Comments (60)

br wrote on April 17, 2007 11:20 AM:

You've hit the nail on the head. It's a superposition of two alternate realities, each with an equal chance of being true. Like Schroedinger's cat which is half dead and half alive.

Barbara wrote on April 17, 2007 11:20 AM:

Got it!

Could that be by design, as in code word?

William Ockham wrote on April 17, 2007 11:30 AM:

If you want to understand this business, just look no further than the 3 prosecutors who are every single list (Chiara, Cummins, Lam). Lam was fired to shut off her investigations of Wilkes, et. al. Cummins was fired because Rove desperately needed an oppo researcher with all the power of a US Attorney to harass Hilary Clinton. I suspect Chiara was fired to protect the Abramoff organized crime gang.

Rusty wrote on April 17, 2007 11:33 AM:

The sad thing is despite being caught in this very obvious lie, they press forward. As if someone is still saying, "People really are not interested, if we can just gum it to death everything will be fine."

It is obvious from the emails that the DOJ manufactured the reasons for firing the US Attorneys. It is right there in the text, you don't need to analyze it to see it. The only reason that they are not reacting the way that most of us would is they have absolutely no shame, honor, or any impluse besides unquestioned servitude and self-preservation at all costs.

I really can't believe that at this stage of the flood of information - they can pretend to send AG in front of Congress to "clean the air". Thery do not realize, it seems, that torrent of infromation about their mendacity has flooded the entire DOJ. Their personal credibility and the department's reputation drowned weeks ago. No amount of testimony will revive it.

Clean the air indeed.

Mark Prout wrote on April 17, 2007 11:41 AM:

Now the Bushies have to dance to the same tune they played for Clinton ... it depends on what the definition of "is" is.

Dave Jones wrote on April 17, 2007 11:43 AM:

Check whether Cummins was investigating Missouri Gov. Matt Blunt for corruption. That,s what I heard.

Austin Cooper wrote on April 17, 2007 11:49 AM:

Like Schrodinger's cat, all this is either a reeking pile of incompetence and lies, or just a steaming pile of incompetence. If you believe these sociopaths, truth is "all a matter of perception".

What will they say? "Hey; no fair! You changed the truth by observing it!"

Code = brain

kis wrote on April 17, 2007 11:54 AM:

Replacing Cummins with Griffin was a no-brainer - a three-for! Rove got Cummings off Blunt's back, installed an oppo researcher for Hillary, and installed protection for Huckabee all in one step...

I almost suspect the planned purge was a cover story for this one act... then Lam got added in because of the obvious danger to the administration, and then Iglesias to make Domenci happy, perhaps overplaying their hand.

Richard L. Adlof wrote on April 17, 2007 11:59 AM:

Soon Orwell's 1984 will cease to be taught as literature and will become a history text . . . To bad that 'Every Child Left Behind' forces education to focus on the "Three R's" to the exclusion of such high-minded pursuits like history and government . . .

The vaiance between testimonies and the physical & factual evidence lives in a place 'thought-crlmes' and 'doublespeak' can even take us.

RandyR wrote on April 17, 2007 12:02 PM:

The first question to ask Gonzo is exactly why was each of the AG's fired? were they confronted with their issues before firing? what is the documentation showing their problems? if the firing is a result of complaints, have they been documented and investigated? because they serve at the will and pleasure of the president what was his involvement?

This all needs to get on the table whether the testimony is lies or truth the basics must be on the table.

mbbsdphil wrote on April 17, 2007 12:02 PM:

If the DOJ can send "observers" to witness and take notes at Congressional hearings, even private ones, in order to cover the administration's backside, why can't Congress transcribe the mighty words of Mr. Rove?

shrubsy wrote on April 17, 2007 12:05 PM:

what we are seeing here, folks, is evidence of what these people are all about. I know you know it, but here it is laid out again.

They are determined to let Corporations get their way...at any cost. Pharma, Oil, Energy, Gas, Finance, Bankruptcy, Pollution...on an on. Gutting the american people at every step.

They desire this so much that they are willing to rig elections. Prosecute the enemy and imprison them on false charges, even while the CorporoParty is stealing millions of votes and squashing millions of voters.

They install heads of industries to oversee govt. departments. Mining Millionaires overseeing Mining OSHA. Oil Millionaires overseeing car emissions. Chief exploiters of water rights and cleanliness put in charge of Clean Water....Pedophiles in charge of child abuse. They stalk the election process, they fund the defense lawyers of guilty cronies...they then go on to lure judges off cases with Federal Benches and they run off US Attys who come close to indicting their corrupt brethren.

They have eliminated habeus corpus, rights to trial, spied on us all, eliminated their own culpability to warcrimes and reparations with signing statements, allowed corporations to declare bankruptcy and break unions (with bankruptcy filings) while taking away the ability for citizens to file bankrupt. Credit Card companies charge 28% interest on your credit card if they find out your wife was late paying a different card. Banking scandals, SEC violators. Lobbyists writing laws.

They are willing. They have availed themselves of EVERY trick. Evil Genius. Rove learned LONG ago the power of yelling FIRE in a crowded room. He knows every sneaky dirty trick. Corporate Lawyers know a lot of tricks too. The whole system is designed to watch for people who try to follow the rules most of the time. The whole system in America has been slowly shifted to allow NO WAY to defend against those who have no intention of following ANY rules, who have not a drop of good faith, who are willing to pervert ANYTHING for money.

Money cannot equal GOOD. Have we finally learned that? THere is no justification for our striving, our acquiring. If this is achievment, I want no part of it.

Richard L. Adlof wrote on April 17, 2007 12:11 PM:

Austin,

This is not imcompetence. This is intentional and criminal. If we fail to recognize this and speak truth into the situation, we become part of the problem.

We need to assume the mantle on modern day nevi'im (prophets).

rb6 wrote on April 17, 2007 12:11 PM:

Read the interview with a retiring career DOJ employee: http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1176455062969

Note especially what he says about consensus and youthful incompetence. The exercise was designed so that no one would really know what the hell they were doing or how to explain it. This is how dysfunctional managers make sure that they escape blame or accountability. Gonzalez is apparently their Svengali. Haven't you ever been in a room with a boss who turns to you and whines "but we all agreed" as he tries to avoid taking responsibility for something that went wrong?

Agjobs wrote on April 17, 2007 12:13 PM:

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance,
Baffle them with bullshit"

Simple as that.

cromulant wrote on April 17, 2007 12:17 PM:

I just had an ugly vision of the future after reading shrubsy and mark prout and dave jones above.

It appears that the investigation of incumbent political figures will become mere routine---i.e., as soon as anyone is elected, the DOJ will commence an ongoing investigation of corruption or abuse of power. It will be part of the office holder's duty to put up with it. Presumed guilty until proven innocent---or until someone shuts down the investigations at DOJ by undisclosed means. This is about the only way DOJ can come out of the current state of affairs and have any hope of regaining its integrity as a law enforcement branch--i.e., okay we can't do our jobs assuming innocence, but we can surely do it if we assume everyone is guilty whether they are Dem or Repub.

What a mess this has become.

RandyR wrote on April 17, 2007 12:17 PM:

Here's the link that shows why Bud Cummings was fired. Investing the Republican Governor of Missouri.

http://www.firedupmissouri.com/cummins_fired_while_investigating_blunt

It seems pretty clear what the story is. It's interesting that as time passes the full story for each of the AG's seems evident.

Security Code: crush Like in crush his career like a beer can.

certainot wrote on April 17, 2007 12:18 PM:

complicating things works as a defense because it injects uncertainty. authoritarians must avoid uncertainty, always looking for the black and white, so by using uncertainty to gray the waters the base can be pushed toward a preferred excuse- the official excuse and explanation offered by the all-certain dictator. no matter how factually incorrect or irrational the official explanation, the certainty with which it is presented by the authority and it's propaganda machinery makes it easy for the base to accept. the other explanations merely become part of the bagage of denial and hypocrisy. it has worked well for rove

nomorekelp wrote on April 17, 2007 12:19 PM:

Time for my favorite quote:

"I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
Robert McCloskey, State Dept 1968

thevineyard wrote on April 17, 2007 12:20 PM:

As this comes out, it is surprising that they did not fire more USA's in order to put loyal Bushies in the best places, in order to prepare people for judgeships. Alternately, it seems Lam might have been the key target and the others were there to pad the issue and create "win-win's." Sampson spoke of the political storm that was likely to arise and that the Admin and DOJ should be prepared. Knowing this was coming, they decided it was worth it. The fear of what a USA with principles (like Fitzgerald) could do to them held sway.

georgia wrote on April 17, 2007 12:29 PM:

I've said it before, and I'll say it again; LOOK INTO THE "FEENEY AMENDMENT"!!!! The same cast of characters that worked on "Section 502" also worked on "Feeney". Furthermore, there are many references to the "Booker" and "Blakely" cases in the many doc dumps. The DOJ, starting with Ashcroft, was out for total control, and they were not that happy when they lost it. If Cummins ever became nonsupportive of the DOJ policy, that may have sealed his fate.

Bud Cummins is quoted in a September 2003 article regarding sentencing guidelines. I don't know if he was on the AGAC or if he was in the sentencing hearing that William Moschella and Brent Tollman referred to in one e-mail exchange.

The article I mentioned can be found at:

http://www.nacdl.org/public.nsf/legislation/ci_03_42?OpenDocument

Here's an exerpt:

"The rigid guidelines that they have now have not led to uniform sentences," Wilson said. "The guidelines and mandatory minimums put the vast majority of discretion in the hands of the prosecution. ... I'm not against a reasonable amount of prosecutorial discretion, but there's an overload of it now."

Both judges said that police officers on the street know that if they want to put someone away for at least 10 years, they need to delay an arrest until the person is in possession of a high enough quantity of drugs to trigger a "mandatory minimum" sentence.

Furthermore, they said, the mandatory minimums discourage trials and encourage unjust plea agreements fashioned by federal prosecutors. Bud Cummins, U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Arkansas, acknowledged that roughly 90 percent of all cases in the district that includes Little Rock are disposed of by plea agreement.

"I've seen numbers between 87 and 92 percent," Cummins said. "I think that's pretty consistent with figures nationwide."

Rep. John Boozman, the only Republican member of Arkansas' congressional delegation, said he remembers the Feeney Amendment as "a noncontroversial part of a big bill that did a lot to protect children."

But he said judges have raised some legitimate concerns. "What I will be doing is talking to some of our U.S. attorneys and judges," he said. "I feel this issue needs to be followed up on."

John Hurt wrote on April 17, 2007 12:31 PM:

Speaking of being fired for performance reasons...

DBH wrote on April 17, 2007 12:39 PM:

The more complicated the story, the more room they have to hide. W has been a master of the simple message and knows the opposite is true too: that too complicated a formula and most people just tune out.

Remember, the people pushing USA-gate need to have a simple message: either obstructing justice, or harassing voters (or both). He said/she said will not win any votes, and make Congress look like it is going fishing. As will a charge of 'lying to Congress', unless it is stunningly clear.

biggerbox wrote on April 17, 2007 12:49 PM:

I'm sorry. That explanation just bounced harmlessly off the surface of my brain. I'm afraid my capacity for hearing obvious nonsense was already used up for this week, when El Jefe pulled out the old 'follow us home' chestnut yesterday.

I've tried several times to even understand what those 'sources' were saying about Sampson, but it just sounds like the adults in the Charlie Brown TV shows: bwah-wah-whaa-wah-wah. Something about Sampson not just being a floor wax but also a dessert topping? What?

Phil Ball wrote on April 17, 2007 12:52 PM:

Bush/Rove/USA/Goergia Thompson scandal
Submitted by Phil Ball (not verified) on Mon, 04/16/2007 - 3:26pm.
With the revelation that Bush himself axed the New Mexico federal prosecutor at the urging of Sen. Domenici because he refused to prosecute spurious criminal claims leveled by Republican activists, the story of the political abuse of the nation's criminal justice system is now where it belongs, in the White House.
But locally, some rather obvious steps need to be taken to clean up the mess left behind by the bogus prosecution of Georgia Thompson.
For starters:
1) Halt all ongoing investigations coming out of the offices of the U.S. Attorney
Dan Biskupic; they are now badly tainted by the smell of political corruption.
2) Close down the grand jury that indicted Georgia Thompson; the thought
that this thoroughly discredited body would be used again to hear evidence from the still on-going investigations of Troha and voter fraud
nonsense defies belief.
3) Demand that the U.S Attorney Biscupic explain his practice of hiring staff
based on their membership in the secret Federalist Society.
4) Determine if Judge Randa requested that he be placed on reserve status.
If so this would open his seat for a new appointment by Bush/Rove. And
if Biscupic was aware of this plumb-and he certainly was-that, coupled with his understanding that Bush/Rove made hiring and firing decisions in the justice sytem based on fealty to their political agenda, would immediately call into question his motives for the numerous cruel and groundless prosecutions for voter fraud as well as the persecution and jailing of Georgia Thompson, notwithstanding the Democratic eyewash provided by
Lautenschlager and other skittish Dems.
5) Is Judge Randa himself a member of the secret Federalist Society.
6) Examine the transcript of the Georgia Thompson grand jury. Anybody can
request a copy of this document-call the clerk of courts for details( (414) 297-3372); if ever there was a need for the public to
know what went on in a grand jury, this is it. The need to protect on-going investigations doesn't exist because they are already fully compromised.
This is one of those times when the 'average citizen' can demand justice and fair play.
And believe me, 'they' are listening with cocked ears.
Phil Ball
428 North Main St., Philville
Fort Atkinson, WI
53538
920-397-7249
pball9258@charter.net

clio wrote on April 17, 2007 12:52 PM:

I've always liked the little addition to
'O, what a tangled web..." that goes
"But when we've practiced for a while
How vastly we improve our style."

You would think that with all the practice Mr. Gonzales and his minions have had at lying that they could do better than this!

jeffgee wrote on April 17, 2007 1:00 PM:

"Distinguish"=Prosecute any Democrat in Rove's way to establishing One Party Rule

MidwestLiberal wrote on April 17, 2007 1:02 PM:

Has anyone brought up the elephant in the room during the Senate questioning of witnesses?

The author of "Bush's Brain" stated it very clearly a few weeks back. He thought the following.

Karl Rove was so convinced of a Republican victory in '06 that when it didn't happen he blamed all of the scandals that occured leading up to the election.

He was determined to change this for the '08 elections and took out the AG's. This provided and end to many of the current investigations and sent a message to the surviving AG's.

Karl, why don't you take all of this energy and funnel it towards something good for a change. License Plate making outta do it.

Anonymous wrote on April 17, 2007 1:08 PM:

I have to agree with DBH. If it isn't a simple message, it will be too complicated for most, and they tune out.

There are clear easy messages:

Fired Lam, Black & hired away LA USA to protect corrupt political gang from being discovered. Fired other USA's as cover.

(You know the deatails): WH fired them to stop investigating Republican corruption cases of friends/supporters of shrub/VP. The even more complicated and unsubstainiated claim that it leads directly to VP has traction, once you get the public attention.

Voter Fraud: WH embarked on a criminal conspiracy to fabricated voter fraud to suppress democratic vote.

(You know the deatails): Suppressed/re-wrote study findings that contradicted story; fired USA's for not pursuing fraud; Civil rights division prosecutorial record under W. Prosecuted on trumped up charges; Prosecuted to give election edge.

Until 'dateline' can deliver the message in the simplest terms, it isn't going to get traction with the masses. It they don't get the message, and tune out, the repugs can cry 'fishing expedition' and the whole thing blows up in the Dems face.

This is very much now a propaganda war, and that's how the Rupugs keep power.

Dan wrote on April 17, 2007 1:11 PM:

To the Bush administration and its minions, including Gonzales and his crew at Justice, politics IS performance. See? Not complicated at all :)

Arkansan wrote on April 17, 2007 1:15 PM:

It’s doubtful that Hillary was the reason Cummins was fired. First of all, Starr beat that horse to death. If $40 million dollars, thuggish intimidation, and imprisonment of innocents didn’t net results, Griffith wasn’t going to get anywhere, even Rove must know that. Second, she hasn’t lived here in 15 years, she barely ever even visits, so there is zero new to investigate about her, in Arkansas at least. The Hillary dog just don’t hunt. It’s a red herring, but it’s anyone’s guess as to what it obscures. .

That said, there are two more likely theories. Cummins was involved in a corruption investigation of Republicans in Missouri, not loyal Bushie professionalism. Another area of potential interest to an honest USA would have been the fundamental, public, criminal behavior of the outgoing Arkansas Governor and Republican Presidential candidate, Mike Huckabee. Huckster was as crooked as they come. He didn’t even try all that hard to conceal it, although there is no indication Cummins had any interest in pursuit of that avenue.

A long shot theory is that Wes Clark is still lurking out there as a potential presidential candidate. Rove may have wanted someone close to harass Clark if things started looking up for that campaign.

Or it could have been all of the above. We’ll never know, but the Hillary theory just doesn’t make sense.

Muzzy wrote on April 17, 2007 1:26 PM:

Re: "Sampson's explanations about the Cummins firing were complex enough that different people could interpret the reasons for the firings differently."

This is an incarnation of the shell game being played, popularly referred to by Gonzales as 'consensus', in how decisions were made. 'Consensus' is being used to draw attention to the various levels of opinion and involvement of others while drawing attention away from the very few whose knowledge and actions were all that really mattered.

Revisit recently retired DoJ official Metcalfe's remarks on the new 'consensus' approach under Gonzales in his Q&A about the independence of the DoJ being 'Shattered.' He spells it out plainly.

LnGrrrR wrote on April 17, 2007 1:30 PM:

A question...

Can they subpoena Sampson and Gonzalez to answer questioning at the SAME TIME?

I'd love to see that.

Johnson's Dog wrote on April 17, 2007 1:35 PM:

Here's what I ask myself: If the Rove Republicans are fixated on raising the profile of "voter fraud" in the public mind, even though expert assert that this is a non-issue, is it possible that what has been uncovered in the US Attorney scandal is a stealthy attempt by the DOJ to put in place the machinery to steal the 2008 Presidential election?

Delia wrote on April 17, 2007 1:40 PM:

Huckabee's a crook? Do tell more. He's sort of built up a national image as the last nice conservative repub, what with his diet book, his Daily Show appearances, and all. Enquiring minds want to know what didn't make past the local scene.

georgia wrote on April 17, 2007 1:56 PM:

As interesting as the question why certain USA's were fired is, the question why some weren't could be even more so.

Call it cronyism. Call it being a "loyal Bushie". Whatever you call it, it may very well applie to the United States Attorney for Montana, or should I say the Acting Associate Attorney General, Bill Mercer, who's played a large role in the USA scandal.

It seems that Mercer has been living a double life for quite some time now, and his performance has been called into question from outside the Department, yet the Attorney General has taken no steps to remedy the situation.

Andy K wrote on April 17, 2007 2:10 PM:

Wiiliam Ockham @ 11:30am-

I think you've got it right in regards to Chiara. In addition to the Abramoff concerns, there is the issue of the $200 billion in mineral and other resource rights owed to Native Americans that the Administration has been trying to settle for $7 billion.

For the un-informed, Chiara succeded Hefelfinger(upon his "resignation" as the USA in Minneapolis) as the chairperson of the AG's Native American Issues Subcommittee. Charlton, McKay, Iglesias and Bogden also sat on that subcommittee.

Security word: "roll", as in, "Heads will roll."

Arkansan wrote on April 17, 2007 2:17 PM:

Huckabee corruption-where to start?

His last few weeks in office offer a sampling of what the state enjoyed for 10 long years.

On his way out of office he had the hard drive of every computer remotely affiliated with the Governor’s office physically destroyed (“crushed”), including the computer at the airport where the state plane was stored. That last destruction was likely to prevent disclosure of ongoing misuse of the state plane for personal purposes. To have the computers destroyed he had to exhaust an emergency fund intended for disaster relief, leaving the incoming governor without one thin dime in that account. He then had some of the computers replaced, at the about $4,000 each, which was an unauthorized use of state funds from another agency.

The incoming governor had no office furniture, Huckster stole it.

He stole the lighting in the press office.

He stole furnishings donated to the governor’s mansion.

This is what is known publicly as reported in the very conservative local paper, who knows what else he pilfered on his way out of town that wasn’t reported.

The state AG system here is weak, so he has no authority to investigate or prosecute. The local prosecutor, who has the authority, isn’t interested; ditto that for the federal prosecutor.

freepatriot wrote on April 17, 2007 2:19 PM:

"Sampson's explanations about the Cummins firing were complex enough that different people could interpret the reasons for the firings differently."

well then. this answer isn't going to stand up, is it ???

we don't want some ambiguous shit

we want a FUCKING SINGLE STRAIGHT ANSWER TO A SINGLE FUCKING STRAIGHT QUESTION

why was Mr Cummings fired ???

cut out the bullshit and answer the fucking question

Vulture Breath wrote on April 17, 2007 2:42 PM:

When Tasia Scolinos emailed her colleagues at the DOJ, "let's muddy the waters", she meant for the public, the press, and Congress. Evidently everyone else at DOJ interpreted it as "muddy it for ourselves."

TheraP wrote on April 17, 2007 2:50 PM:

Simple Explanation:

IT'S A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE - DISGUISED AS GOVERNMENT!

Thugs. Liars. Cheaters. Exploiters.

With some Vestal Virgins from Regent thrown in.

MrToad wrote on April 17, 2007 3:08 PM:

I don't know, Arkansan - who more than Rove knows that truth or accuracy is unimportant when it comes to politics? Starting a big fishing trip, re-opening Whitewater- or _anything_-related cases near the election would seem to fit right in with his history. It would build on the long-standing GOP meme ("Hilary's corrupt and too mannish by half and can't be trusted!") and it really doesn't matter if it turns out to be exposed as BS as long as enough noise is generated to reinforce the idea. I'm not a big fan of Ms. Clinton, but after Gore and then Kerry, it should be clear that Rove and his gang will use any tool to 'muddy the waters', and the liberal media are only too ready to help liberally.

lestatdelc wrote on April 17, 2007 3:16 PM:

"Cummins was fired because Rove desperately needed an oppo researcher with all the power of a US Attorney to harass Hilary Clinton."

Interesting angle there.

Anonymous wrote on April 17, 2007 3:17 PM:

"Replacing Cummins with Griffin was a no-brainer - a three-for! Rove got Cummins off Blunt's back, installed an oppo researcher for Hillary, and installed protection for Huckabee all in one step...

I almost suspect the planned purge was a cover story for this one act... then Lam got added in because of the obvious danger to the administration, and then Iglesias to make Domenci happy, perhaps overplaying their hand.

Posted by: kis
Date: April 17, 2007 11:54 AM

--------

By golly you are onto something, a three-fer!

IIRC, Griffin was the first to be mentioned, they were even so careless as to tell Cummins he was let go for the sole purpose of making a place for Griffin. Cummins was told the replacement was so Griffin could enjoy this opportunity to pad his resume, but they couldn't tell Cummins the whole truth, now could they?

Cummins took it so well he made it look easy, so they got greedy.

Arkansan wrote on April 17, 2007 3:27 PM:

But if they were just going to make stuff up to go after Hillary, why not concoct a new "scandal" closer in time and geography? Naw, Hillary wasn't the reason, maybe, maybe, a bonus, but nothing more.

There were, however, two Republican scandals that a loyal Bushie could stop or prevent prosecution of, Blunt and Huckabee. When the Huckster returns to Arkansas after losing the presidential nomination he'll be looking for a job. There aren't that many statewide Republicans here who haven't been indicted, so keeping a likely senatorial candidate out of jail should be a high priority toward the goal of a permanent Republican majority.

If they only wanted Hillary they would have put Griffin in New York.

Nell wrote on April 17, 2007 3:32 PM:

Arkansan: What's the paper that's reported those stories? Are they online?

Spread this around big blogs, _with links_. Those facts need national airing very soon, to take the air out of the Huckabee balloon before it goes any higher.

Clancy J. wrote on April 17, 2007 3:41 PM:

When the boy was caught with his arm in the cookie jar - arm, understand, as in up to the elbow - his parents sat him at the dinner table and grilled him:
"What was that about, young man?"
"I was distributing the cookies evenly in the jar, to maintain equilibrium."
"Oh, really...what about the crumbs on your face?"
"A few of the cookies broke, sending crumbs in a kind of spray upward, into the area of my face. Happily, no injuries to report."
"So you didn't actually eat any cookies?"
"In terms of the word 'eat,' even the word 'consume,' it would be difficult to characterize what occurred at the cookie jar as 'eating,' for that presupposes a willful chewing. I would prefer as a characterization 'unwilling imbibing.'"
"Listen, mister! You weren't supposed to be anywhere near that cookie jar, understand? You're not supposed to eat cookies without asking first. You know that!"
"Alas, mother, father, we'll never know what really occurred in the vicinity of the cookier jar; it's just too complicated. Better to simply take my word for it, appreciate that no one got hurt and go from there."
The kid, from that day, ruled the roost.
So it goes.

jimbo92107 wrote on April 17, 2007 3:46 PM:

Complex answers from a complex man.

Who knew that mild-mannered Kyle Sampson was in reality...BATMAN??

hey, the code thingy speled potatoe rong. channeling dan quayle...

Jason wrote on April 17, 2007 4:22 PM:

George Castanza said, "Remember Jerry, if YOU believe it, its not a lie."

"salt"

Karen Johnson wrote on April 17, 2007 4:33 PM:

If one reads the subpeona, it is easy to find that included are any & all documents (in any/every form)from the DOJ regarding the USAG's. Including docs from former employees (sorry Sampson & Goodling)! As well as ANY & ALL docs originating from outside the DOJ (sorry WH) regarding the matter in question! It also make provisions for what is to occur if info is withheld...that it must be listed who is withholding, and what claim to authority they are using to withhold.

I suspect (hope) that the Dems on this issue are well aware of the sweeping nature of the crimes committed, and rather than let this end with AG, they are trying to drive this issue to it's source; the White House.

What it indeed seems like they (WH) are trying to cover by withholding the docs is voter fraud (along with the other perversions of justice). They have attacked it from both sides. They fired anyone who didn't pursue bogus Dem cases, and they fired those who were on Reps for voter fraud. Handy that.

Keep saying VOTER FRAUD; it is not a non-issue!! There is legitimate reason to believe that wide-scale was commited by Reps both in 2000 and 2004!!! The firings could be intended assure that investigations will not continue and no such shadow will be cast in 2008.

This article from RFK Jr is enlightening, it is one of MANY: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

bordersmuggler wrote on April 17, 2007 5:02 PM:

To Johnson's Dog:

What will it take to get the general public to realize that?

Arkansan wrote on April 17, 2007 5:11 PM:

Nell-

I tried to post links, but my comment was zapped into moderation. Too many links made it look like spam, I guess.

google "huckabee office furniture site:arktimes.com/blogs/arkansasblog/"

or

"huckabee hard drive crush site:arktimes.com/blogs/arkansasblog/"

to get started. There is an overwhelming amount of information on just those two scandals if you're interested.

I don't have time to research it, but on his way out of town Huckabee also used the emergency discretionary fund to make a sizable "donation" to the Red Cross, who in turn hired Huckabee's wife.

714Day wrote on April 17, 2007 5:14 PM:

It's always great to read these posts on the pages of America's new frontier where the bloodless revolution is playing out. It's grand to see the democracy returning to the people.
Most of the time it's difficult to believe it's possible to dislodge the miscreants who have plundered through The Constitution and The Bill of Rights as though they were printed on toilet paper.
But there are those times, too, when the light at the end of the tunnel seems to be getting brighter and brighter. At least, there's a flashlight flickering. These creeps didn't expect a search party to arrive looking for the victims and that's why they're going to go down.
Speaking of darkness
jimbo92107
Kyle Sampson is Robin, Karl Rove runs the Batcave. Too bad they aren't comic book heroes. They're risible, of course, but that wasn't their idea.

bordersmuggler wrote on April 17, 2007 5:19 PM:

Arkansan wrote:

"If they only wanted Hillary they would have put Griffin in New York. "

I'm sure that would have gone over very well with Chuck Schumer.

Arkansan wrote on April 17, 2007 5:29 PM:

In today's environment it wouldn't fly, but when all this started anything seemed possible to the administration. Remember, they had no reservations about replacing two USA's in California where there are two Democratic senators, one of whom is Barbara Boxer. Imagine their surprise that it was Feinstein who raised hell about that aspect of the scandal. That has to be almost as baffling to them as Pryor's objections here, but I digress.

They believed they could get away with anything, particularly after they had the Specter Amendment to the Patriot Act to pave the way. In that context, if they really wanted Hillary, they would have gone after her where they could do some real damage, at her home.

elrapierwit wrote on April 17, 2007 6:45 PM:

This is all just one big cluster phuck!!

code word: memory...lol lol

as in I can't recall...memory? what's that?

ahem wrote on April 17, 2007 11:23 PM:

It's already clear that there was at least an ass-coverage oppo research operation being run at high levels in DOJ -- let's call it 'Goodling's Shop'. Which means that everything was filed in at least two mutually-exclusive narratives: one to justify preservation, one to justify firing.

Kyle Sampson appears to have met Fitzgerald's true test of genius.

"There are clear easy messages:"

Yep: The Bush administration wanted to turn the Department of Justice into an agent of the Republican Party.

pre-Amerikkkan wrote on April 18, 2007 12:51 PM:

biggerbox, that was HILARIOUS! exactly how it feels sometimes, just wish i tear myself away and go onto the street and march to that blasted White House and scream "give my country back!"

code: flag, as in love of

(Native Americans are VERY patriotic but not as stupid as you think).

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