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Citizen 92 wrote on March 22, 2007 2:26 PM:

From yesterday's press briefing:

Snow calls on "Victoria".

Q Does Karl Rove have a private email address at the RNC?

MR. SNOW: You mean --

Q Can you find out?

MR. SNOW: Oh, yes.

Q Thank you.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/03/20070321-4.html

SO WHAT DO WE KNOW?

OldCoastie wrote on March 22, 2007 2:30 PM:

did anyone notice DiFi mentioning during this morning's hearing that HER email, sent during the "lull" was missing? and if her's is missing, how many more are missing?

Englischlehrer wrote on March 22, 2007 3:00 PM:

Can we get a court or committee to subpoena emails records of the RNC if and only if Karl Rove or others involved had private accounts with the RNC that they were using for business, especially when people are trying to find out how they came to this decision.

There are almost too many threads to focus on this but what about these points:

1)We try and get readers to do a little legwork on their own USAs and see how long they've been there and compare to others who were fired. Something already may have turned up in Tennessee (dailykos diaries) but imagine the legwork involved on such a task, but it's the capacity of the blog's readers that are capable of doing this together.

2)How do they serve at the president but the DoJ determines? Bush says he appointed them, but then again Snow is saying that Bush never had any input or say on firing them.

3)Is anyone else shocked by Snow's arrogance but continually saying we (thepeople at home) don't understand, and what a generous act of kindness from King George to allow us to hear recollections and paraphrases from what the senators are able to recall what Rove, Meiers, et al said in a closed door meeting without transcripts or an oath. Fielding's balls are huge and it stinks of a power play, a feeling I've felt for awhile of the past 6 years, that almost every decision they make is motivated by the idea of gaining a better stronghold on the power of the United States, not to serve the people who elected them.

3)Would it be a repudiation of our Constitution to change to a representational government where different political parties have to make coalitions to gain a majority?

4)Do the emails really tell us, as Snow says, "Zipp"? We have Cohen's piece from the NYT I think but really, but it almost seems like a good idea to press the idea of the warrantless wiretapping that may have wanted to begin bringing Gonzales into the inquiry. Did that story die?

5)Force Republicans to have to vote on tough stances, make the re-election ads easier to make when this all blows up in their faces

6)We have to do our own ranking of the 93 USAs to find what a more "centralist" (compared to them) scale would be. Could shed some new light on this tumor.

Douglas Watts wrote on March 22, 2007 3:07 PM:

Thanks Paul Kiel --

I am concerned about this hype about a "gap" -- to a certain extent it is beside the point. The documents I have reviewed, and are reviewed in the 650 post section down below, still have not even been well-vetted and analyzed. Including the numerous and major redactions throughout them.

FWIW right now I will re-emphasize my little piece of research that not a single document thus far explains why USA Chiara of Michigan was fired. Chiara's Feb. 1 2007 email intimates that she was given a reason -- a reason which she doesn't believe is true -- that has nothing to do with what AG Gonzales said under oath.

observor wrote on March 22, 2007 3:08 PM:

Deborah Yang, who's office was investigating Jerry Lewis, resigned during that period to join Ted Olson at Gibson Dunn & Crutcher, which is representing Jerry Lewis. Yang, who was known by her staff for kissing Washington's ass, is reportedly getting an astounding $1.5 million. No emails? No wonder DiFi has questions.

Midwest Product wrote on March 22, 2007 3:19 PM:

I still don't think it's accurate to say the gap ends on December 4th; there's really only one chain of emails that goes around that day about the multi-step plan for the firings. Then there's one email from the morning of December 5 (part of that same chain of replies to the plan), and then there is complete silence again for more than 48 hours until AFTER the firings have commenced. In that final few days there would certainly have been communication as everybody involved signed on to the final plan that would be undertaken. This was a complex process, with the AG and White House Counsel and several members of DOJ all involved.

ND wrote on March 22, 2007 3:36 PM:

Englischlehrer's comment above about going after information available on the RNC servers used by almost all the involved players is a good idea. Most of the communications with the WH were conducted on that email system. While the WH could probably try and extend its privilege claims to bar disclosures by the RNC, it would have a harder time of it (many of the emails one would want have already been provided from the same system - a waiver argument); putting them on a private political system's servers may also constitute a waiver (depending on who has access). Finally, if properly drafted the subpoena to the RNC could expressly excempt emails to, from or including the President (a different subpoena should issue for those - the defense against THAT subpoena would reveal that such emails exist).

Barbara B wrote on March 22, 2007 4:09 PM:

Oldcoastie:

I noticed somewhere in the dump (I'll start looking now) an email exchange in which the writer mentions not being able to find Feinstein's letter (I think re. Carol Lam).

Barbara B wrote on March 22, 2007 4:38 PM:

It's in Document 7-10, pages 4 through 9. They're looking for an earlier letter from Feinstein, but there's an extended discussion of how to search, and other places the letter might be.

bbbustard wrote on March 22, 2007 5:27 PM:

As I quote over at my place, Ari Fleischer once noted that a good way to try to hide missing information is through a large document dump. (2002)

itwasntme wrote on March 22, 2007 5:29 PM:

It looks like, from FLD website, that some of this "missing" email might have gone through the republican party network with URL GWB43 or something like that. If this is the case, is any of it protected by executive previlege?

OldCoastie wrote on March 22, 2007 5:45 PM:

Barbara B - DiFi knows the document is missing - she mentioned it very specifically this morning in the subpeona hearing.

RobinLynne wrote on March 22, 2007 5:50 PM:

I dont understand why so much talk about the 18 day gap. There is a year or two of information missing, from before the firings. There are no emails about Carol Lam prior to the "our real problem' email. Of course there is the Issa-18 republicans' letter, but when you refer to our real problem with the udnerstanding that the receiver understands what you mean, then obviously there would have to be a lot of communication from before.

Mrs Panstreppon wrote on March 22, 2007 6:02 PM:

The DOJ included complaints about John McKay from the Evergreen Freedom Foundation (EFF) in the second document dump but I don't understand why.

The EFF first complained to Gonzales about voter fraud in April 2005 and demanded a criminal investigation.

In May 2005, the EFF wrote to the DOJ Assistant Inspector General accusing McKay of malfeasance for failing to open a grand jury investigation into voter fraud.

In February 2006, the EFF demanded that Gonzales force McKay to recuse himself and have the Public Integrity Section investigate voter fraud.

The DOJ did not provide memoranda or other documents as evidence that the AG considered the EFF complaints to be founded. For example, the DOJ should have provided the Assistant Inspector General's conclusion as to the validity of the EFF's complaints if the AIG indeed investigated them.

Offering complaints from a private entity about voter fraud not being investigated without providing a conclusion from the DOJ as to the validity of those complaints bolsters the case that John McKay was fired because he was unwilling to persecute innocent people for political gain.

Richard L. Adlof wrote on March 23, 2007 4:08 AM:

We are going to have to go through a node search via the NSA or the FBI or the DOE. Shadow copies are going to be our only hope . . . I am sure that more than one hard-drive at the White House and the RNC have their blank space MIL-SPEC scrubbed recently.

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