Comments (60)

DancingBear wrote on April 23, 2007 9:41 AM:

Rove is not obsessed with voter fraud as an issue. He's obsessed with the possibilities of using voter fraud as a weapon.

Crust wrote on April 23, 2007 9:42 AM:

Re: "[I]t's become clear that the most grossly politicized section of the department is the Civil Rights Division."

It's become clear that the Civil Rights Division is grossly politicized. But I wouldn't leap to the conclusion that it's necessarily the *most* grossly politicized. With this administration, cynicism is seldom unwarranted.

nofltwlt wrote on April 23, 2007 9:44 AM:

Please stop this non-sense of the GOP prosecuting voter fraud.

If the GOP was sincere in prosecuting voter fraud then they would be prosecuting republicans. The GOP purged thousands of Democratic voters from the poll - not the Democrats. Ken Blackwell (Ohio) did everything he could to suppress Democratic voters. The Arkansas USA (Griffiths) admitted in mis-routed emails that he "caged" 70,000 black, military and student voters.

Karl Rove's rants about voter fraud are an attempt to enact legislation that will further enable the GOP to suppress the will of the people.

Anonymous wrote on April 23, 2007 9:54 AM:

In Ohio where many people vote absentee to avoid lines and to insure there is a prayer their votes will be counted, an audit of voting systems was conducted recently. The results confirm what many believed, we now live in a banana republic.

This audit was conducted in Cuyahoga County, the same place where two election workers were recently convicted for rigging the recount in 2004. Yet, despite countless complaints, documented accounts of suppression, and now this frank verification that something is very wrong Rove never expressed an interest in “vote fraud” in Ohio, so there has not been any sort of federal investigation.

Things are as bad as you think they are:

"Audit Finds Many Faults in Cleveland’s ’06 Voting"

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"In a state that was pivotal to President Bush’s election and re-election, Cuyahoga County, which includes Cleveland, has seen more than its share of recent election troubles. Lines at polls there were hours long in the 2004 general election. And in the primaries last May, the county’s first experience with electronic voting, poll workers were absent or poorly trained, computer cards on which votes had been recorded were lost, and one polling place opened hours late. "

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"The audit found that some batches of ballots registered in optical scan machines had been scanned twice, producing a double count of those ballots.

Other ballots were deleted because of flawed data and, owing to human error, were not rescanned, the committee found."

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"The optical scan and touch-screen machines used in the county were made by Diebold Election Systems Inc. The audit committee said Microsoft’s JET file-sharing database system, which Diebold used, was known to have previously had problems that could result in corruption of the database."

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/20/us/20ohio.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Another important issue demonstrated in this story is that it proves that optical scan systems aren’t the panacea many believe. The only possible way to insure fair elections is paper ballots with random independent audits, every cycle.

splendidone wrote on April 23, 2007 9:55 AM:

Things were so much better when only rich white men got to vote, sigh.

Barbara wrote on April 23, 2007 10:02 AM:

I voted in an African American neighborhood for the 2000 election instead of in my usual neighborhood because it was near where I worked. Most if not all the poll workers were Republicans. We waited in line 3 hours to vote. It was the trial electronic system with no paper trail.

On the positive side the recent election (though I did not vote at the same polling site come to think of it) did have a paper trail and I only waited in line for an hour.

Jim wrote on April 23, 2007 10:03 AM:

The minority vote suppresion campaign from the Republican Party goes back at least through the Reagan era. I lived in Texas at that time, and local stories made the news about how the RNC was behind campaigns to put threatening signs outside polling places warning about punishment for vote fraud. When confronted, the party said they were just trying to keep the vote honest; when asked why they only choose minority neighborhoods, they replied because that's where the fraud is happening.

I have since heard other stories about that same tactic happening throughout the South, and I can remember at least one where the RNC gave out the same excuse as given above. So this vote suppression campaign isn't anything new, it;s just being pursued with a new level of aggrisiveness.

chimpeach wrote on April 23, 2007 10:08 AM:

nofltwlt:

"Please stop this non-sense of the GOP prosecuting voter fraud.

"If the GOP was sincere in prosecuting voter fraud then they would be prosecuting republicans."

You're confusing two different issues. The GOP is trying to put a disproportionate effort into prosecuting "voter fraud" while they have been resisting any real effort to deal with "election fraud". What you're describing as having taken place in Ohio was election fraud, not voter fraud.

Here's the difference: "Voter fraud" is what happens when someone tries to vote under a false identity or at the wrong location. That's relatively rare and U.S. Attorneys should not be diverted away from corruption cases to focus on it. "Election fraud" is when you have tampering with electronic voting machines, altered election returns, unwarranted destruction of voter registration cards and provisional ballots, deliberately providing groups of voters with misinformation about voting times and locations, attempts to interfere with a person's legal right to vote, etc. That's something that occurs far too often and the GOP has been heavily involved in perpetrating, but not prosecuting, instances of it in recent years.

Voter fraud vs. election fraud. Know the difference.

POed Lib wrote on April 23, 2007 10:15 AM:

Another important issue demonstrated in this story is that it proves that optical scan systems aren’t the panacea many believe. The only possible way to insure fair elections is paper ballots with random independent audits, every cycle.

I don't really agree with that. Yes, there was a problem with optical scan ballots. However, and this is important, the problem occurred at the point where results from different polling sites were combined centrally. This is a vital and important result, since it points to a specific action and one in which specific remedies can be used. When diagnosing a system like this voting system, if you can pin down the problem to one operation, you have made considerable progress. So, I consider that optical scan methods are NOT contra-indicated, but that the process of transfer must be carefully evaluated, and cross-checks must be added at this point.

Jane wrote on April 23, 2007 10:19 AM:

When Bush stole the first election in Florida the Republicans needed a propaganda response. Accusing the Democratic Party of committing voter fraud was that cover.

The Republicans would have lost that election if everyone in Florida who was entitled to vote had succeeded in voting for the person they intended to vote for. The various mechanisms the Republicans used to cheat were well documented.

The Republican party has a long history of suppressing the vote. (See Rehnquist among others) Using accusations of voter fraud to promote legislstion which forces voters to jump through hoops in order to vote has caused tens of thousands to forgo their right to vote.

The recent NY Times article documents that no significant voter fraud is occuring. Thie point if further proven by the failure of the Bush appointed, politically driven USAGs to find any major cases to bring to trial.

Republicans are not pursuing measures to suppress the vote because they are obsessed with voter fraud, they are pretending to be concerned about voter fraud so they can promote measure to suppress the vote without paying the political price.

Anonymous wrote on April 23, 2007 10:21 AM:

Karl Rove doesn't believe all the voter fraud nonsense but he does believe he can manipulate the evidence to his advantage in an attempt to suppress minority voters. Come to think of it- he's been amazingly successful. Talk to any Republican and they will tell you about all the dead voters on rolls who elected (fill in the blank with any Democrat). Democrats outnumber Republicans so Republicans have to cheat/suppress turnout to win. And they are amazing cheaters. They've got a president to show for it.

Anthony wrote on April 23, 2007 10:22 AM:

Bradley J. Schlozman, the major player who gutted the Civil Rights Dept. went on to replace US Attorney Bud Cummins of Missouri, without Senate involvement via the Patriot Act revisions of 2006, two weeks after it became law. He coincidentally indicted 4 workers of a group registering Democratic voters just 2 weeks prior to the 2006 election. These folks are the lowest of the lowest. Of course there was the McCaskill-Tlent race which was a nailbitter. Anyone else know of other indictments just prior to the 2006 elections, not covered by the MSM? Attention has been given to the ones surrounding the fired US attorneys? I wonder how many more 'just in time indictments' have occurred around the country.

Anthony wrote on April 23, 2007 10:25 AM:

Correction: He replaced Todd Graves.

Anonymous wrote on April 23, 2007 10:26 AM:

" So, I consider that optical scan methods are NOT contra-indicated, but that the process of transfer must be carefully evaluated, and cross-checks must be added at this point."

We don't disagree. Paper Ballots are better than the alternative by a long shot, but checks still must be in place to insure they are accurately counted. Verification must occur in every election cycle. There is no reason random, independent audits should be prohibitive.

bordersmuggler wrote on April 23, 2007 10:31 AM:

chimpeach

It is very important to distinguish between "voter fraud" and "election fraud." The ambiguity between the two is what RoveCo is able to successfully exploit. The state where opportunities for election fraud is now kept to a minimum is Oregon, which happens to be the one state that gives Uncle Karl fits.

Jean wrote on April 23, 2007 10:32 AM:

What we see over and over again is the GOP accusing the opposition of whatever it is they, themselves, are doing. This makes it seem that everyone's doing it.
The confusion noted above between "voter fraud" and "election fraud" I think is purposeful. It's used to make it look like the Dems are full of fraud, since that's what's being prosecuted. This distracts from election fraud on the part of the GOP.
Keep an eye out - any time the Reps start accusing the Dems of some new infraction, look back to the Reps to see how they are doing it themselves.

C Turner Joy wrote on April 23, 2007 10:33 AM:

nofltwlt said:

"The Arkansas USA (Griffiths) admitted in mis-routed emails that he "caged" 70,000 black, military and student voters."

I missed that. Can you provide a reference? Thanks.

Anthony wrote on April 23, 2007 10:35 AM:

Jane: In Arkansas, back in 1992, just before the Presidential election

From Media Matters

On Oct. 8 [1992], [Attorney General William] Barr convened a joint FBI-Justice Department panel to examine the referral [naming the Clintons as witnesses in the Whitewater case]. But the panel concluded that the referral "failed to cite evidence of any federal criminal offense." The panel's comment about the referral ranged from "junky" and "half-baked" to that its allegations were "reckless, irresponsible" and "odd."

Nevertheless, Barr put a preliminary investigation into motion and ordered Banks to review it again and to report back by Oct. 16, two weeks before the Nov. 3 election.

But, in fact, Banks had already concluded, and the FBI in Little Rock had agreed, that "no action should be taken on the referral at that time." Banks had already prosecuted Jim McDougal in 1990 for alleged bank crimes, and McDougal had been acquitted. Banks said further that he believed "no prosecutable case existed against any of the witnesses," most notably the Clintons.

Citoyen 92 wrote on April 23, 2007 10:47 AM:

Have a look at BradBlog this morning for a great rundown on the Missouri connection to this scandal. Changes at the DOJ in Washington were being made to ensure that Missouri went to the GOP in 2004:

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4447

PMS wrote on April 23, 2007 10:50 AM:

Don't forget the DeLay/RNC gerrymandered redistricting of Texas that the career DoJ Civil Rights staff said was unconstitutional, but were over-ruled by the appointed DoJ higher-ups.

Code word: BIRTH, as in a repeat performance of "Birth of a Nation".

Zandru wrote on April 23, 2007 10:50 AM:

Jean observed "What we see over and over again is the GOP accusing the opposition of whatever it is they, themselves, are doing."

The late, great Molly Ivins remarked on that often - the GOP seems to have become the party of projection.

I agree, this helps them to claim, if accused, that "everybody's doing it." It also enables the excuse "the Democrats are just accusing us to deflect attention from themselves."

It's another perfect scam.

Allen wrote on April 23, 2007 10:50 AM:

There is a solution: Get all eligible voters to the polls over the next 3 election cycles. This will relegate the GOP to the garbage can of history. The GOP has never enjoyed the support of a majority of Americans. They have simply been better at (1) getting their voters to the polls, and (2) impeding their opponents' (think, people without white skin and think, the poor) access to voting.

In addition, we should not lose sight of the fact that the GOP has long been dedicated to the destruction of our constitutional democratic republic.

Phill wrote on April 23, 2007 10:57 AM:

V.O.T.E. Fraud stands for Vile Old Turds Espousing Fraud.

chimpeach wrote on April 23, 2007 10:59 AM:

C Turner Joy:

"nofltwlt said:

"'The Arkansas USA (Griffiths) admitted in mis-routed emails that he 'caged' 70,000 black, military and student voters.'

"I missed that. Can you provide a reference? Thanks."

This might not be what notfltwlt had for a reference, but it's a very good piece about exactly the same thing and it does refer to Griffin playing "a role 'in massive Republican projects in Florida and elsewhere by which Republicans challenged tens of thousands of absentee votes.'"

Campaign Legal Center Blog
"Vote Suppression and the Gonzales 8 Scandal"
http://www.clcblog.org/blog_item-118.html

sisyphus wrote on April 23, 2007 11:06 AM:

Would it be melodramatic to suggest that this is the most serious, non-violent threat to our Republic?

Rigged elections are, as someone pointed out already, something one sees in banana republics. I would add, under fascist regimes as well.

I've been reading bits and pieces of voter suppression, "cleansed" voter lists, lost votes etc now since 2000 and it makes me almost physically ill to read about it.

If our corrupted DOJ won't do anything, could the DNC or citizens' group fight it in civil actions?

Maybe some of our legal experts can chime in here and help this and other concerned citizens.

Has any measurable progree been made in fighting or reversing the damage done?

xxx

Anthony wrote on April 23, 2007 11:07 AM:

Another one bites the dust. Court Rules Against Bush Administration: DoJ Failed To Show ‘That Any Voter Fraud Occurred’

"The case was led by the U.S. attorney for the Western District of Missouri, Bradley Schlozman, who earlier served in the Justice Department’s civil rights division. In 2005, he reversed the career staff’s recommendations to challenge a Georgia photo-ID law that a federal judge later likened to a “modern-day poll tax.”"

nellieh wrote on April 23, 2007 11:07 AM:

It would interesting to compare resumes of those from Regent and those not selected to determine what factors favored those fron Regent. IIt is obvious the D
OJ was trying anything they could to keep a permanent majority. Discrimination for any reason other than a felony is against the law. Especially religion. This was done with one of the objectives to investigate andprosecute voter fraud. Whether there was or not. Code word -- wound. What they have done to the DOJ

DallasNE wrote on April 23, 2007 11:11 AM:

It looks to me like the place to look for election fraud is inside the Justice Department, especially the Civil Rights Division. And to think that a minority is in charge of purging other minorities. There is already friction between African-American and Hispanic groups. This will only cause more friction. The "I'm a uniter, not a divider" strikes again.

T. Scheisskopf wrote on April 23, 2007 11:18 AM:

As regards the Ohio Voting Report:

As a geek, I find it horrifying that the JET database would be used for anything more mission-critical than recipes. It is horribly unstable and prone to corruption, facts commonly known in the IT industry.

But it's a great database to use if you want to lose data. Instant credibility.

"The database went bye-bye"

"What happened?"

"JET"

"oh"

judyinnm wrote on April 23, 2007 11:21 AM:

I remember sometime back (a year or two?) an article quoting some well-known Republic pol or pundit acknowledging that if the blacks & hispanics were removed from the equation, the Democrats would never win an election. So, it's all just a ploy to make sure that only "real Americans" get a vote.

Anonymous wrote on April 23, 2007 11:30 AM:

This sums up the Griffin crime well:

http://www.gregpalast.com/massacre-of-the-buffalo-soldiers

powkat wrote on April 23, 2007 11:34 AM:

If they had any confidence in what they believe, if they truly thought it was the best thing for the country, not just the best thing for them, they would be able to sell a program to the voters. Because they know it is only about money and power (more of both for them and their cronies) they resort to fraud.

This country has been run by a gang of criminals for the past 6 years, as ruthless as any drug lord. The Democrats thought they were running against political adversaries - but instead they were running aginst Tony Soprano's crew.

When I told people in 2000 that Bush would be a disaster, I underestimated.

jeffv wrote on April 23, 2007 11:43 AM:

How about Democracy in the USA? The hipocracy is stunning! What is our voter participation? 50%? And these brainiacs are trying to suppress voting? Which side of their mouths are we to believe?

trank wrote on April 23, 2007 11:47 AM:

talk radio is essential to the rove/bush propaganda machine. it's usually where the groundwork of uncontested repetition is done.

in albuquerque the local blowhards on the right wing station 770KKOB were blowing hard with the latest hints of Dem corruption and tying it to Heatherr Wilson's opponent, Patricia Madrid.

were those local DJs like Pat Frisch and Jim Villanuchi just getting their info from the local paper? was it coming from local friends in the GOP who were reading the paper? was any of it coming from insider sources? how much was coming from rove's talk radio talking points machine and what was the timing?

the same guys, with the national talent like Limbaugh and Hannity, were going strong with alien and Dem voter fraud. is it election fraud from the white house to make up or exaggerate voter fraud incidents and broadcast them all over the country in an organized media campaign?

rove can't resist the cuteness of twofers and threefers. they can tie illegal immigration to voter fraud and passing Orwellian ID laws that help suppress voting, divide the country, increase general fear levels that activate and draw in the bush base, distract from real election and voter fraud, etc.

their most effective tool in this effort and for getting mobs to intimidate election officials is talk radio. until some new kind of Fairness Doctrine is passed Rove's giant microphone will continue to convince Americans that Dems and progressives and liberals are a minority.

chimpeach wrote on April 23, 2007 11:54 AM:

The McClatchy article mentions Hans von Spakovsky. He was a recess appointment to the FEC and he's coming up for Senate confirmation pretty soon. Watch for it. If Bush decides to let him go through a confirmation hearing, it will be a huge opportunity to air all of this stuff. We'll get a chance to see him grilled over the Georgia ID law and hear why career DoJ civil rights attorneys were overruled.

EvilPoet wrote on April 23, 2007 12:00 PM:

C Turner Joy - Check out this link...

Outgoing and Incoming Mail: Dead Letter Office
http://2004.georgewbush.org/deadletteroffice/index.asp

Frank Burns wrote on April 23, 2007 12:13 PM:

Any updates on Ann Coulter's little voter fraud problem in Florida? (registered at two different addresses).

chimpeach wrote on April 23, 2007 12:18 PM:

EvilPoet,

http://2004.georgewbush.org/deadletteroffice/index.asp

- great reading, highly recommended

The excuse the Florida GOP gave for Griffin's "caging list" found in one of those e-mails was that the names on the list were "potential donors". Apparently, they thought that "caging" meant the same thing as "donating". But, there was another e-mail with an attached spreadsheet for the Nevada GOP that was called "Douglas County Voter Fraud Master Spreadsheet.xls". It's hard to disguise what that list was for. In the e-mail, it says: "Attached is the excel document with the returned mail from Douglas County."

Austin Cooper wrote on April 23, 2007 1:11 PM:

Ladies and Gentlemen -- It's early days yet, but **this** is what it's like to live in a country with Congressional oversight.

I'd nearly forgotten -- and I'm sure when these Thugs were firmly in control that they wanted nothing less than all of us to simply remain frightened and asleep.

This time, I hope we can clean the wound out sufficently to allow healing, and prevent the recurrence of infection.

fannyk wrote on April 23, 2007 1:35 PM:

The McClatchey article quotes a DOJ official as saying they supported renewal of the voting rights act. Is this correct? It seems at the time there was some question about whether it would be renewed because of the DOJ position that it was no longer necessary. Does anyone remember the details?

bjobotts wrote on April 23, 2007 1:47 PM:

When and what can and is being done to reverse the politicization of the DOJ. It stretches across the nation. Even here in Missouri we get Scholzman who has never prosecuted a single case(lucky us) from the DOJ appointed without senate approval. We got our own corrupt AG resignation and the investigation into Governor Blunt handing out no bid contracts to friends and family switched to Cummins in Ark. and stopped when he was fired. Missouri is main place for Voter fraud scams for the country. Rove's hit men are here. Investigation here will lead directly to WH. How much more must be revealed before we see this as a (so far) failed take over of our voting process implemented by the WH?

chuckles wrote on April 23, 2007 2:06 PM:

Just another day in Washington...chuckle chuckle

Stuart Shaffer wrote on April 23, 2007 2:47 PM:

The 'voter fraud' scam reminds me of the illogical but successfully implemented notion that Saddam Hussein, a fascist dictator, was cooperating with Osama Bin Laden, an anarchist. That idea never really passed the common sense test. The 'voter fraud' con is based on the obviously preposterous notion that voting is a valuable commodity to most Americans. Voter turnout statistics easily disprove this.

What this country really has is 'voting machine fraud.'

shoemoney wrote on April 23, 2007 4:05 PM:

I think we are all missing the point. This scandal exposed more than Gonzo's vacant stare. It exposed the fact that Bush and Rove were attempting to use the Justice Department to enact their promise of several years ago: a permanent Republican majority.

Rove had no business involving himself in the internal considerations of employment at the Justice Department. He is the presidents political advisor, that is all. The only reason for his involvement at all was to use the Justice Department to influence the mid term elections to ensure a Republican victory. Bush and Rove attempted to prostitute our Justice Department to the Republican party.

While I can agree Bush had the constitutional authority to fire these prosecutors, he had neither the moral authority or the ethical standing to do so. This, I believe, is the real issue here. To be distracted by anything else is irrelevant.

Alana wrote on April 23, 2007 4:54 PM:

What I'm seeing is that something was amiss in previous election cycle and the Dems were not supposed to get control of either House of Congress.

So I'm thinking these people are more desperate NOW to get it back.

They of course are not counting that the people are watching with ever so much interest of who these perps are and what they are doing to the nation.

They are acting like cornered animals and that is when they most dangerous

714Day wrote on April 23, 2007 5:07 PM:

Just a reminder that Rove stated in his speech to Republican attorneys in the pursuit of bogus voter fraud that elections get down to who "stuffs" the ballot box the best. It was a blatant confession as to the genuine voter fraud that Rasputin intended to commit.
Denying minority rights is just a part of plan.

pre-ameriKKKan wrote on April 23, 2007 5:36 PM:

The only voter fraud I'd be worried about is the chance that some wingnut candidate changes parties because they know that an (R) spells "doom" if it's attached to your name.

Anonymous wrote on April 23, 2007 8:34 PM:

Shoe, Bush and Rove didn't *attempt* to prostitute the Justice Department; they succeeded.

The Oracle wrote on April 23, 2007 8:49 PM:

I would expect that what Karl Rove and certain Republicans have been doing involving voter purges would be something that a Communist Party would do.

Therefore, sigh, when did the Republican Party become Communist?

When did the Republican Party of today sell their souls for totalitarianism, monopolism and authoritarianism, becoming no more than an adjunct of the Communist Party of Stalin and Mao?

When did certain members of the Republican Party stop being loyal and patriotic Americans and begin hating our democracy so much that they would actively seek to subvert our democratic institutions and democratic form of government?

When did certain Republican Party members decide that outing the identity of a deep-cover covert CIA operative was acceptable, and why aren't these traitors serving time in prison alongside Ames and Hansen?

In my humble view, any American who votes Republican in the foreseeable future is voting for treason, for corruption, for greed and ultimately for evil incarnate, and all because a relatively small segment of the Republican Party has tainted the reputations of all Republicans, including those who still have a smidgen of loyalty to our Constitution and democracy, those who haven't been brainwashed by only hearing Fox News' RNC/Rove talking points, those who haven't been seduced by the satanic mutterings of Pat Robertson, James Dobson and Jerry Falwell who want a theocratic police state to replace our fair democracy.

Poor, poor Republicans. The only way they could conceivably win anything in November 2008 is if they resort to insidious Rovian tactics, and steal another election. However, now that many of us are aware of the evil in our midst, we will be watching all the Republicans very closely from now on.

trank wrote on April 23, 2007 10:04 PM:

oracle, republicans can thank the unaccountable repetition possible on talk radio for the trashing of their party and our country. Faux news gives image to the groundwork laid down by Rove/bush's most important media tool but it, like print and internet has a smaller and less captive audience.

psyopswatcher wrote on April 23, 2007 11:06 PM:

Who's the GE Security Specialist on the WH payroll? A member of the president’s Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board:

http://nationaljournal.com/about/njweekly/stories/2006/0711nj1.htm?alpha#list

"Employees on loan to the White House from their home agencies appear on the list in italics; one intelligence operative was not identified by the White House by name. And there are other curiosities: a General Electric security specialist (and retired Air Force general) is listed as an “employee” and member of the president’s Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board, at a per diem rate of $548. The White House is not required by law to make public any complete accounting of staff or individual salaries."

Civil Liberties Oversight Board?

LiarBrigade wrote on April 23, 2007 11:36 PM:

Check this out:
http://www.alternet.org/story/50941/

tekel wrote on April 24, 2007 2:30 AM:

I think the time might be ripe for a post about the difference between voter fraud, and election fraud. All this attention to the one makes me wonder if they've been working hard on the other.

Security code "dress," as in "We're all wearing the blue dress now."

pre-amerikkkan wrote on April 24, 2007 5:34 AM:

When turdblossom referred to THE math in '06, what did you think he was talking about?

chris from boca wrote on April 24, 2007 6:06 AM:

i question why the democrats don't label rove a traitor in every sound byte associated with the slime bucket.

why don't we fight back? take on their best weapon. use his own track record against him? subpoena his ass and hold him in contempt of congress if he invokes executive privilege. go to the mat. we react to his allegations of voter fraud as though it were mother theresa mounting this sham. hold him up to public scrutiny. he is at once bush's greatest weapon and greatest weakness. there must be consequences for this asshole. frankly, i'm surprised that no one has taken a shot at him yet.

Mr.Murder wrote on May 9, 2007 12:30 AM:

Stubby Stumbaugh is under FBI investigation. Cummins was the USA for his district. He was the opponent of incumbent Rep.Marion Berry(D-Ark.) and these items may bear urgency on his initial removal ahead of the other attorneys.

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