true of Reagan & Clinton (Of course, Bush41 never won a 2nd term, nor did Carter before Reagan).
r wrote on March 15, 2007 9:00 PM:ok, thanks to ... nobody (!).
Good point.
But can't we then just say that this is the Imperial Presidency, again? And not some unethical action?
The real problem is their lying about being caught being so brazenly political, not the actual deed.
Agree?
Sean Carman wrote on March 15, 2007 9:00 PM:The scandal revolves around why they were being replaced.
Working backwards, we know McKay in Seattle and the guy in Arizona, whom Domenici called about, were let go for purely partisan reasons -- their refusal to investigate or indict Democrats. So that's an abuse of power, getting rid of prosecutors because they won't engage in partisan prosecutions.
Carol Lam was probably let go to stop the Abramoff investigation. The May 11 e-mail from Samson says they have to have her replacement in line right away due to their "real problem" with her, and this comes on the same day her office announces her investigation has spread to a second Republican Congressman.
The installation of Griffin in Arkansas looks like unseemly political patronage -- getting rid of a good U.S. attorney to put in a Rove syncophant.
If you go all the way back to 2005, it's true there's not necessarily anything improper about Rove's inquiry.
But I think it's hard to believe that this initial inquiry, which eventually morphed into the partisan and improper firings we know about, with the input of Miers and others in the White House, wasn't monitored by Rove as it developed.
Also, this e-mail is damning because it contradicts the White House claim that Rove and Gonzalez didn't know anything about the firings, and their suggestion today that the whole thing was the unsupervised work of Sampson and Miers.
r wrote on March 15, 2007 9:03 PM:Hm, if it is NOT typical upon reelection, then it seems that this would be a way of saying that what I called wave 1 and 2 were really the start and ending points on their political timeline.
So then the email IS helpful, because the 2nd term firings are the end result of Rove's brainstorm to maximize Bush's reach.
it seems more likely then that Rove is entangled, then, into this.
Plus, the white house denied, initially, his involvement. Again, the problem is their attempt to hide their brazen power grab, not the actual deed.
cromulant wrote on March 15, 2007 9:06 PM:"...faithfully uphold...Preserve, Protect and Defend.." the Constitution.
If that means anything, then Congress needs to act now.
Sean Carman wrote on March 15, 2007 9:08 PM:r --
Yes, I think that's it exactly.
Also, keep in mind the documents released early this week were clearly not everything, and contained a bunch of duplicate e-mails and memos, to make it look like a bigger release of documents than it really was. A classic tactic. It was apparent there was more to come, as this leak confirms it.
There's more out there. We're going to find out that Rove and Gonzalez were knee deep in this. They were probably fielding calls from disgruntled Republicans and adding names to the list.
r wrote on March 15, 2007 9:09 PM:Sean:
Good points. One thing I had missed somehow - the 'real' reason quote about Lam. Yes, Josh has been solicitous to remind us that hers is the really serious one, because it is not only partisan, but truly wrong, stopping the prosecution of a fellow Republican.
I guess the 'real' reason quote - that was left unsaid, right? We're inferring this was the point. But if you're right that this was the very day that Duke was the day of announcing a second congressman (and Duke is that second one), then you bet, this is BIG NEWS. Gonzales MUST go if this is the case.
Again, your last point - it contradicts the position that Gonzales didn't know anything. And if it is unusual to fire en masse for the second term, it'd be VERY ODD that Alberto wouldn't remember a conversation about it. I was trying to see if the "Al doesn't remember because he was preparing for his new job" defense. But if this power grab was so atypical, he'd remember, and he really is a liar.
jan wrote on March 15, 2007 9:13 PM:ahhh...the glove (my code) ...now we're all talking about the attorney purge...which all pres's do. that's gooood,and Iraq rages on..
nobody wrote on March 15, 2007 9:14 PM:The reason this came up back in 2005 is because Rove was looking for a way to neutralize the investigation into the Plame affair by USAtty Patrick Fitzgerald.
lestatdelc wrote on March 15, 2007 9:15 PM:"So then the email IS helpful, because the 2nd term firings are the end result of Rove's brainstorm to maximize Bush's reach."
Exactly r. And as Sean Carman up-thread notes, the underlying "why" is crucial, more so than the how. Their mendacity to cover up the why (obstruct justice, patronage, etc.) and how (unusual firings) has led them to lie to Congress (crime) about the how.
lestatdelc wrote on March 15, 2007 9:16 PM:Posted by: nobody
Dunno about that... Fitz was a special prosecutor and firing shuffling the US Attorney's have no bearing on that.
mbbsdphil wrote on March 15, 2007 9:16 PM:The "reviews" being discussed by Sampson, et al, is NOT about reviewing the USA's performance as litigators, or managers of their budgets, people or relations with federal judges, defense counsel, federal or local law enforcement, or the press.
There is an elaborate existing process for that. Iglesias and Lam's people apparently went through it with high marks. Kevin Ryan in SFO apparently got very low marks.
No, the "review" language Sampson and others use is code for something else, which did not consider the substantive reviews. Ryan, for instance, was not on the "low marks" list until later. As many readers suspect, Sampson and others are rating the USA's willingness to use the offices for corrupt electoral purposes.
As commentators have pointed out, this disrupts the entire system, and could taint thousands of cases, those completed and those in process. Defense counsel have an obligation to consider whether politics played a corrupt part in the convictions of their clients. Unscrupulous ones will twist it further. The resulting melee could could cost federal taxpayers tens or hundreds of millions of dollars in delayed, reviewed, retried or tossed out cases. On the government side, that affects time and budgets of prosecutors, judges, support staff, FBI and local law enforcement, ad nauseum.
This is not a small problem or one limited to "personnel matters". It is a matter of potentially gross corruption.
Tsop wrote on March 15, 2007 9:18 PM:"But I don't see the flames of illegality yet, just a ton of smoke." - R
The three top dogs at Justice lied about the purge under Oath. That is a good place to start as far as the illegal part goes.
C wrote on March 15, 2007 9:18 PM:I agree with R--it seems, so far, to be merely typical Bush behavior. If this is going to center on the question of why the USA's were being replaced, they can, uh, lie.
Julian Kryl wrote on March 15, 2007 9:19 PM:The claim that Gonzalez wouldn't remember that in the middle of preparing his confirmation testimony the White House inquired about firing all 93 U.S. Attorneys is not credible.
One of the Attorney General's principal functions is to coordinate the work of the U.S. Attorneys. That's what the Executive Office of U.S. Attorneys does, and it's one of the principal offices under the AG's control. If the White House was thinking of replacing all 93 of them, wholesale, and someone mentioned this to Gonzalez in the run-up to his confirmation, it's really impossible to believe he would not remember it.
Also, can we really believe that after an incident like that he wouldn't keep himself in the loop on where those discussions led? Rove inquires about firing ALL U.S. 93 attorneys, and Gonzalez just drops the ball and insulates himself from any further discussion of that idea, even as it proceeds and morphs into the partisan firing of 8 U.S. Attorneys?
Simply not credible.
SteinL wrote on March 15, 2007 9:21 PM:It appears a little structuring is in order.
Here's the problem:
1. A number of USAs were performing to Rove's satisfaction, helping Republicanism turn into Fascism.
2. A number of USAs could be goaded into toeing the line with a little (maybe not so gentle) prodding. They may not have been willing to march in lockstep, but they did turn up the heat on Dems, while putting up parasols over Republicans.
3. A smaller number were dismissed, as it was apparent they were unwilling to provide shade as ordered. False charges of "underperformance" were given as reasons for their dismissal, charges that have been shown to be engineered for "truth".
4. An even smaller number were gotten rid of because they were holding a blowtorch to the metaphorical feet of Republicanism. And in this category I do not discount the possibility that the "big sweep dismissal option" was intended to get rid of Fitz. Instead it did manage to bag Lam -- and served as a gentle reminder to USAs in categories 2 and 3 that it was worth it to remember who was holding their future in their hands.
What should be investigated here?
The instances of abuse of power for partisan political ends leading to a subversion of fairness before the law.
It doesn't really matter whether Clinton fired all or none at the start of his presidency. We are dealing with who got fired, and who learned to march well, far into the Bush presidency.
And just to remind everyone: Rove knows exactly what it took to win in 2004 -- which is why he wanted a purge of those USAs who might forget in which direction the blowtorches were supposed to point.
r wrote on March 15, 2007 9:23 PM:jan-
I'm not sure I get your post, but if you're trying to say that focusing on the USA's and not the war is a distraction, I couldn't disagree more.
In our own personal lives, we have all kinds of worries, they don't come one at a time. This is true a fortiori with a nation of 300 million people in a time of war!
Besides, you know damn well that Bush would say it's necessary for the GWOT (somehow), and that he himself thinks his power grab is a unity, a single principle with many facets. And if George would think it related, shouldn't you?
lestatdelc wrote on March 15, 2007 9:26 PM:"I'm not sure I get your post, but if you're trying to say that focusing on the USA's and not the war is a distraction, I couldn't disagree more.
Posted by: r"
Agreed, and to put a clumsy sort of coda to it, I would simply remind people that Al Capone was brought down on tax evasion, not on being an underworld mob boss. If we can nail Gonzo and Rove for this instead of the larger crimes of war and legalizing torture, wantless wiretaps, etc. I will take it for now.
Julian Kryl wrote on March 15, 2007 9:31 PM:We're at sort of a small historic moment here. Rorbacher (sp?) just came out for Gonzalez' resignation, and an unnamed Republican strategist says Gonzalez is "finished."
A story that first broke on a political blog (this one) is about to bring down the Attorney General.
Robin Boerner wrote on March 15, 2007 9:33 PM:When will we finally get it?
Rove goes all the way back to Watergate, as do many of the powerplayers today. These scumbags have never loved or respected the Constitutiona and the Bill of Rights.
Until we get rid of them all. this will not stop.
Posted by: roooth
Date: March 15, 2007 07:21 PM
The ones that don't go as far back as Watergate go to the Iran Contra Scandal. This administration cut it's teeth on being criminals on the public dole.
mbbsdphil wrote on March 15, 2007 9:33 PM:The scariest development for Bush, Rove, Cheney, and so on, is the idea that the "dam could burst". The professional bureaucrats they've pissed on for six years for doing their jobs, and upholding the law and their agencies' missions may be seeing light at the end of the RoveCheney tunnel.
No matter the political commissars Mr. Bush has installed, all of them have memories, careers, computer hard drives and paper files. Perhaps the bridge Mr. Cheney has burnt is the drawbridge he would use to go back into hiding in his White House castle, not the one between the Constitution and the people.
nobody wrote on March 15, 2007 9:33 PM:One other point here about the emails showing up. Some of them are using addresses that are outside the DoJ and WH official domains. This is illegal. It is a violation of the Presidential Records Act.
r wrote on March 15, 2007 9:33 PM:mbbddsphil (I think):
"There is an elaborate existing process for that. Iglesias and Lam's people apparently went through it with high marks. Kevin Ryan in SFO apparently got very low marks."
Whoa. I didn't hear that one yet either. So when they say they got low performance marks, they ARE NOT talking about the job itself? it's code? NOBODY has mentioned this before.
How sure are you of this? Anyone? This shifts the debate for me quite a bit - because then if job perf. doesn't line up with political perf., and we've got emails elaborating on this beyond the ones we've seen on the loyal 80% (or 85% what was it?) -
this is pretty key for me.
Mr Blifil wrote on March 15, 2007 9:37 PM:I wonder if Karl still thinks the joke about lying down under the airplane tires is funny.
hibiscus wrote on March 15, 2007 9:38 PM:and to think, this is one department, in a very large bureaucratic iceberg.
r wrote on March 15, 2007 9:39 PM:nobody:
Re: the outside emails. Right, right - almost forgot that tidbit.
Now THAT I imagine is a smoking gun - clear evidence of attempting to hide one's tracks. This really should be followed up - I bet that there's a ton of material in these outside emails.
Nice touch again. Is there only one Nobody? Whichever... credit where it's due...
nobody wrote on March 15, 2007 9:41 PM:Carol Lam's official performance review was flawless. It is her "loyalty" review on which she got low marks. Her investigation and prosecution of Cunningham was spreading fast, undermined BushCo's appointment of Goss as the new head of the CIA, and threatened (potentially) as least 20 republican members of Congress -- no to mention all the hangers-on.
Disputo wrote on March 15, 2007 9:49 PM:"Fitz was a special prosecutor and firing shuffling the US Attorney's have no bearing on that."
Fitz was (and is) the US Atty for Northern IL *while* while he served as special prosecutor for the Plame-outing investigation. Dismissing him from his US Atty job would not have meant that he was automatically dismissed from his SP role, but at the very least it would have undermined his investigation, and most likely it would have been used by the GWB admin as an excuse to ease him out of his SP job (eg, "We need to have another US Atty take over; can't have a civilian handling this delicate matter").
nobody wrote on March 15, 2007 9:51 PM:Sadly, there is only one "nobody" . . . . I tried to tell people how corrupt BushCo was back when Poppa was still a VP and only "nobody" believed me. I knew all the major players then. They have not improved with age.
;o( (a tear, not a wink)
anonymous wrote on March 15, 2007 9:51 PM:Is this a joke? There were discussions about replacing up to 20% of USAs, and the guy who was gonna be Attorney General didn't notice it because he was busy cramming for hearings?
This isn't the cleaning staff they're talking about. These are the US Attorneys. These guys are key people in each of their regions.
This is like the head of HHS saying "oh, really? They were talking about socializing medicine, and I'm cc'd on the emails? Uh, I didn't really pay attention, I was busy cramming for my hearings."
This is like the head of Defense saying, "oh, really? They were talking about firing my top generals? Uh, I didn't really pay attention, I was cramming for my hearings."
This excuse is pathetic. It's insulting. It's simply transparent and totally implausible.
Al in Austex wrote on March 15, 2007 9:51 PM:Please can the entire TPM Crew Stand & Take a Bow
TheraP wrote on March 15, 2007 9:52 PM:Josh , Paul , and all the rest of You Guys- started this whole ball of corruptin busting rolling. This Blog is now routinely quoted by the MSM . Keith Olbermann at least gives you the credit .
We at the very least will bring down Rove , & Gonzo with whats just on the table now.
Heres a question for the LegalEagles - Could a special prosecutor - (paging Fitzgerald ) takeover the Lam and any other pending investigations that BushCo shut down with the USA purge ?
SteinL:
Loved your description!
I am sending this out to a small group - attributed to you. It is priceless!
Wish you well!
Richard L. Adlof wrote on March 15, 2007 9:52 PM:Forgive me . . . I've lost track . . . Have we gotten to the point where Bush 43 says either:
"I did not have sex with that woman."
OR
"I am not a crook."
Anonymous wrote on March 15, 2007 9:54 PM:Here’s an OCR of the PDF of one of Rove’s emails; lost easier to cut and paste references from…
Sampson, Kyle
From: Sampson. Kyle
Sent Sunday, January 09. 2005 7:34 PM
To: David G. Lejbch@who.eop.gov`
Subject: RE: Question from Karl Rove
Judge and I discussed briefly a couple of weeks ago. My thoughts are:
1. As a legal matter, U.S. Attorneys serve a 4-year term and may holdover iaflefinately thereafter (all at the pleasure of the President, of course). None of the President’s U.S. Attorney appointees have served a full term yet — the first were confirmed in September 2001, and many were confirmed during the ia months thereafter. Although they serve at the pleasure of the President, it would be weird to ask them to leave before completing at least a 4-year term.
2. As an historical matter, U.S. Attorneys served at least until the expiration of their 4-year term, even where an election changed the party in power — until President Clinton fired the Bush41-appointed U.S. attorneys in 1993, nearly all of whom were in the midst of their 4-year terms. In 2001, President Bush43 fired the Clinton-appointed U.S. Attorneys, some of whom were in the middle of a 4-year term, but many of whom had completed their 4-year terms and were serving in holdover status.
3. As an operational matter, we would like to replace 15-20 percent of the current U.S. Attorneys — the underperforming ones.
(This is a rough guess; we might want to consider doing performance evaluations after Judge comes on board.) The vast majority of U.S. Attorneys, 80-85 percent, I would guess, are doing a great job, are loyal Bushies, etc., etc. Due to the history, it would certainly send ripples through the U.s. Attorney community if we told folks they got one term only (as a general matter, the Reagan U.S. Attorneys appointed in 1981 stayed on through the entire Reagan Administration; Bush41 even had to establish that Reagan-appointed U.S. Attorneys would not be permitted to continue on through the Bush41 Administration) — indeed, even performance evaluations likely would create ripples, though this wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing.
4. As a political matter, each of our U.S. Attorneys has been recommended by one or more political leaders in their home State. I suspect that when push comes to shove, home-State Senators likely would resist wholesale (or even piecemeal) replacement of U.S. Attorneys they recommended (see Senator Hatch and the Utah U.S. Attorney). That said, if Karl thinks there would be political will to do it, then so do I.
—–Original Message—–
Prom: David G. Leitch�who.eop.gov jmailto:David G. Leitch@who.eop.gov
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:34 PM
To: Sampson, Kyle
Subject: Fw: Question from Karl Rove
Let’s discuss
—– original Message—–
From: Newman, Colin
To: Leitch, David G. Sent: Thu Jan 06 12:30:1~
2005
Subject: Question from Karl Rove
David — Karl Rove stopped by to ask you (roughly quoting) “how we planned to proceed regarding US Attorneys, whether we were going to allow all to stay, request resignations from all and accept only some of them, or selectively replace them, etc.” I told him that you would be on the hill all day for the Judge’s hearing, and he said the matter was not urgent. Please let me know if you have any questions.
SeeDee wrote on March 15, 2007 9:57 PM:Thanks, -COlin
Colin M. Newman
Office of counsel to the President (202)456-5887
Uh...r...your reference to an 'un-HINDERED' executive...I assume you meant to say an 'un-HINGED executive'...right??
It is fairly obvious at this point that Karl, Harriet, Alberto and several GOP Congressional biggies were involved in the attempt to politicize the U.S. judicial system to the point that our system of 'checks and balances' (already teetering because of hype based on phony requirements for national security) would be dealt a fatal blow.
Bush is such a power-hungry, Hitler-like personage (look at his 'loyalty' demands) that he thinks any crime is excusable as long as it advances his ideas.
And the national press, largely in sympathy with AIPAC aims, is ready to give this affair a lot of front page space...as long as it diverts the public from the abject surrender of recently elected Democrats on the Iraq issue.
Paraphrasing someone from the past: "God, how this poor nation has been governed this past ten years!"
JEP (John Edward Patterson) wrote on March 15, 2007 9:58 PM:Josh and gang, these OCR versions of the Rovian emails are alot easier to cut and paste from, anytime you want something converted to an OCR, let me know and I'll transorm it for you.
northzax wrote on March 15, 2007 10:09 PM:two things:
first, who is dumb enough to put all this crap in emails? come on, you never send emails, they can be leaked or subpeonad. idiots.
Second, I may be thinking too much like some sort of evil genius, but I see the potential for another tack Rove could have been looking at. These particular USAs may simply be part of a bigger plan to totally politicize the position. Right after winning a second term, Rove and minions were forced to face the fact that, in four years, someone else would be in charge. If you politicize the position by appointing hacks galore, you accomplish two things: 1: you make this 'normal' making every appontment by the next President in 09 is inherently suspicious, since everyone knows that USAs are simply political favours to hand out. Once you have that, any investigations by USAs your successor appoints you can automatically claim are biased and politically motivated. Worked for the Independant Counsel, right? why not go down a level and tag the USAs as well?
or am I just paranoid?
nobody wrote on March 15, 2007 10:11 PM:FYI: It was Papa Bush who was the WH mastermind of Iran/Contra, not Reagan. Reagan's effectiveness after the assassination attempt was greatly diminished. The background cogs pretty much ran things their own way with Bush pre-41 as their effective leader.
A quote from a very well known attorney associated with the aftermath of Iran/Contra: "North's a good Marine: never had an original thought in his entire life." -- funny, but also quite pathetic. And very indicative of the type of people BushCo recruit to carry out their schemes.
Mike Murphy wrote on March 15, 2007 10:19 PM:A USA not fired (dog that did not bark?) down here in Georgia:
SeeDee wrote on March 15, 2007 10:19 PM:http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/031107/opinion_20070311034.shtml
Press coverage since the USA 'purge' story broke?
How much have we heard the last three days of the Sunni 'insurgents' move to Diyali from Baghdad? Are the latest ten dead U.S. Servicemen of little import?
What happened to the coverage of 'a probable pardon' for Libby.
How come virtually no commentary on the miserable receptions accorded OUR U.S.A. President in Brazil, Uruguay, Colombia, Guatemala and Mexico?
Maybe this USA story is just a 'diversion' that got out of hand.
But I do second the plaudits for TPM for some first-rate journalistic persistence in bringing the matter to light.
powwow500 wrote on March 15, 2007 10:39 PM:SteinL got it exactly right:
"And just to remind everyone: Rove knows exactly what it took to win in 2004 -- which is why he wanted a purge of those USAs who might forget in which direction the blowtorches were supposed to point."
TPM and crew should stand up and take a bow as a previous commentor said. Really great reporting. And I'm finding the comments here are exceptionally smart. Not a lot of "Fitz!" "Jane!" though I love them both.
I sense a real storm that is going to flood this Administration, drown some of them, and leave others high and dry. Katrina revenge, eh?
Geoff Potter wrote on March 15, 2007 10:41 PM:Imagine the irony of this. The White House just got done with slogging through the ugly trial of Scooter Libby, where one of the primary issues in the case became the now-famous Cheney statement regarding whether or not the Administration would not "sacrifice the guy who was asked to stick his neck out" - Libby - to "protect one staffer" - Rove.
Now, not a week later, Rove is going to cost the Administration another senior official, and this time it's the devil who resides on President Bush's shoulder.
Obviously, these are the consequences of letting Rove gerrymander the country for six years. But even if you could get away with keeping Gonzalez at Justice - and that seems unlikely - at this point doesn't it just make more sense to ditch Rove? With his name constantly coming up in these major scandals - they've graduated from an ExecBranch staffer lying to a grand jury and the FBI to sworn cabinet officials lying to Congress - is it not better to take the snake off at the head?
I think the answer is yes, but I think the President is far too myopic to understand that. I'm not even convinced he'll fire Gonzalez, despite that being The Only Option.
pj wrote on March 15, 2007 10:47 PM:Josh. I know I should keep an open mind about these things, but why are you running an ad for Coulter's free articles? Is this a freedom of speech thing, bottom line, or just know thine enemy?
SteinL wrote on March 15, 2007 10:50 PM:@pj - I see your point re. Coulter, but the thought of her financing TPM puts a smile on my face.
I think I'll click her ad, that will send some money out of her purse and into the TPM crew's.
kentuck wrote on March 15, 2007 10:54 PM:If there was a logical explanation, we would have been told it by now. However, this White House would prefer to lie even when it is advantageous for them to tell the truth. Why?
If they cannot offer a simple and truthful explanation, we must assume they do not have one. More than anything, George W Bush wants to be in control of everything. That is why he demands "loyalty" from all his supporters. If he is betrayed by even one, his kingdom is lost.
And that would be so tragic, since he has worked so hard at creating and buying his kingdom. He is the "decider", didn't you know?
If the promise of power does not attain the loyalty he wishes, then he will offer money - tons and tons of money. The Treasury is his because he is the Commander in Chief.
Never in the annals of history, not even Nazi Germany, has a leader consolidated his power over so many branches of government in such a short time. His waking moments are not spent on trivial matters such as what he might do to help people or to make this a better country, he lies awake thinking of how he can consolidate more power to himself. After all, it is much easier if you are a dictator...
Amos Anan wrote on March 15, 2007 11:13 PM:Why are these disclosures - directly from "top administration officials" - happening?
JMM made the point shortly after the first e-mail dump that there must be some reason the Bush group would release information so damning (and on a Monday yet). Marshall suggested there was likely much more incriminating information not released. This ABC News item represents another revelation released directly from the DoJ. It points even higher up on the Bush group pecking order to Gonzales and Rove - one step from Bush.
Again, why are these disclosures happening? This is the most secretive American government in my lifetime and it's now making damaging disclosures about itself. And these aren't coming from fed up disgruntled civil servants. They're fully approved. Something must have triggered this. But what?
The only thing I can think of that's happened recently that might relate is the guilty verdict for Libby and the calls for a pardon. Maybe Libby has sent a message to the Bush people that things had better not be left to chance for him or he'll begin to sing. This could be a Bush response to Libby that they're willing to take the heat as long as they think they can control it with a few "bad apple" "mistakes were made" resignations.
The Libby link seems a stretch but something triggered this Bush group move towards chess piece sacrifices. At this point in time even Rove is expendable. It's not as if there's any election to win for Bush and being branded a highest level political dirty trickster is not exactly a black mark on Rove's resumé. A Rove resignation take down would have adversaries whooping it up and maybe even satisfied.
Something has happened and it seems to me to likely be some threat from someone with strong insider information. Maybe it's Libby. Maybe it's a DoJ insider. But something has to be squeezing these people something fierce for them to react this way. Has someone got a solid dirty link to Bush?
Jim Lees wrote on March 15, 2007 11:29 PM:Just in case anyone forgets -- it is a "loyal bushie" who has imprisoned two border patrol agents and a deputy sheriff for doing their jobs! It forces me to wonder who's idea that was.
FatKat wrote on March 15, 2007 11:30 PM:If Gonzales did harm as AG, the bigger question should be What harm if any did he do while AG of Texas? Loyal to the law or loyal to Bush in Texas?
Hummmm? just a question
ivan wrote on March 15, 2007 11:46 PM:I also wonder, like Amos Anan, why these disclosures are happening. I have seen at least one reference on the MSM to the Bush Admin trying to "get ahead" of the story by disclosing information. This is typical damage control, it gives them some control, and it keeps issues from becoming overblown. But I don't think I've seen the Bush Admin do it to this extent before. This last email that has a buried reference to Rove -- was this a mistake? That's all I can think. They are trying to cherry-pick the damage control and they blew it. Any other ideas?
pdt wrote on March 15, 2007 11:53 PM:I don't see any smoking gun in this email. It's not at all unusual for an executive to ask for letters of resignation from all his/her assistants, then accept only a few. It's the same thing as firing without cause, letting someone go without having to tell them directly why. I think the style is cowardly, like firing someone by email, but it is unfortunately widely done.
So based on this email alone Rove's question seems innocuous, unless in some other email he indicated using it to go after particular high-performing US Attorneys. We need something much more solid to hang Rove on.
The real scandal here thus far, is the idea of firing US Attorneys and replacing them without Senate confirmation. That's what would allow Gonzalez to appoint people without professional histories, political operatives who would be there simply to prosecute Dems and ignore Republican corruption.
Kathryn wrote on March 16, 2007 12:16 AM:The key is the firing of Carol Lam and her continued investigation of the Duke Cunningham scandal. It doesn't stop with him. Think fake military contractors, republican votes to steer our tax dollars into their pockets, and kickbacks up the wazoo to the republican party. That's where things will lead if they dig deep enough. And don't get me started on Bushco firing the US Attorney of Guam who was investigating Abramoff's involvement w/their sweatshops and child sex industry in the Marianas Islands.
casam wrote on March 16, 2007 12:28 AM:This seems to be connected;
{snip}
The phony "non-partisan" GOP front-group calling themselves the "American Center for Voting Rights" (ACVR), created in 2005 for nothing more than to facilitate the White House/Karl Rove "voter fraud" schemes, seems to have suddenly gone missing!
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4276#more-4276
garhaneg wrote on March 16, 2007 1:25 AM:Why is your executive part of government conducting its affairs with such deliberate incompetence, falling over itself to ask if it can do what is regularly done, having the Senate excluded from being involved when it is up to the executive anyhow to confirm, reappoint, and terminate all these appointments, and writing e mails to itself that contain little items clearly written to deceive readers who are not part of the in group.
bill the brit wrote on March 16, 2007 3:16 AM:A prominent observer who had long been part of the innermost security oversight recently warned or at least noted the possibility of a sort of coup preceded by an arranged "terrorist" outrage. At the time this reader thought this was a fantasy. But this sort of "attack me I am helpless" material that is being produced by the executive is very worrisome. It may be a way to play poker, but it is one hell of a way to run a country.
I read the email. If Rove was thinking about firing all 93 in Jan 2005, isn't that what he should've been thinking about? Clinton did it at the start of his term, 41 also.
nobody wrote on March 16, 2007 4:21 AM:Shouldn't take a foreigner to give you a lesson in recent American history: GWBs term began in Jan 2001, not Jan 2005
Clinton replaced all the USAttys when he came into office in Jan '93. He did NOT replace ANY when he won reelection in '96. Bush replaced ALL of the USAttys when he came into office in Jan 2001. No one has any problem with that. It's normal operating procedure.
What is NOT normal is that BushCo (including Rove, Miers & Gonzales, et al) were NOT happy with some of their USAtty choices: Patrick Fitzgerald and Carol Lam being the worst because they were both investigating serious scandals that could HURT the White House.
Rove's idea of dumping the ALL in 2006 was him searching for a way to justify getting rid of the ones who would not bow to political pressure. The thing is USAttys are NOT supposed to bow to political pressure -- they represent the Constitution & the Rule of Law -- not the president's political agenda.
The normal process of replacing a USAtty involves names being proposed by the elected officials of the area they represent (i.e., the states' senators and representatives), the White House then choses from the proposed names, then the senate holds hearings and confirms the nomination. BushCo needed to bypass this process in order to hide their true motive for wanting replacements.
So, they added language to the Patriot Act, allowing themselves to bypass the process, then they got rid of the 8 USAttys who annoyed them, and here we are with another BushCo scandal.
KiP wrote on March 16, 2007 5:00 AM:What I want to know is who are these Democrats being investigated in NM?KiP
JGabriel wrote on March 16, 2007 5:20 AM:ivan: "I also wonder, like Amos Anan, why these disclosures are happening. I have seen at least one reference on the MSM to the Bush Admin trying to "get ahead" of the story by disclosing information. This is typical damage control, it gives them some control, and it keeps issues from becoming overblown. But I don't think I've seen the Bush Admin do it to this extent before."
You're right. As I've seen this question several times here now, this is why:
1) Democratic Congress. Where 'the Bushies' (love that Sampson used that term) could previously rely on a Republic Congress to ignore unanswered questions and avoid subpoenas, they can no longer do so. Which leads to...
2) New WH Counsel, Fred Fielding. Rather than the usual inexperienced toady, Fielding actually has experience in this position, having held it under Reagan. The document dumps came at Fielding's recommendation.
NYT has a semi-puff profile of Fielding here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/16/washington/16fielding.html
I suspect that if these document dumps continue, or if anything more damaging comes out of them, that we'll see the standard 'Republican In Name Only' attacks and calls for his replacement. I give it a week.
Fielding has been very silent with respect to the press, even refusing to comment for the NYT piece. Whether he's a complete Bush loyalist remains to be seen, though it's obviously likely.
However, it is possible, even with all Fielding must have seen in the Reagan administration, that even he's shocked by the sheer behind the scenes corruption of the Bush administration.
In any case, I suspect he's part of the old guard Bushies, in there to save Junior's hide and protect the Bush 'legacy' rather than Junior's loyalists. If so, then anyone - even Rove - is expendable as long as W. and the family interests are preserved.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see how this plays out.
RickS wrote on March 16, 2007 7:10 AM:If Rove had no problem firing these attorneys, despite their excellent perfomance reviews, throwing them to the wind because they are not "loyal" enough to prosecute Dems on trumped up voter fraud charges, then it is only logical that he'd have no problem utilizing NSA data gained from the Patriot Act survellance program to throw to the "loyal Bushie" USAs. And no problem throwing dregded up dirt from that program to the media. If anyone had any doubt, Big Brother has arrived.
Deadeye Dick Cheney wrote on March 16, 2007 7:37 AM:Someone ought to match up the timelines of the US Attorneys against the timeline of the Scooter Libby affair. Perhaps by firing all 93 USAs, they could have 'camouflaged' the real purpose, which may have included derailing Carol Lam, but may, as well, have included derailing Patrick Fitzgerald.
Keith Roberts wrote on March 16, 2007 9:39 AM:I would like the newly replaced 8 Prosecuters to step down, or call themselves Un-American.
505 wrote on March 16, 2007 10:25 AM:KiP--biggest rumored target is former NM Senate leader Manny Aragon. I don't believe it's anyone closely associated with Governor (and presidential candidate) Richardson, if that's what anyone's thinking.
Steve Hendricks wrote on March 16, 2007 11:06 AM:A couple of points I don't see noted above, perhaps because they're so obvious.
First, it strikes me that this entire flap stems from the same wellspring as efforts to politicize virtually every function in the Executive Branch. We're seen it with intelligence agencies, the EPA and other agencies supposedly devoted to providing policy guidance based on scientific research, FEMA, military policy, etc. etc.
As odd as it sounds, it appears that Ashcroft may not have been sufficiently compliant in doing the same thing to the Justice Department. (McKay, the fired USAtty in Seattle, hinted as much in an interview yesterday.) Installing Gonzales in the DoJ provided the opportunity.
Second, Rove's hand in all this after the 2006 election may well have had to do in part with his belief that the loss of Congressional majorities stemmed directly from the Republican "scandals" of the previous couple of years. Efforts to (a)to prevent more such scandals and (b)to promote investigations of Democrats prior to 2008 fit Rove's playbook to a "T." It's no accident, I suspect that his fingerprints are mos obvious in an effort to install a protege as USAtty in Arkansas prior to the expected nomination of Ms. Clinton in 2008.
nobody wrote on March 16, 2007 11:44 AM:Well, at least all this proves one thing: the Buddhists were right. Karl Rove is the reincarnation of Joseph Goebbels.
Just wanted to add a bit of macabre levity....
Rima wrote on March 16, 2007 11:45 AM:Pursuing the "Clinton did it" angle - if we could persuade Slick Willie to jump off a cliff, would Dubya do the same?
Mrs Panstreppon wrote on March 16, 2007 11:47 AM:casan, Thanks for the info about American Center For Voting Rights, a 501(c)(3). I posted a short comment at Brad Blog about how to find more info about ACFVR and its sister, American Center For Voting Rights Legislative Fund, a 501(c)(4).
The 2005 990s for both organizations are online at the Foundation Center's 990 Finder.
http://tfcny.fdncenter.org/990s/990search/esearch.php
The 990s are worth reading through to pick the names of the people and the firms involved in this odious project. The firm of Mehlman Vogel Castagnetti of Washington DC served as the executive director. How many Mehlmans in DC are not related to Ken?
www.ac4vr.com can still be accessed in the internet archives. Based on the last version of the website, ACFR was focusing on Georgia, Ohio, Missouri, Maryland, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
slb wrote on March 16, 2007 1:37 PM:>>I know that it is not particularly substantive<<
You're right, it's not substantive, in fact it's downright silly. Have you never worked in an office where there is a constant flow of e-mail? Typos are a fact of life in such an environment. Doesn't mean you don't know how to spell. The guy's fingers remembered "policy" while he was thinking "political" and the result came out garbled. That kind of thing happens all the time, even to good spellers and decent typists.
As for spell checkers -- hah! Turning on an automated spell checker that makes silent corrections as you go is an invitation to embarrassment when it does something like replacing the surname "Sisk" with "Sissy". And unless you're a really bad speller/typist, running a spell-check on every e-mail after it's written is more trouble that it's worth unless it's something going outside the organization or a formal proposal to your boss. More productive is proof-reading, but it's easy to overlook typos--your brain tends to filter them out.
No, I've known a lot of bright, capable people who make frequent spelling/typing errors when they are in a hurry. It's no reflection on either their intelligence or their knowledge, and it's rather churlish to make that claim for something that is pretty obviously an inadvertent error.
ivan wrote on March 16, 2007 2:10 PM:JGabriel, thanks for the trip on Fielding. As you say, we'll see how this plays out. I can see Gonzales getting the axe, but Rove would surprise me (not that he doesn't deserve it).
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