Comments (103)

Anonymous wrote on March 19, 2007 5:09 PM:

Has anyone discovered if ODAG has "woodshedded" anyone else? The use of that term seems to imply a mutual understanding. Sampson was writing to Bill Mercer at the time.

pj wrote on March 19, 2007 5:14 PM:

Why would anyone besides turd blossom be under serious consideration as the mastermind of this particular scheme. He is THE political mastermind in the WH. Miers or AG? Get serious. Karl would bend (or break) as necessary any and all elements of government to suit his political ends. Dubya goes along for the ride.

btree wrote on March 19, 2007 5:17 PM:

The key issue seems to be: what happened between the "we have a serious problem with her *right now*" email Sampson sent on May 11 and the first time the immigration rationale cropped up on May 31?

security code: nail

bfr wrote on March 19, 2007 5:17 PM:

It looks like, we have another major scandal involving White House Political Adviser, Karl Rove. I wonder if there will be another Patrick Fitgerald moment (a grand jury investigation) coming up sometime soon?

zAmboni wrote on March 19, 2007 5:22 PM:

"[she] refused to file immigration cases… at the direction of the Attorney General, she was asked to file, and she said I don’t want to make that a priority in my office."

It is interesting just how Rove said the above. It was not "She didn't want to make that a priority in her office", but more like a paraphrase of something she directly said. Where is the proof either through phone records other documentary evidence?

I would have thought that Rove learned from the Libby trial that it is not a good idea to make up quotes and conversations out of whole cloth

NA wrote on March 19, 2007 5:25 PM:

We have now learned that it may have been common practice to use non-White House e-mail addresses for government business, in part, it appears, to avoid compelled disclosure of those documents in the event of an investigation. Has there been any inquiry into whether this practice was in place during the period of time covered by the investigation into the release of information concerning Ms. Plame, and if so, were there relevant e-mails not provided to Mr. Fitzgerald in response to subpoenae issued by the grand jury?

btree wrote on March 19, 2007 5:25 PM:

In light of the DoJ letter to Feinstein, it appears clear that they either could not - or didn't care to - get their message straight on the rationale for getting rid of her. Seems Rove just regurgitates the more involved version of his own talking points here.

code: blood

Garth wrote on March 19, 2007 5:27 PM:

i think they got caught with their pants down because they really expected to keep at least the senate.

perhaps this is one reason why rove felt so confident. an orchestrated campaign to discredit dems and lay off repugs. josh mentioned that we should also be looking at what happened in NJ to Menendez. there's probably a story there.

i think they need to hammer home how orchestrated this was with the secret provision in the Patriot Act and Arlen Specter's shadowy role.

combine this with calls to examine rove over plame too and it just might become a rovian perfect storm.

the WH conducted NO investigation of the plame leak. issued no sanctions. no one was forced from office and yet libby is going to jail.

the ship of state is sinking and the rats are deserting.

SB wrote on March 19, 2007 5:33 PM:

"But if someone had [asked her to make immigration a priority], and she had refused to make it a priority, it would have been an excellent reason to fire her."

I disagree with the adjective "excellent." In some cases when negotiations break down it might actually be necessary to fire a U.S. attorney. But to maintain their independence U.S. attorneys in my opinion should typically only be fired for obviously egregious acts, like committing crimes themselves or repeatedly bungling cases.

Ian wrote on March 19, 2007 5:38 PM:

Well, Arlen announced he's running. Do we have a credible candidate to run against him? Now that he's on the campaign trail, will someone ask him about his role in this mess?

WASHINGTON (AP) - Republican Sen. Arlen Specter, a moderate who has often clashed with the Bush administration and his fellow GOP lawmakers, said Monday he plans to seek a sixth term in 2010.

``There are a lot of important things to be done and finally after being here to acquire some seniority, I'm in a position to do that,'' said Specter, 77. ``I'm full of energy and my wife doesn't want me home for breakfast, lunch and dinner.''

SB wrote on March 19, 2007 5:38 PM:

Garth, regarding "the WH conducted NO investigation of the plame leak. issued no sanctions. no one was forced from office and yet libby is going to jail." I believe that's the REAL reason the WH is so nervous about Rove testifying under oath. The Democrats can ask him whatever question they wish to, and Karl knows where all the bodies are buried, and they've all seen what can happen to a WH perjurer.

EH wrote on March 19, 2007 5:42 PM:

zAmboni: There is another way to read it: that Lam said Rove doesn't want to make that a priority in *his* office. To wit:

Rove: "Prosecute more immigration or whatever..."
Lam: "You don't want to make that a priority in your office..."

Rove (later): "...she said I don’t want to make that a priority in my office."

FatKat wrote on March 19, 2007 5:44 PM:

Has anyone else wondered....
Since the administration is trying to play with the us attorneys, did they do the same regarding the highest court in the land? The supreme court justices?

Jeremy wrote on March 19, 2007 5:45 PM:

Now I am not one to normally leap to a conclusion like this but the "immigration" charge lept out at me because Carol Lam is a minority. Combine that with an area of the country with a serious immigration debate and the fact that "immigration" popped into Karl's mind as a good cover for firing her seems to make sense.

Chinese minority (doesn't matter if she 1st or 2nd or 3rd gen) refuses to prosecute immigration cases cause she is the daughter of immigrants is a perfectly acceptable smear in Roves world.

mbbsdphil wrote on March 19, 2007 5:46 PM:

Rove is very good; this is what he does, all he does, his unique briar patch. He knows that Mr. Bush does not need a reason to fire Ms. Lam; she served at the President's pleasure. So, what game is Rove playing?

Suggestions: Rove is fomenting an avoidable aspect to this controversy to keep us distracted from more serious aspects of it, possibly specific criminal violations that could be proven, that carry penalties, including extra-judicial ones such as electoral defeat. Crimes that might also relate to PlameGate or IraqGate.

Rove hopes to exhaust our and Congress's attention span in a war of attrition, to run out the clock. He is corrupting the language of Congressional investigations the way he corrupted language of government - Healthy Forests, Clear Skies - in an effort to avoid accountability for the harm his underlying actions have caused.

Other ideas?

FatKat wrote on March 19, 2007 5:47 PM:

On another note, what email address does Rove use when communicating with staff at the WH? It seems there is no "paper trail" regarding his personal communications nor email address? Might he be using someone else's email to put the center around them and not him?

comadrejo wrote on March 19, 2007 5:49 PM:

Rove is better off using the Sergeant Schultz or idiot defense of "I know nothing", instead of babbling the talking point of "well Carol Lam didn't prosecute enough immigration cases" just doesn't cut it. Gonzales for month in 2006 were speaking in public of how many immigration cases they were prosecuting, of course using stats and numbers coming from Carol Lam's office.

It also shows that at least Rove knows what has been going on about the firing of the US Attorneys, given what he said to the head of the Republican Party in New Mexico about David Iglesias.

The biggest complainers about John McKay in Washington have been the a right wing think tank and a lobbying group that finance Dino Rossi's civil lawsuit to overturn the Washington State Governor's race. They are not going to write polite letters to office supervising the US Attorneys, they are going to get on the phone with Rove. Evergreen Freedom Foundation were the ones who wrote that idiotic op/ed piece in the Wall Street Journal after Katrina, saying the Federal Gov't wasn't to blame for the response afterwards.

A better defense for Rove, would be to say that the Justice Department has more knowledge of the firings than my office at the White House. Also commenting on it, isn't the greatest way to plead for executive priviledge when he has babble about this twice in the general public.

It is going to come sooner than later, that he is behind this, and he did to influence the 2008 election. All evidence is leading to him, and to me him showing knowledge instead of what Bush is doing by mouthing off empty platitudes, (It was the right decision, etc. etc.)

mbbsdphil wrote on March 19, 2007 5:52 PM:

Good reminder about the non-White House e-mail addresses used by top staffers. If used for government business or on government time, this may be a pretty straightforward violation of the applicable records laws.

More importantly, consider what topics they might cover. What if Valerie Plame's identity or other national security info was on an inadequately secure RNC mail server, virtually in Virginia or Illinois, but physically in, say, India or China? How many violations of the law might that be? How many in six years?

weight wrote on March 19, 2007 5:53 PM:

John Drake:

Let's not "go there" please. Not on this blog.

bob wrote on March 19, 2007 5:53 PM:

Scooter thought his lies would not be uncovered because Ashcroft was running DOJ. Rove thought their dirty tricks would not be uncovered because Abu Gonzo is running the DOJ. Go Mr Leahy Go. Fight them all the way to Supreme Court if needed.

Mark Shapiro wrote on March 19, 2007 5:59 PM:

In Rove's 3/15 statement at Troy Univ. from the ThinkProgress link link above, he claims that Sen. Feinstein had complained about the lack of immigration cases at DOJ. It's not relevant, but is there any truth to it or is it another Rove misdirection?

I expect: that Leahy etc. on the Senate Judiciary Committee will be asking for more info on DOJ performance evaluations in general and for the 8 in particular; that the WH and AG will stonewall; that what does dribble out will be damning; that the (illiegal) practice of emailing outside the WH system will become more important.

Thank you, TPM

cfaller96 wrote on March 19, 2007 6:02 PM:

Slightly OT, but Karl will testify, no doubt about it. Remember that he panicked at the last minute (and probably avoided an indictment) when he "remembered" some things and revised his testimony in the Plame investigation. He didn't do that voluntarily- he only did it when he realized Fitz was serious.

No, he and his fellow thugs will rant and fight right up until the moment Congress issues subpoenas, then he and other WH employees will back down. Let's hope Senator Leahy makes that happen sooner rather than later.

Andy Glover wrote on March 19, 2007 6:04 PM:

I would suggest deleting the post with the Rove's home address. I don't think it's appropriate for a site with such a good reputation as TPM to have shady posts like those. Yes, it's publically available information, but leave it there rather than here. There's an implied threat in posting people's home addresses, and it also negates our outrage if it's done to one of ours (think Malkin).

Doctor Jay wrote on March 19, 2007 6:04 PM:

Well, couldn't it be that Rove or minions pressured Lam to file trumped-up immigration cases that would make Democratic candidates look bad? These are the cases she was asked to file by the AG. And those are the kind of cases that Lam said that she didn't want to make that a priority of her office? That's a conversation that could have taken place.

I see nothing conspiritorial about "woodshedded" It's just Texas-talk for a trip to the woodshed, for a spankin'

mbbsdphil wrote on March 19, 2007 6:04 PM:

John Drake,

Cheney violated the Nixon rule - it's business, Sonny, it's not personal - and we've castigated him for it.

I'm interested in Mr. Rove's professional misconduct or criminal conduct, not his home address, whether he kicks his dog or gets along with his wife, or routinely fights with his neighbors over boundary disputes. I think it's helpful to share info on the former, not the latter.

Anonymous wrote on March 19, 2007 6:04 PM:

Investigation for immigration illegal activity is the responsiblility of HLS. Appears US atty's rely upon HLS to bring immigration cases to their attention. Once again Michael Chertoff is the weak link.

Garth wrote on March 19, 2007 6:06 PM:

karl rove's fat ass be squirming now that the democrat's have cracked his top secret super communication strategy running through the RNC, who of course be providing it..."as a matter of course."

Uncle Don wrote on March 19, 2007 6:10 PM:

Keep your eye on Arlen Specter.

He was just on CNN with Blitzer, attacking Senator Schumer for having a photo of Pete Domenici on the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee's website and seeking Domenici's defeat next year.

Remember, it was Specter who allowed the Chief Counsel of the Senate Judiciary Committee -- of which Specter was then the chairman -- to insert the surrepticious provision in the reauthorization of the so-called "Patriot" act to allow the Attorney General to name U. S. Attorneys without Senate confirmation.

In Judiciary Committee hearings, Specter ALWAYS carries the water for the Bush regime. I hope the people of Pennsylvania will defeat his re-election bid in next year's election.

On another note: Stand by for the latest document dump from DOJ. It's coming any time now.

Matt wrote on March 19, 2007 6:11 PM:

John Drake,

Don't stoop to the level of Republicans. It's bad enough Bush is imitating Nixon--let's not join him in resurrecting the dirty tricks squad.

Anonymous wrote on March 19, 2007 6:11 PM:

On 3/8 and 3/15, Rove claims there are USAs who are holdovers from the Clinton administration. Is this true? Who are they?

I would have thought any Clinton holdovers would have been asked to resign to give loyal Bushies an opportunity to polish their resumes.

What exactly are these Clinton holdovers doing to hang on to their jobs in the Bush administration?

Rove also said some Clinton USAs were held over because they were involved in high profile cases and important investigations.

A case doesn't get much more high profile and important than an investigation of members of Congress and the #3 at the CIA.

Notice that by 3/15, Rove was referring to Lam's "principled" decision to refuse to handle immigration cases? Maybe the WH had concluded that smearing Lam's reputation was not the way to go.

As an aside, Lam told the Senate Judiciary Committee that "I was given no reason, and I did not receive any communication directly from the department about it being related to the investigation."

I wonder if Lam was given any indirect communication about her being fired related to the investigation.

Garth wrote on March 19, 2007 6:12 PM:

has anyone subpoenaed the servers that have been handling all this extra-curricular WH work?

i can't wait to see it.

we might be turning over a big rock.

paul Miller wrote on March 19, 2007 6:14 PM:

they always start to believe their own lies and then it's impossible to discern truth from fiction, keep yakkin Karl

Biggus Diggus wrote on March 19, 2007 6:14 PM:

Chertoff is his own can o' worms waiting to be opened. What evil has he done at the direction of Bushco?

daCascadian wrote on March 19, 2007 6:15 PM:

mbbsdphil >"...Rove is fomenting an avoidable aspect to this controversy to keep us distracted from more serious aspects of it, possibly specific criminal violations that could be proven, that carry penalties, including extra-judicial ones such as electoral defeat. Crimes that might also relate to PlameGate or IraqGate..."

Excellent place to begin looking. There is deep stuff to be found if enough digging is done.

(code = hope)

"Eventually, the truth will emerge. And when it does, this house of cards, built of deceit, will fall." - Robert C. Byrd

ailewis wrote on March 19, 2007 6:16 PM:

Folks:

This is indeed very interesting, but until Rove lies to Congress, under oath, he can't be prosecuted for anything. Did his actions constitute political interference with the Justice department? Absolutely. Was it unprecedented temerity on the part of this incompetent gang of thugs? Yup. Is that wrong? You bet it is. Is it actionable? No. At most, this is a political hit to Rove and the WH, but until one of those bastards goes on the record lying to a co-equal branch of government, it just does not add up to much damage.

Ward8Mahatma wrote on March 19, 2007 6:20 PM:

Scott Horsley did a report on NPR's Weekend Edition Sunday about Lam & immigration & other issues supposedly the reasons for her firing. It seems the Border Patrol Union complained she "set the bar too high" precluding the prosecution of many of those engaged in immigrant smuggling. The union spokesman goes on to admit that the Bush administration "could not be any less sincere about enforcing border issues." Well worth a listen:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=8983665

SLOUCH wrote on March 19, 2007 6:23 PM:

Would the TPM admin please delete the post with Rove's address? Calls for vigilante justice are beyond inappropriate and have no place here.

Peter Kohan wrote on March 19, 2007 6:27 PM:

From stephen Kaus on HuffPo:

"There is confusion about whether Lam was investigating a second GOP Congressman, Jerry Lewis. News reports indicate that the Lewis investigation was being conducted by Los Angeles U.S. Attorney Debra Yang because Lewis' office was in Yang's jurisdiction. Sunday, Donna Brazile repeated on This Week that Lam was investigating Lewis. Presumably, these investigations may have been linked and could have been coordinated, but I am not aware of any public information that this was the case. Yang herself was quoted in the L.A. Times as being puzzled why anyone in Washington would be upset with Lam over the Lewis investigation. Perhaps the answer is the presumably related Foggo investigation.

The "real problem" with Yang apparently was handled differently. Congressman Lewis's attorneys removed Yang from the case by paying her $1.5 million (according to the Los Angeles Daily Journal) to go to work for them."

So we also now see the flipside of the fate of the eight fired U.S. Attorneys - the incredible spoils of being considered a "loyal Bushie" - further Republican patronage, plush jobs, promotions. And all this to an attorney who, in all probability would have had to coordinate closely with Lam's office on the corruption cases in question.

Sens. Leahy and Schumer need to subpeona some of the U.S. Attorneys who received this FAVORABLE treatment to see how much of it was tied to de-prioritizing or soft pedaling cases against Republican officeholders or campaign contributors. The "Gonzales 8" show us a system of integrity run off the rails by political desires. An examination of how the 85 U.S. Attorneys remaining from the inception of the Bush Administration is in order, not because any wrongdoing has necessarily been committed, but if we posit the theory that the "Gonzales 8" were fired because they DID NOT act as "loyal Bushies," then there must have been some litmus test for the "loyal Bushie" standard to begin with at Justice and within the Administration itself, otherwise the whole exercise seems so absolutely pointless. What did the remaining 85 prosecutors do - or not do - to make sure they did not end up on the same list as the "Gonzales 8?"

Vulture Breath wrote on March 19, 2007 6:28 PM:

They certainly were careless in using that gwb43.com email address. Emails on it were forwarded back and forth to official White House and DOJ email addresses. This tells me that Patrick Fitzgerald must know about these multiple addresses. What he did with that information, who can say?

blonde moment wrote on March 19, 2007 6:29 PM:

Time.com has a story posted via CNN that DoJ is about to release more e-mails; they cite a Justice press release put out this afternoon. I can't wait to see what TPM makes of them...

stephen wrote on March 19, 2007 6:30 PM:

I CANNOT WAIT UNTIL THESE SLIME BUCKETS ARE ALL OUT OF THE HALLOWED HALLS OF OUR GOVERNMENT. THE SOONER THE BETTER. PUT IMPEACHMENT BACK ON THE TABLE NOW!!!

epv wrote on March 19, 2007 6:36 PM:

Rove has a sordid & squalid pattern-of-behaviour:-- namely, he is a bald-faced liar.

Let us hope that Senator Leahy does not give up- is persistent- and, that should Rove lie under oath about Lam, that Rove be charged with treason.

It is long past time for Bush, Cheney, Rice and Gonzales to be impeached and put on trial for war crimes.

What are the Democrats waiting for? PLEASE, GET A SPINE!

Garth wrote on March 19, 2007 6:39 PM:

wouldn't it be nice if these emails turn out to be the equivalent of the nixon tapes. documenting the frank partisan basis for replacing or retaining USAs.

cevrero wrote on March 19, 2007 6:39 PM:

c'mon now, Carol Lam was aiding terrorists by not willing to prosecute illegal immigration. She refused to prosecute Bin laden when he tried to sneak in through the border under the alias of Carlos Roverto. They let him go free too. Why shouldn't she be fired you ask? It had nothing to do with some investigation probing towards the Whitehouse/CIA.

Pity the Fool wrote on March 19, 2007 6:39 PM:

A little thought needs to be given to Rove's motivations in all of this. He earns $161,000 in a government salary. Ethics and various restrictions prohibit his personal financial involvement in the business of politics (fundraising fees, database fees, consulting fees).

To work on the Bush campaign back in 1999, he sold his profitable fundraising company. Since the GOP took power, that company has gone from strength to strength, yet Karl is still making $161,000 a year.

Does he do it for the love of the game? Does he expect to make millions after he leaves government?

Or is something more sinister going on? Is someone stashing money for him? And why did he engage in a questionable real estate deal with his former fundraising business partners in 2003?

Check out Karl Rove's Unexplained Personal Wealth diary here:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/2/10177/11404

mbbsdphil wrote on March 19, 2007 6:58 PM:

There are more crimes in heaven and earth, ailewis, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. AttorneyGate and other scandals, if properly investigated, may reveal crimes other than lying to Congress.

Possibilities include the intentional or negligent disclosure of national security information via the use of non-govt (eg, RNC) computer systems. (Also a violation of applicable records acts.) Obstruction, raised earlier, such as by spiking USA criminal investigations by firing or demoting or failing to appoint prosecutors. Hard to prove, these guys are no fools; but these acts still require coordination. If they occured, they will have someone's fingerprints on them, such as Karl's. No one would attempt such crimes without backing at the top.

A single conviction, even for a peripheral crime, may open up a can of worms for the whole administration. That's why immediate and thorough Congressional investigations are so vital. Ramp them up, get those forensic computer experts and others cleared and hired and ready to go.

Kim McCall wrote on March 19, 2007 7:11 PM:

"ailewis" repeats the conventional wisdom that, while Rove, etc.'s actions may have been "wrong," they aren't criminal. But there's an excellent article by Adam Cohen in today's NYT Opinion section that lists three particular sections of the law, dealing with impeding justice, deceiving or delaying Congress from getting information, etc. that may well have been violated.

The fact that certain appointees serve at the pleasure of the president doesn't mean that he can fire them in order to impede an investigation. He can't, without breaking the law. And attempts to cover it up also break the law.

orionATl wrote on March 19, 2007 7:13 PM:

somewhere today, i forget where, maybe here at TPM, i read this :

white house (OVP) $140K

to brent wilkes.

wilkes $140K

to (then) CA congressman randy cunningham.

cunningham $140K to the owner of a boat.

aren't we standing at the gate of the bush administration's

Watergate?

choo wrote on March 19, 2007 7:19 PM:

Sampson says: "Has ODAG ever called Carol Lam and woodshedded her re immigration enforcement? Has anyone? If the AG ordered 20 more prosecutors to S.D. Cal. to do immigration enforcement only, where would we get them from (remember the premise: AG has ordered it)? Please advise."

The second sentence sounds like Sampson was working on a plan to give cover for firing Lam. Were they considering having the AG order 20 more prosecutors to San Diego to establish the fact that Lam was not adequately handling immigration enforcement with her present resources? "remember the premise: AG has ordered it". Is he saying that since the story would be that the AG had ordered it, then obviously the DoJ was going to have to be able to find those 20 prosecutors?

Read that way, the email sounds like an attempt to find or create a justification for firing Lam on the basis of the immigration issue.

mbbsdphil wrote on March 19, 2007 7:24 PM:

Karl has no worries. He made a pot in Texas, where he ran every top Republican officeholder's campaign. He has since run several successful national campaigns, including two for president. He might also have more dirt on everyone in Washington than anybody ever had, including J. Edgar. Like a Wall Street M&A firm, some will hire him to keep him from representing their opponents.

The minute Karl's no longer on the White House payroll, he'll be back in bidness. His income will dwarf the Clinton's, much less what the Wilson's made out of their book and film rights (which, while not unusual for Washington, the Republican machine described as if made from money laundering).

It will be worth keeping any eye on who Karl expects to make his millions serving. Corporations? Yep. Top state and federal Republicans? Yep. Foreign governments hedging their bets with the Republican side of the house. Quite possibly.

But which ones, and what will he do for them? And how might that business be disrupted or improved by leaving behind demoralized and overworked US Attorney offices around the country?

John Drake wrote on March 19, 2007 7:38 PM:

Mea Culpa if anyone got the wrong idea with my posting: he does tend to cause a heated reaction by just looking at the smug expression on his face. "Hubris extremis - no one can touch me". But recall the school buses that drove to his home and all the young kids who protested on his front lawn when he was recommending cutting school funding for the poor - the CHIP's program? That was a great display of people power putting truth to his lies. All I was suggesting was that a "citizen's arrest" be made - like one could do for any common criminal…and it helps to remember where the evil doer lives…just in case.

Meah Bottoms wrote on March 19, 2007 7:49 PM:

I read that Rove suggested to Bush that the election was lost in 2006 because of Republican scandals, hence the DOJ purging to reduce further indictments of Republicans. But wait, how in the world did they think they would get away with this? Can anyone explain this so that it makes sense? Meanwhile Rove has been lying about Clinton firings of DOJ attorneys right after this all came out. He MUST be put under oath before Congress! With a subpoena, can that be avoided?

ailewis wrote on March 19, 2007 7:51 PM:

Folks:

Please do not misconstrue my post. I would absolutely LOVE to see Rove, Cheney and Bush all run out of DC on a rail! In handcuffs on their way to a Federal penitentiary, even better. Goodness knows they've earned it. If not for these firings, then for the illegal domestic wiretaps, violations of the Geneva Conventions, the FBI's violations of the Patriot Act (who is demanding to see who the FBI was spying upon?! - how much you want to bet the targets included administration political opponents), who knows how many $$$$ squandered on Halliburton, etc. etc. I hope that you are correct and that Congress will not abrogate its reponsibilities and will continue to investigate this, and other WH wrongdoing, vigorously, and that those investigations will lead to indictments and indeed convictions. I just have my doubts, that's all. Obstruction of justice charges for lying to a prosecutor (a la Libby) is a good start. But first, we need to get a prosecutor. My previous post was simply there to remind us all that, absent a violation of law that Congress can sink its teeth into, and sell, we aren't going to see Rove doing a perp walk anytime soon. Much as we'd all enjoy it immensely.

--AILewis

FatKat wrote on March 19, 2007 7:53 PM:

These guys are a work of art! They know we know, they know they can't be touched, they know and laugh at all American's because they don't care what we think. I am so sick and tired of being sick and tired...
Why do they hate so much...Self centered ego driven jerks...They have screwed up the White House and all its branches.
Alberto, doing a heck-of-a-job!
Brownie, doing a heck-of-a-job!
Rumy, doing a heck of a job!
You get the picture! History has already judged you BUSH...

Ailewis wrote on March 19, 2007 8:15 PM:

Meah Bottoms has absolutely got it right. We need a subpoena of Rove (at the very least) to get the ball rolling. Rove simply cannot testify truthfully under oath about his involvement in this thing, without creating more problems for the WH. WH's Next Step: Assert Executive Privilege. Then, absolutely everyone in this country ought to be DEMANDING that their Senators and Congressional Reps force the WH's hand by litigating the validity of the executive's invocation of privilege under these circumstances. While it is by no means a sure thing that the subpoena won't be quashed (Exec. Privilege is a live doctrine), at least the WH will be taken to the woodshed for the first time in this administration's history by a co-equal branch willing to fight for its constitutional turf. That alone, would do this country an enormous amount of good. And hey, we might even win the subpoena battle.

It has been said on this Site previously, this WH simply will not cave until it is FORCED to cave. They do not have a "negotiation" gear in their transmission. We will have to force the issue. Over and over and over again until they're gone.

John Drake wrote on March 19, 2007 8:25 PM:

Until the democrats grow some cojones we will be force fed paté foi gras that impeachment is bad for the country - at least until 08…by then too late and all the crooks will be sunning themselves in Bush's 98,840 acre hidy-hole in Paraguay near the Bolivian/Brazilian border, protected by right-wing death squads and the US military at the Mariscal Estigarribia air base. As far as we can understand, all the paperwork and deeds and such are secret. But somehow the news leaked that a new “land trust” created for Bush had purchased nearly 100,000 acres near the town of Chaco.

And Jenna’s down there having secret meetings with the president and America’s ambassador to Paraguay, James Cason. Bush posted Cason in Havana in 2002, but last year moved him to Paraguay.

Cason apparently gets around. A former “political adviser” to the U.S. Atlantic Command and ATO’s Supreme Allied Commander Atlantic, Cason has been stationed in El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala, Panama … basically everywhere the U.S. has run secret and not-so-secret wars over the past 30 years.
Here’s a fun question for the blog: Why might the president and his family need a 98,840 acre ranch in Paraguay protected by a semi-secret U.S. military base manned by American troops who have been exempted from war-crimes prosecution by the Paraguyan government? Sounds like a great place for Karl Roverer to lay low…

John Drake wrote on March 19, 2007 8:31 PM:

Looks like Fredo is going to take the fall to make sure Karl doesn't. Typical Bush MO - keep Karl intact and throw out the rest. Viddy me droogies the Scooter Libby indictment…

From RAW STORY comes this hot item: White House seeking replacement for Gonzales.
"The White House has begun actively seeking a replacement for Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, reports Politico.

"Among the names floated Monday by administration officials are Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff and White House anti-terrorism coordinator Frances Townsend. Former Deputy Attorney General Larry Thompson is a White House prospect. So is former solicitor general Theodore B. Olson, but sources were unsure whether he would want the job," writes Politico.

The article also says that the resignation of Deputy Attorney General Paul J. McNulty is a "virtual certainty."

In a sign of Republican despair, GOP political strategists on Capitol Hill said that it is too late for Gonzales' departure to head off a full-scale Democratic investigation into the motives and timing behind the firing of eight U.S. attorneys.

"Democrats smell blood in the water, and (Gonzales') resignation won't stop them," said a well-connected Republican Senate aide. "And on our side, no one's going to defend him. All we can do is warn Democrats against overreaching."

A main reason Gonzales is finding few friends even among Republicans is that he has long been regarded with suspicion by conservatives who have questioned his ideological purity. In the past, these conservatives warned the White House against nominating him for the Supreme Court. Now they're using the controversy over the firing of eight federal prosecutors to take out their pent-up frustrations with how he has handled his leadership at Justice and how the White House has treated Congress.

nick wrote on March 19, 2007 9:24 PM:

Don't over estimate the power of American citizens to beleive what their President and his leaders say, rather than what the evidence clearly shows.

Remember when us fools believed that 9/11 was the work of Bin-laden until Rove set us straight?

darclay wrote on March 19, 2007 9:55 PM:

Could someone tell me if any of the cases that these fired attorneys were proscuting are still being carried out? Has "dusty" been indicted? or are they being forgotten. These are the cases that could really bring Rover down along with the rest of the crooks in the WH.

John Drake wrote on March 19, 2007 10:09 PM:

Wouldn't it be nice…

March 19, 2007 -- Democratic Party sources have reported to WMR that Karl Rove and a team of Republican Party election manipulators he has used in the past for tampering with U.S. elections, particularly in Florida, Ohio, and New Mexico, are under investigation by the Italian government of Prime Minister Romano Prodi and the opposition Democratic Revolution Party (PRD) of Mexico.

The sources report that investigators are looking at alleged technical and strategic advice given by Rove and GOP election tampering consultants to Silvio Berlusconi's government, particularly the arch-neo-cons in the Berlusconi Cabinet -- then Interior Minister Beppe Pisanu and Foreign Minister Ginafranco Fini. Although polls before the April 2006 election indicated that Prodi's Center-Left coalition was far ahead of Berlusconi's right-wing/neo-fascist alliance and exit polls also indicated a large Center-Left win, Prodi squeaked by with a mere 0.1 percent of the vote. Our sources claim that Rove and his Italian counterparts severely miscalculated in their planning for tampering with the Italian election returns. Rove and his advisers forgot to include the expatriate Italian vote in their calculations. The 2006 national elections were the first in which Italians abroad were allowed to vote and by failing to calculate those votes, Berlusconi lost by a hair, despite the vote counting fraud that reportedly also included siphoning blank protest votes to the Berlusconi column.

Similarly, PRD officials are also looking at Rove and his team's involvement in providing election tampering assistance to conservative National Action Party (PAN) candidate Felipe Calderon in last July's Mexico presidential election. Calderon beat PRD candidate Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador by a razor-thin 0.6 percent. However, as with Italy, pre-election polls and exit polls showed the PRD candidate with a commanding lead. Ballot boxes were found in garbage dumps in pro-PRD precincts. In addition, votes for the PRD were either shaved from the total count and some precincts were not even counted.

Some of the financial support for Republican interference in the Italian and Mexican elections may have been laundered through the U.S. taxpayer-funded National Endowment for Democracy, which, in turn, funds the International Republican Institute (IRI), an arm of the Republican Party. The IRI has been involved in funding election campaigns in Venezuela against Hugo Chavez and in Haiti against Jean-Bertrand Aristide.

Rove now under investigation for election fraud by Italian and Mexican officials. Is an INTERPOL Red Notice for Rove in the offing?

Italian government and PRD officials have been in direct contact with Democratic Party election experts concerning the suspected international vote fraud committed by the GOP and Rove. If Rove is asked to testify in Italy about his contacts with Berlusconi government officials and refuses, he will have more than U.S. congressional subpoenas to worry about -- he could be faced with an INTERPOL Red Notice, a international arrest warrant recognized by INTERPOL member states.

darclay wrote on March 19, 2007 10:23 PM:

an government and PRD officials have been in direct contact with Democratic Party election experts concerning the suspected international vote fraud committed by the GOP and Rove. If Rove is asked to testify in Italy about his contacts with Berlusconi government officials and refuses, he will have more than U.S. congressional subpoenas to worry about -- he could be faced with an INTERPOL Red Notice, a international arrest warrant recognized by INTERPOL member states.

Now that is what I would love to see!

Zach Edwards wrote on March 19, 2007 10:27 PM:

Maybe you haven't heard who is an expert on talking points but his name is Mark Corallo and he has worked as a spokesman for both Karl Rove and Attorney General Gonzales.

The firings of US attorney Carol C. Lam and Daniel Bogden were connected through one case that just so happened to be the first time the Patriot Act was used in a non-terrorism related case. The investigation, and the subsequently comprehensive search for financial records ended up getting Sheldon Adelson, the 6th richest man in the world and fervent Bush supporter, involved by highlighting $190,000 of contributions he gave to the now convicted ex-County Commissioner and Lobbyist Lance Malone. It is a highly complicated case that demonstrates that Mark Corallo, who has worked as spokesman for both Karl Rove and Attorney General Gonzales, and also at the Republican National Committee was most likely the go-between to help spur these firings on behalf of Sheldon Adelson.
Visit my blog for the story and for future updates: http://misterapologist.blogspot.com/

kentuck wrote on March 19, 2007 11:24 PM:

This has been bothering me!
The US Attorneys do not "serve at the pleasure of the President"! They serve at the pleasure of the American people and the cause of justice and the law. They may be "appointed" at the pleasure of the President but they do not serve at his pleasure.
Now that we have that out of the way...

I cannot believe this White House would release any e-mails that might incriminate them. I would think they have vetted each of them very closely. Unless they are coming from another source??

And there is only one reason that Gonzales would resign - actually two - and it is to protect either George W Bush or Karl Rove from a further "witch hunt". They believe the wolves will be satisfied if Gonzales is thrown to them. Those are the only two people that would get Gonzales thrown out the door.

If Gonzales does resign, there is even more reason to suspect something illegal, very illegal, has been going on in this White House. There is a cancer growing that must be cut out. No matter if it takes 24 hours per day to investigate until the truth is found, it must be done.

kentuck

Marge wrote on March 19, 2007 11:28 PM:

If it is a dirty trick, something underhanded, or something illegal you can bet rove is behind it.

David Foster wrote on March 19, 2007 11:34 PM:

The more that comes to light the more sense it makes in the context of a looming election.

Republicans were anxious to blunt the Democrats "culture of corruption" charge by finding some dirty Democrats at the same time they were trying to look tough on illegal immigration. Any USA that got in the way of either of these political goals (or in Lam's case both) became first targets for political pressure and later targets for retribution following a failed election.

JE wrote on March 20, 2007 12:48 AM:

Isn't it possible that the DOJ was getting Lam's back with the memo saying she was effectively prosecuting immigration cases, but behind the scenes they were actually upset that she wasn't prosecuting more of them? Just because they wrote a memo saying she was doing a good job doesn't actually make it true. They might have been doing what a good boss does: covering his/her employee's tail. Then they decided "enough covering for her, she's gotta go." Just a thought. On the other hand, the rest of the e-mails and the timing creates enough of an inference of bad motives that the DOJ doesn't merit the benefit of the doubt on this question.

Biff Henderson wrote on March 20, 2007 4:15 AM:

Wonder if "john Drake" wasn't really Karl Rove posting his own address? That's exactly his sort of tactic.

elrapierwit wrote on March 20, 2007 5:28 AM:

Right here on Muckracker it has been reported that according to Conyer's assistant, Lam had prosecuted the second highest number of immigration cases in the nation!

Is this true or not? That is all that needs to be said about this Rove tangent. They did not need excellent reasons to terminate Lam, they in fact needed no reason. This is a diversion.

We need to focus on finding the details that support them firing the USA's for 'political reasons'

On how loyalty to Bush not the law governed what happened to the USA's.

It is the credibility of the justice system that was destroyed.

Let's focus, on the true issue.

Jim wrote on March 20, 2007 5:31 AM:

How pathetic that as the sun begins to set on his failed Presidency, he blames the people of our Nation, saying we have some psychological trauma rather than learning the lessons of his enormous mistakes. He will never understand that a grateful nation would rise with relief, if he only had the wisdom to learn and change, and a grateful world will rise with relief, when his days in
office are done.

George W. Bush will be impeached by the court of history for using 9-11 to create fear throughout the land, rather than bravery, courage and valor.

George W. Bush will be impeached by the court of history for using 9-11 to launch partisan and dishonest attacks on genuine American war heroes because they happen to be members of the other political party.

George W. Bush will be impeached by the court of history for using 9-11 as a reason to become the only President in our history to become a world-wide advocate for torture and detention practices that every leader, of every democratic nation, everywhere in the world, has publicly or privately pleaded with
him to abandon.

George W. Bush will be impeached by the court of history for showing contempt for the advice of our military commanders by allowing the man he compares to Hitler, to escape from Tora Bora, to pursue an obsessive war in Iraq, that many of those same commanders warned him about, while he publicly claimed he always follows their advice.

George W. Bush will be impeached by the court of history for treating the Chief of Staff of the Army with ridicule and contempt, when General Shinseki so honorably tried to warn him.

George W. Bush will be impeached by the court of history, for putting his hand on the Bible and pledging to preserve, protect and defend our Constitution while using 9-11 to claim the unilateral power to break it.

George W. Bush will be impeached by the court of history by accepting the sacred duty to faithfully execute the laws of the land, while using 9-11 to create fears to claim the unilateral powers to violate them.

George W. Bush will be impeached by the court of history for dishonoring a spirit that had Democrats and Republicans singing God Bless America at the doors of our Capitol, to personally promote a politics so venomous, vile and vindictive that he fills the air with talk of treason and enemies lists compiled by hate filled supporters.

Even when one of his media partisans slanders the Army that landed at Normandy and the Marines who took Iwo Jima with preposterous falsehoods that they committed war crimes, the self-styled war president lacks the moral integrity to speak out, for fear of offending what he proudly regards as his base.

Even when the trailer park trash of American politics slanders and demeans some widows of 9-11, this partisan who promised to bring honor and integrity to Washington lacks the moral stature to speak out, even against that.

George W. Bush will be morally impeached by the court of history for trying to frighten our people into war with Iraq, with tall tales of Saddam Hussein working with Osama Bin Laden to create mushroom clouds of nuclear extermination that would kill the people of New York.

George W. Bush will be impeached by the court of history for using 9-11 to fan the flames of fear so violently, that at one point, the Capital City of the land of the free and the home of the brave was turned into a panicked hutch of rabbits running to the stores for duct tape, gas masks, bottled water, and bullet proof vests while the Vice-President of the United States fled to hiding spots at undisclosed locations.

How ironic, how pathetic, and how fitting that as America prepares to honor the heroes of 9-11 the Senate Intelligence Committee issues a report detailing fraudulent exploitation of false intelligence, one of America's national networks exploits 9-11 with a docu-fraud of falsehoods, while our "wartime" President exploits 9-11 one more time, with one more taxpayer financed tour of fear, desperately trying to win one more national election.

Five years ago some of the finest Americans who God ever put on this earth gave their lives for their brothers and sisters, for their neighbors and families, for the country that they and we love so much, so deeply and so passionately.

No one ever took a poll to determine whether these American heroes were Democrats or Republicans, because it does not matter.

John Drake wrote on March 20, 2007 9:26 AM:

Biff: I promise you that John Drake and Turdblossom are in no way related. As far as TB's address is concerned, go to http://cryptome.org/ and review the Eyeball series to see where all the criminals reside in DC. I was just trying to save folks time…as a "public servant" Rove's hideout is in the public domain. Perhaps Instant Karma will have it's due, but I just wish it would happen a hell of a lot faster in his case!

John Drake wrote on March 20, 2007 9:37 AM:

Check out the fourth paragraph - after the lede and story credits - for another Rove black-op in Ohio…for those who have forgotten or dispute the voter fraud there in 2004.

"Forced resignations and stiff prison sentences intensify the escalating blowback from Ohio's 2004 stolen election" by Harvey Wasserman

In a bold move "to restore trust to elections in Ohio," Ohio's newly-elected Secretary of State, Jennifer Brunner, has requested the resignation of all four members of the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections. The two Democrats and two Republicans were formally asked to resign by the close of business on March 21. Cuyahoga County includes the heavily Democratic city of Cleveland. Brunner is a Democrat who was elected to be Ohio's Secretary of State in November, 2006.

Felony convictions have also resulted in 18-month prison sentences for two employees of the Cuyahoga BOE as a result of what the county prosecutor in the case calls the "rigging" of the outcome in the recount following the 2004 presidential election. Further problems surfaced in the conduct of Cuyahoga County's May, 2006 primary, in the wake of which Michel Vu, Executive Director of the county's Board of Elections recently resigned.

In tandem, the shake-up in Ohio's biggest county reflects a widening storm surrounding the outcome of the 2004 presidential election and the conduct of elections overall in the nation's most pivotal state.

Among those Brunner has asked to resign is Cuyahoga County BOE Chair Robert Bennett, who chairs Ohio's Republican Party. Voting rights attorney Cliff Arnebeck and others have long charged that Bennett worked closely with White House advisor Karl Rove and Ohio's then-Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell to secure Bush's 2004 victory in Ohio.

Bennett responded to Brunner by saying that he will refuse to resign. He has placed the blame for the May 2006 primary problems on private voting machine vendors, including Diebold. Bennett claims the rigging of the 2004 presidential recount was caused by the Cuyahoga County Prosecutor's office, according to the Columbus Dispatch.

If Bennett and other Board members refuse to resign by Wednesday, Brunner says they "will face a complaint and public hearing to be conducted in Cleveland…"

In the 2004 presidential election, Cuyahoga County suffered serious election irregularities that worked to the disadvantage of Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry. Among them: the purging of 24.93% of all the voters in the city of Cleveland, where Kerry won 83% of the vote; mysterious and suspect vote totals for third party candidates in majority African American wards; unexplained "security" problems that caused the last-minute shift of voting locations in the inner city Cleveland Public School polling places; improbably low apparent turnouts in heavily Democratic inner city wards, and more.

Brunner's request for the resignations comes a week after two Cuyahoga County election workers were each sentenced to 18 months in prison for rigging the recount of the 2004 election in Ohio's biggest county. These are the first prison terms issued in the escalating scandal over the vote count that gave George W. Bush a second stay in the White House. The two women are out on bail pending appeal. But the substantial jail time demanded by Cuyahoga County Common Pleas Judge Peter Corrigan indicates there may be more trials and convictions yet to come, especially in light of new evidence unearthed by the Free Press in other counties around the state.

Jacqueline Maiden and Kathleen Dreamer were each convicted of a felony count of negligent misconduct by an election board employee. Maiden, 60, was the Cuyahoga Board of Elections' third-highest ranking employee.

Dreamer, 40, was ballot manager. Maiden and Dreamer were also convicted of a separate misdemeanor. A third defendant in the case was acquitted of all charges.

The Free Press has unearthed evidence indicating possible criminal misconduct by a wide range of election officials throughout the state, including Blackwell. Under the law, election boards are required to do recounts by choosing 3% of a county's voters at random for sampling. But throughout the state, apparently with the explicit knowledge and approval of Blackwell, precincts were hand-counted for recounting, a criminal act. This non-random sampling in essence voided the recount, for which backers of the Green and Libertarian Parties paid more than $100,000.

According to the prosecution in the case against Maiden and Dreamer, this method of action led to the recount being illegally "rigged." When investigators working with the Free Press attempted to audit the Cuyahoga County ballots from the 2004 election last summer, BOE officials were unable to find the ballots for four full days. The investigation team, led by Richard Hayes Phillips, had to find the ballots on their own. Under Ohio law, the ballots were to be locked in a known location, and secured by two keys, one controlled by each major party.

Brunner says she acted in part because she is concerned that many of the problems from 2004 and 2006 might resurface in the upcoming 2008 election. "With maximum 18-month prison sentences being handed down to two Cuyahoga County election workers last week, for their role in the 2004 presidential recount, the tremendous problems that surfaced in the May 2006 primary that delayed even the unofficial vote count for five days, and the uncertain future of this board as another Presidential election looms on the near horizon, it is incumbent on me as Secretary of State to provide the direction needed to get this troubled board on track," she says. "The voters of Cuyahoga county deserve it, the citizens of Ohio expect it and the rest of the nation will be watching."

In the 2006 primary, Cuyahoga County used the controversial Diebold touchscreen voting machines. These machines suffered a well-publicized meltdown, in which many malfunctioned. A report from the Election Science Institute (ESI) documented significant differences between votes actually cast on the machines as opposed to those officially counted.

Immediately following the election, 562,498 votes were reported cast in Cuyahoga County, with 30,791 listed as absentee or provisional ballots. But the official results show just 468,056 counted. This means that 94,442 ballots cast in the unofficial total disappeared in the official tallies, representing a shocking 16.8% of all the votes cast in Cuyahoga.

Michael Vu, who was the Cuyahoga BOE executive director, came under intense criticism for the bitter controversies surrounding both the 2004 and 2006 elections. Last month, he resigned "to pursue future career growth," according to a Cuyahoga County Board of Elections release.

In an interesting and perhaps telling statement coming from a Republican who was commenting on an appointee supported by the Democratic Party, Bennett said "Michael Vu has worked hard and accomplished a great deal on behalf of Cuyahoga County votes and will, I am sure, continue to have success in his career of public service.

"Michael oversaw a difficult transition period at the Board including the implementation of a new electronic voting system county-wide in the May (2006) primary followed by a near flawless general election," Bennett concluded.

Brunner's action underscores a growing sentiment that the unraveling of what happened during and after the 2004 election has only just begun.

The Free Press has learned that Brunner's office is also investigating an unexplained undercount in the 2006 general election in six Ohio counties which all used the Diebold TSX DRE voting machines. In Montgomery County, where the Democratic gubernatorial candidate Ted Strickland beat Blackwell, the Republican nominee, by 107,593 to 76,189, there was an abnormally high 13.76% of the machines registering no vote for the state's highest office. Problems are also under investigation in Adams, Darke, Highland, Mercer and Perry Counties.

With stiff prison terms, forced resignations and widespread investigations underway, there is a well-founded sense in Ohio that much more is yet to surface about the disputed presidential election of 2004 and what has come after it.
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Anonymous wrote on March 20, 2007 10:37 AM:

I have a question that springs from my sadly uninformed condition: Why have the White House and the Justice Department released so many incriminating emails without a struggle? Why didn't they stonewall?

tomg wrote on March 20, 2007 11:39 AM:

Why have the White House and the Justice Department released so many incriminating emails without a struggle? Why didn't they stonewall?

This is their first time through with some stiff opposition, the WH has had their way with evething for the past 6 years, they obviously will get better as time goes on

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