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Anonymous wrote on May 18, 2007 1:59 PM:

I'm beginning to wonder if some Republicans are now coming out to make a statement against Gonzales because they have inside information that a new AG has been selected and Gonzales has already planned to step down, perhaps next Friday, just in time for a recess appointment. People like Coleman can then say to their constituents that they asked Gonzales to resign, even though they only came out with the statement after they knew that he was leaving anyway.

Dennis wrote on May 18, 2007 2:03 PM:

I cast a vote for no confidence in Gonzales.

I cast a vote for no confidence in George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and their adminstrations.

I cast a no confidence vote in the CIA, FBI, DOJ, Homeland Security, and all other departments that have covered up for this administration. And probably to come, the Supreme Court.

And last, but not least, I cast a vote to throw out the whole damned congress and start all over again.

You don't have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

Barry Champlain wrote on May 18, 2007 2:04 PM:

And there you have it, in shorthand.

A vote of no confidence by a bipartisan majority in Congress, is merely "a political stunt".

It's only authoritative, when the Decider Guy does it. To hell with an entire branch of government.

Spencer's Mom wrote on May 18, 2007 2:05 PM:

In other words, "we don't care what you think, we don't care what the American people think, we don't care what the world thinks. The president is the Decider, and he will decider that he wants to do, when he wants to do it, and NO ONE will tell him otherwise. We don't need no stinkin' CONFIDENCE!"

Just like a petulant 2-year-old...

Some days, I'm just embarassed to be an American. I love my country and it sickens me to watch it flushed down the drain.

PEACE

P J Evans wrote on May 18, 2007 2:05 PM:

I'd say that was weaseling, but that would insult honest mustelids everywhere.

cobwebhead wrote on May 18, 2007 2:05 PM:

Political stunt? These people are beyond shameless. Someone please remind me why "impeachment is not on the table"?

Derelict wrote on May 18, 2007 2:08 PM:

So depressing that the press is so ar out of it. Gonzales' crimes are many, easily recognized and revealed, and should have been the lead story for every newscast and newspaper for the last six weeks. In a rational world, the press would have hounded this bafoon from office long ago, and he'd be under indictment right now.

Instead, we're treated to this nonsense. Feh!

Code word: FACE. As in "In your face."

nuncamas wrote on May 18, 2007 2:08 PM:

Unfortunately, anonymous above, that sounds distressingly likely. I hope Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid have a procedural means available to leave the Congress technically in session through the holiday. Can't they just not call it a recess or adjournment, just stay in session with no scheduled business for five days? or leave some members in Washington in both chambers? Given C-Spans mandatory coverage there should be a few members who would enjoy the camera time.

SC = stiff, as in stiff-arm that recess appointment tactic!

profit wrote on May 18, 2007 2:09 PM:

Any bets as to who would be an 'interim' appointment?

My money is on Miers.

mo2 wrote on May 18, 2007 2:09 PM:

Bush and his mouthpiece have said many times that "Congress was briefed appropriately." The way they claim this over and over makes me believe that the briefings should be examined for their legality/constitutionality. Did the briefings meet the legal definition of appropriate?

Anonymous wrote on May 18, 2007 2:11 PM:

"I'm beginning to wonder if some Republicans are now coming out to make a statement against Gonzales because they have inside information that a new AG has been selected and Gonzales has already planned to step down, perhaps next Friday, just in time for a recess appointment. "

Is a recess appointment possible? If so, Pelosi and Reid should announce immediately that there will be no recess until Gonzales resigns or has been fired, and his replacement is confirmed by the Senate.

Old Hat wrote on May 18, 2007 2:12 PM:

ITMFA.

Undecided wrote on May 18, 2007 2:13 PM:

Pelosi said only that impeachment of the Decider Guy is off the table.

Stormwatcher wrote on May 18, 2007 2:15 PM:

Bush and Cheney have to keep Gonzales as long as possible. Any replacement has to be approved by the Senate. Any approved replacement would appoint special prosecutors to investigate ( i.e. Fitzgerald ). Any investigations would uncover coverups or crimes. Gonzales is the last legal means of obstruction to investigations Bush and Cheney have left.

Ron Robertson wrote on May 18, 2007 2:15 PM:

Is it really possible for the Whitehouse Occupant to make a recess appointment of the AG? I wouldn't think he'd be allowed that, any more than I'd think he could make a recess appointment of a cabinet member.

Caligirl wrote on May 18, 2007 2:18 PM:

Congress will not be holding the no confidence vote from the deck of an aircraft carrier! Congress will accomplish the mission the American people gave them in Nov 2006.

SC Push
If Gonzo won't protect the Constitution he must be pushed out. Our Congress has a duty to see that happen.

jolly ranchero wrote on May 18, 2007 2:19 PM:

I think it's all ebbing and no flowing at this point.

moondancer wrote on May 18, 2007 2:19 PM:

That sort gets to the point I'm wondering about. Why arent every chairman of the last 2 congresses resigning and begging forgiveness of their constituents for dereliction of duty. There has to be a line somewhere that even gop's wont cross to not rock the boat.

Elisabet wrote on May 18, 2007 2:22 PM:

"Is it really possible for the Whitehouse Occupant to make a recess appointment of the AG?"

Possible, yes. Legal or constitutional? I have no idea. But when have such petty concerns as legality or constitutionality stopped this administration from doing whatever the hell they wanted?

AngryDesi wrote on May 18, 2007 2:22 PM:

Short of something really drastic by Congress, I don't think Bush is going to ask for Fredo's resignation.

Think about it - if Ashcroft wasn't willing to do his bidding - what kind of crap has Bush been able to push through with his boy in charge?

If Fredo is the only thing separating Bush from being convicted of high crimes against the Constitution, I'd keep him in there as long as possible, regardless of whether he has any credibility or not.

chats72 wrote on May 18, 2007 2:25 PM:

Amazing. Why is Bush so steadfast in his support of a figure who has proven to be inept, incompetent and very possibly criminal. What could Gonzales possibly have on Bush?

Yossarian wrote on May 18, 2007 2:29 PM:

This just out: Gonzales has been selected to be the new head of the Homeland insecurity department and the prez is bringing Wolfotwit to be the AG. And also, Chaney has decided to retire and become the prez of Iraq with Libby as his prime minister.

BushLips SinxShips wrote on May 18, 2007 2:30 PM:

Crooks have full confidence in each other, and will take full responsibility, be accountable, etc.

So much emptyness.

Johnny2Bad wrote on May 18, 2007 2:30 PM:

That's a big Ebb.

Rusty wrote on May 18, 2007 2:31 PM:

"Republicans are now coming out to make a statement against Gonzales because they have inside information that a new AG has been selected and Gonzales has already planned to step down, perhaps next Friday, just in time for a recess appointment."

The most logical thing I have heard all day. I really don't think Abertross will make it past next Friday. But, I've been wrong before. Can the Decider Guy really recess appoint an AG?

Sigh - not that any behavioral precident matters anymore.

SC - smell, like __________ (insert joke here)

global yokel wrote on May 18, 2007 2:32 PM:

I've come to the conclusion that to be a Republican, you have to believe very strongly in myth. Facts are inconvenient obstacles; myth is everything.

mo2 wrote on May 18, 2007 2:33 PM:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/congress/jan-june06/nsa_02-08.html
GWEN IFILL: Only eight members of Congress-- the majority and minority leaders of both Houses and the chairmen and ranking members of the Intelligence Committees -- were briefed on the previously secret surveillance effort.

But in July 2003, one of them, West Virginia Democrat Jay Rockefeller, sent this handwritten note to the vice president. It read in part: "Given the security restrictions associated with this information, I feel unable to fully evaluate, much less endorse, these activities."

...
VICE PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY: If we had briefed all of the members of the Intelligence Committee, both Houses, as some have suggested, we would have had to brief 70 members of Congress into this program, because that's how many people have served on those two committees over the intervening four years.

JIM LEHRER: That would have been wrong?

VICE PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY: That's not a good way to keep a secret.

H8Generation wrote on May 18, 2007 2:37 PM:

meg·a·lo·ma·ni·a
1890, from Fr. mégalomanie, formed from Gk. megas (gen. megalou) "great" (see mega-) + mania "madness."
"The megalomaniac differs from the narcissist by the fact that he wishes to be powerful rather than charming, and seeks to be feared rather than loved. To this type belong many lunatics and most of the great men of history." [Bertrand Russell]

And George Bush does think he will be considered great one day.

anonymous wrote on May 18, 2007 2:38 PM:

So, if voter fraud was such an important issue that 7, 8, 9 (who knows how many) US Attorneys were fired for failing to make it a priority, then why doesn't that make the list along with terrorism and child predators?

Security Code "fire" as Bush should fire Gonzales.

Yossarian wrote on May 18, 2007 2:39 PM:

mo2, Cheney is right! You see if you let too many people know the secret they will go and speak to Al Queda about it. I mean look around you, everyone is Al Queda until they show they aren't circumcised, then of course it could also mean that they may be Jewish but hey there aren't that many of them and they are irrelevant. This is called the Cheney doctrine.

John S wrote on May 18, 2007 2:41 PM:

Excuuuuse me. But could someone please explain to Tony Fratto that declining to prosecute child predators in Texas is being weak on enforcing child predator laws! Scumbags is too weak of word to describe this administration and its enablers.

Woodhall Hollow wrote on May 18, 2007 2:42 PM:

Yossarian--fyi, all Muslim men are required by their religion to be circumcised. Otherwise, your point is well taken.

Yossarian wrote on May 18, 2007 2:43 PM:

I want George Bush to run for 4 more years! Four more years of his administration and we will truly be humbled. That is what we need and that is all what George is trying to teach us Sodomites. How to be humbled in the world. Get it? You ingrates.

Yossarian wrote on May 18, 2007 2:47 PM:

Woodhall Hollow, i did say "aren't circumcised" which means muslims since they are required to be circumcised. We in USA are just circumcised at birth regardless of our families religious belief unless they specifically ask not to have that done. Sorry for making such a big deal about it but that is where i was coming from. Thanks nevertheless.

Steve5117 wrote on May 18, 2007 2:55 PM:

H8Generation

He will be known as the Greatest Political Fuck Up in history.

Yossarian wrote on May 18, 2007 2:55 PM:

I believe we should all praise this administration for their thugishness. I mean cmon wake-up at all the fake thuggery the rappers display everyday in their videos and yet they keep getting rich off of sales. These guys are the real mccoy, we should pay them more and listen more keenly to what they are saying about the world. Listen to them the way you would listen to Dobson, Falwell, and Billy Graham.

Sholom wrote on May 18, 2007 3:12 PM:

""Republicans are now coming out to make a statement against Gonzales because they have inside information that...."

Nahh -- it's just that they are feeling the heat, checking public opinion, looking at the their re-elections, and trying to be the last rat on the sinking ship.

As for why Bush is so steadfastly behind AG, that's obvious, too: AG's obstructionism is the last barrier that's keeping the investigations out of the White House itself.

SC = "snake" (too easy)

Al Christensen wrote on May 18, 2007 3:12 PM:

Not ebb and flow, just ebb.

pt bridgeport wrote on May 18, 2007 3:16 PM:

Any bets as to who would be an 'interim' appointment?
They can't even trust Ted Olson; he was with the Comey/Goldsmith faction during the Wednesday Night Ambush.

Perhaps it's come time for Ticky Dick to finally take one for the team. It would hurt, but under these dire conditions he might yield up Addison to head DoJ.

bordersmuggler wrote on May 18, 2007 3:17 PM:

The Frank Bowman post on Slate today provides a reasonable grounds for impeachment of Gonzales.

"Congress could and should impeach Alberto Gonzales. One ground for doing so ... is the attorney general's amnesiac prevarication in his testimony before the Senate and the House. But if Congress wants more, it need look no further than the firing of David Iglesias, former U.S. attorney in New Mexico. The evidence uncovered in Gonzales' Senate and House testimony demonstrates that he fired Iglesias not because of a policy disagreement or a management failure, but because Iglesias would not misuse the power of the Department of Justice in the service of the Republican Party. To fire a U.S. attorney for refusing to abuse his power is the essence of an impeachable offense."

http://www.slate.com/id/2166469/nav/tap1/

bobh wrote on May 18, 2007 3:21 PM:

if the decider guy wants to try to appoint a cabinet member as a recess appointment you might just see schumer sharpen his knives in front of a camera...not going to happen....unless bushco really does want a civil war.

Cervantes wrote on May 18, 2007 3:29 PM:

Amazing. Why is Bush so steadfast in his support of a figure who has proven to be inept, incompetent and very possibly criminal. What could Gonzales possibly have on Bush?

That's a joke, right? An attempt at deep irony? Because if it isn't, the answer is way, way too easy for a hint.

Mike Valentine wrote on May 18, 2007 3:30 PM:

A bad case of the I don't give a dams.

Time to take off the gloves Mr. Senators and impeach. Your never going to get the e-mails you want, need and have a right to and Bush is showing you his ass just a shining in the sunlight. What the heck is Senator Specter thinking? That Bush will suddenly fess up?

Have the vote of no confidence and then IMPEACH.

J wrote on May 18, 2007 3:32 PM:

I find it odd that they hype Gonzo and his child protection so often... could that be the future justification for when they're caught warrantless and wiretapping US citizens?

It's interesting to see what citizen-apathy gets you.

ccs wrote on May 18, 2007 3:34 PM:

Cornyn will be AG. Texas Gov. Perry then gets to appoint a replacement. Say hello to Senator DeLay.

Partha wrote on May 18, 2007 3:36 PM:

Q Quickly, back on Gonzales. Would the White House consider a vote of no confidence to have any procedural impact at all, or would you consider it an empty political stunt?
===================================================

Any idea who asked this particular question? Son of Jeff Gannon rearing its head, perhaps? Oh, I know, maybe the fox news reporter?

Steve5117 wrote on May 18, 2007 3:36 PM:

Any artists out there to show the commander guy at the helm of a sinking ship?

Perhaps hung up on the tip of an iceberg!

emal wrote on May 18, 2007 3:46 PM:

Vot of No confidence with repukes..Na Ga Happen.
Remember its not what republicans say in public, its what they do or how they vote that matters. I guarantee Bushco and Fredo are strongarming them into lockstepping as we type. If Fredo goes (and I say he doesn't) its one less distraction and barrier into the inner dark sanctum of Bush Rove Cheney world of illegality and ruthlessness and immorality. Nope. Fredo is not ebbing he's flowing right into Junya's heart...Loyalty to a fault. Criminals still need to stick together.

moondancer wrote on May 18, 2007 3:51 PM:

They will do anything to hold onto fredo. If any outsider gets a whiff of the stench in DOJ, the whole admin is in jeopardy of coming down and they know it

moondancer wrote on May 18, 2007 3:51 PM:

They will do anything to hold onto fredo. If any outsider gets a whiff of the stench in DOJ, the whole admin is in jeopardy of coming down and they know it

JamesRobert wrote on May 18, 2007 3:53 PM:

Folks, let's not get toooo far into despair. The country is not going down the tubes. Or if it is, the truth remains that political stinkoramas like this have happened before -- indeed the stench has been even worse. We'll get through this. Hopefully, and this is one of the biggest challenges, hopefully the country will have had enough of the unitary executive that power will vest more in the congress and less in the president than it has since FDR. That would be good. But even with over-strong presidents, we've done pretty darn well for ourselves. I'm just as disgusted by Bush and his incompetent cronyism as anyone, and I weep at the missed opportunities and wasted lives and energy when someone like this is in charge. But I'm not ready to say that the country is headed down the tubes in any real or permanent way.
Cheer up, folks!

tbhull wrote on May 18, 2007 3:56 PM:

Congress should not approve DOJ funding unless and until Alberto resigns.

Jim Battle wrote on May 18, 2007 3:59 PM:

Let's get this clear. Democrats suggest Gonzales resign; Fratto says:

"I think it adds up to the bottomless bag of tricks that Democrats in the Senate would like to pull..."

Some Republicans raise the same issues; Fratto says:
"We understand that there are senators who have different views."

Intellectual dishonesty. Two people raise the same point; the Democrat is playing a dirty trick, and the Republican just has a different of opinion.

dee illuminati wrote on May 18, 2007 4:06 PM:

This actually surreal, what astonishes me is the decision making of the decider and his cast of cohorts. The POTUS expressing his full confidence in Gonzales, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Libby, Feith, Cambone, and of course Josh Bolton proves that he subscribes to the theory of being wrong, lying, or behaving criminal is what he approves. This was not a crass democratic stunt. What you are truly beholding is the bubble decision making, the 'faith based policy' and 'assesments' of these people when the old saying: 'never let the facts stand in the way of your convictions' holds true. The neoconservatives whom are not REPUBLICAN subscribe to the nobile lie. They have the sense of destiny and role of a 'elitist' or the 'philosopher king.' But sadly many experts in their respective fields disagreed. Starting with General Shineski, Ambassador Wilson, the contorted story of if or if not Tenet authorized the nuclear statements or if curveball was reliable, all of that irrelevant to bubble thought. I'm looking forward to seeing what Regent university has to offer as testimony next week. William G. Boykin as an example... you attempt to ascribe logical motives to these people and what you find is that logic does not apply. Here is the most alarming thing to consider: The POTUS is expressing his full confidence in these people while the Middle East which is of vital national interest is ripping apart under their stewardship. The POTUS is expressing his full confidence in people like this when our armed forces find themselves in a combat zone, civil war, and mission where the only plan it seems to be is 'full confidence' in the old decisions which have proven to be failures! What is really alarming is not that Gonzales is hanging on, or that his qualifications did not elicit his own alumni to disown him in his interpretation of the law, no the genuinely alarming fact is that the POTUS is seemingly incapable of making rational assesments as to the competence and effectiveness of his staff.

moondancer wrote on May 18, 2007 4:10 PM:

I dont need cheering up; I need someone to go after this cabal. MSM needs to keep this on the "front page" til they all fall down..

Mark wrote on May 18, 2007 4:15 PM:

When a child plugs their ears and screams "LA LA LA I CANT HEAR YOU!", what's the appropriate response?

WeNeedOversightNow! wrote on May 18, 2007 4:40 PM:

great observation Mr Battle, spin job mouthpieces like Tony Snow need to be exposed for the corrupt manipulators that they are.

I mean does anybody beleive a word this puppet says?

Yossarian wrote on May 18, 2007 4:59 PM:

Let the prez do what he wants! Cmon you libs. Let our master do what he wants. He is the second coming of Christ. He will lead us to the promised land. The land of sour cream and vinegar. Ah, i can't wait to see that beautiful day. What a glorious day it shall be. George Christ sitting on the right side of Lord the Dog, i mean God, and the rest of us believers cheering and eating sour cream with vinegared Lays Potato chips. Sippin' on wine and gin! Laid back! Ah, geeah!

Security Code: chin (as in "Dick has something on his chin")

Yossarian wrote on May 18, 2007 5:12 PM:

Here are some questions that the lib community needs to ponder. Do you really want to see George Christ gone? Do you really want us to lose the second coming? And think what you will do when this great soul is out of the office, what will you do then? Who will you pick on then Hillary, Obama, Edwards, McPain, Guiliani, whoeverelse? Just think about how boring your existence will become. I think we should marvel at what we have and just let him be what he is. Ah, the sound of a one handed clap is so sweet!

TEL wrote on May 18, 2007 5:13 PM:

Excellent article about just how incompetent Gonzalez is:

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20070518.html

It's the first article I've seen that explains why he got questions about where the Jefferson investigation stands in the hearings.

Billyboy wrote on May 18, 2007 5:17 PM:

I think reporters would better understand how to cover the Bush Administration if they hark back to their early days when they covered, say, the county highway department.

Marty Didier wrote on May 18, 2007 5:37 PM:

Who needs to worry about Public Confidence when the system is being manipulated to control what it wants?

We all should remember that this all started with finding corruption and questionable behavior. From the minute Abramoff surfaced with Gus Boulis’s Casino Boats Business “the problem” started to grow exponentially. So what happened to Gus Boulis? He was murdered Gangland style by MOB hit men in Florida. Are there MOB links to all of this as well?

My personal life’s experience of more than 26 years crosses with Gus Boulis Casino Boat and Sandwich businesses. It also crosses with many MOB links, Chiquita, Drummond and many more.

Here’s another one to think about that isn’t in the news yet. Huge cocaine shipments are coming into the US and one in particular is $100 Million a week crossing into the US into Texas. The trucks never are stopped as they are granted safe passage all the way from when the cocaine is put on the trucks in Mexico to their final destination. This shipment comes in on a Pepper Truck carrying Peppers. The Pepper odor covers the drug odor. This has been going on for decades. I was told the shipments are protected by corruption which guarantees safe passage. In Chicago, this weekly shipment is split and shared with New York and Florida. Maybe we need to look deeper into who were the Governors of the States which this shipment passes through? Also, I know there are other shipments to other parts of the US equally as large and as frequent.

There's a lot more but this is it for now. Maybe Gonzales has more to worry about?

Marty Didier, Northbrook, IL

Richard L. Adlof wrote on May 18, 2007 5:38 PM:

Gone-lawless is a firewall and they won't pull the plug.

While the case that AG the AG is stupid f**k is easier than shooting fish in a barrel with a shotgun . . . Making the argument that he is incompetent is purely wrong-headed.

Yes, Gonzales is not providing the American People with the service we are paying him for . . . He is stealing/defrauding our money to pay for his criminal enterprise. He is servicing the President . . . Much to the wanton pleasure of the President.

Dr. Cygnus Paradox wrote on May 18, 2007 5:54 PM:

After seeing Fredo's replay from the Press Club earlier this week (where he reminded the gathering that he and the rest of the rest of DOJ works for the Resident in Chief, as compared to the taxpayers), I called Sen. Alexander's office today to state my strong support for impeachment of Fredo. I was told that my comment "would be added to the tally." by the the staffer I spoke to. Does this mean that there might be a groundswell of folks tired of the stench from DOJ?

I also called Reps Cohen (on the Judiciary Comm) and Gordon (representing my district) to say the same, though neither one of their staffers gave a response like Alexander's did.

What knives are being sharpened behind closed doors, hmmm?

JNagarya wrote on May 18, 2007 5:54 PM:

"Bush and Cheney have to keep Gonzales as long as possible. Any replacement has to be approved by the Senate. Any approved replacement would appoint special prosecutors to investigate ( i.e. Fitzgerald ). Any investigations would uncover coverups or crimes. Gonzales is the last legal means of obstruction to investigations Bush and Cheney have left.

"Posted by: Stormwatcher
Date: May 18, 2007 02:15 PM"

And as long as Gonzales is there, totally neutered, the longer the issue stays alive. So stay or leave, Bushit, et al., is going down.

SC = seem. As in, it seems Bushit, et al., are unseemly.

dejavu wrote on May 18, 2007 6:02 PM:

for what it's worth, its entirely constitutional & legal for the POTUS to recess appoint someone to any federal position. even a supreme court justice (eisenhower), even a cabinet memeber (bush sr). of course, in this scenario, as "bobh" alluded to above, we'd have a full-fledged constitutional crisis on our hands, as about 70% of the country would scream bloody murder.

JNagarya wrote on May 18, 2007 6:03 PM:

"Excellent article about just how incompetent Gonzalez is:

"http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20070518.html

"It's the first article I've seen that explains why he got questions about where the Jefferson investigation stands in the hearings.

"Posted by: TEL
Date: May 18, 2007 05:13 PM"

It is an excellent article, and an important take no one else has articulated. It is the first hard evidence that Gonzales is actually incompetent -- except at lying -- not only pretending to be.

(Actually, Bush, et al., are quite competent at what they're about. What they are incompetent about is governance. But they aren't, in their intents, there to govern, so that doesn't matter to them. They expect competent lying, backed and abetted by secrecy, will result in their accomplishing their goals.)

On issues of Executive power, Congressional powers, and separation of powers issues, John Dean is a national treasure.

Dr. Cygnus Paradox wrote on May 18, 2007 6:08 PM:

Cervantes noted wryly: "Amazing. Why is Bush so steadfast in his support of a figure who has proven to be inept, incompetent and very possibly criminal. What could Gonzales possibly have on Bush?"

Remember, it was Fredo and Karen Hughes who purged Emperor Chimpus Maximus' National Guard records, especially those detailing his AWOL details, as it was Fredo who purged not only Chimpus' DUI records, but also possibly the coke conviction over which Jim Hatfield (right name? - the Author of 'Fortunate Son' who was later found a 'Suicide') was ridiculed and smeared when he brought it up in his book.

I'd say Fredo knows where quite a *lot* of bodies are buried; like Rove, Chimpus can't afford to let him hang slowly, slowly in the wind, lest he be looking at becoming someone's bitch on B Block.

Like the Corleones, it's only business, baby . . .

mo2 wrote on May 18, 2007 6:12 PM:

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/17781
(by Larisa Alexandrovna)
Shortly after the 9/11 attacks, President George W. Bush issued an order to the Central Intelligence Agency, Department of Defense, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the State Department, and his cabinet members that severely curtailed intelligence oversight by restricting classified information to just eight members of Congress.

"The only Members of Congress whom you or your expressly designated officers may brief regarding classified or sensitive law enforcement information," he writes, "are the Speaker of the House, the House Minority Leader, the Senate Majority and Minority Leaders, and the Chairs and Ranking Members of the Intelligence Committees in the House and Senate."

The order is aimed at protecting "military security" and "sensitive law enforcement."

But what was said to be an effort to protect the United States became a tool by which the Republican chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee Pat Roberts (R-KS) ensured there was no serious investigation into how the administration fixed the intelligence that took the United States to war in Iraq or the fabricated documents used as evidence to do so.

Richard L. Adlof wrote on May 18, 2007 6:18 PM:

Gone-lawless is a firewall and they won't pull the plug.

While the case that AG the AG is stupid f**k is easier than shooting fish in a barrel with a shotgun . . . Making the argument that he is incompetent is purely wrong-headed.

Yes, Gonzales is not providing the American People with the service we are paying him for . . . He is stealing/defrauding our money to pay for his criminal enterprise. He is servicing the President . . . Much to the wanton pleasure of the President.

Anonymous wrote on May 18, 2007 6:25 PM:

on thinkprogress, has a portion which states that Gonzales will resign tonight? They state this from an inside source.

makes ya wonder who pulling who

bcg wrote on May 18, 2007 6:43 PM:

There are three things that I can think that could make the Republican Congresscritters move against Gonzales and the administration.
The first would be a quid pro quo in which individual representative's past wrongs would be overlooked in exchange for support. This may have already happened with Sen. Specter: I've heard little of late about investigating how his aide inserted the amendments allowing recess appointments and revoking the USA residence requirement into the Patriot Act Renewal.
The second would be the danger that the electorate will turn them out of office. Apparently, this danger doesn't mean much to representatives from places like Utah.
Finally, there's the threat that the Democrats will turn around and play the same "unitary executive" games when they take over the White House. While I would never vote for a candidate whom I believed would do such a thing, the suasive force of this possibility should not be underestimated.

Johnsnottoodistracted wrote on May 18, 2007 8:30 PM:

Is there some reason why they have news briefs with is group?
Nothing is said of any value at all.Look what is left to talk about? The level in honesty of the response.That's what is gained from a news brief?
It is time to place a no value sticker on this product and cancel these non-events due to lack of content and abuse of the use of words.
Really, why bother?
They put out 180 degrees from anything near truth then add some paste, stick it to these recepticles foreheads and send them off to the nearest gutter to dump it.Then it flows into the sewer system and mixes with the rest.
The sad part is so many people chase it and end up thinking sewage is news.
Oh well.
Talk about the supreme distraction machine.The news is now all about what isn't being told.
Anyone ever think of asking for the truth?
Just say "come on, we want the truth, not some word maze".
Not just once but all day, everyday?
"Ah, the truth please on that one"?
Or put a "truth-o-meter" next to these "stories" and rate at "below any level of rational thinking".Perhaps people would begin to get the full picture that these guys have absolutely no desire to operate in the light.
Money makes people do very strange things.In fact Anything!Because with enough money you can spend all your time making rationale why you do these things.
And then hold a "news brief" to make sure it's clear.
Oh man!

BC Expat wrote on May 18, 2007 8:52 PM:

Folks, make no mistake about it, AGAG is not going anywhere if the decision is in the President's hands. At least with Wolfowitz they finally acknowledged that intransigence could lead to the US losing the World Bank seat to Europe - something they could not let happen.

There's absolutely no challenge in the President and the AG looking straight into the cameras and continue to lie to the world. The only way Gonzo goes is if the Congress pushes (read impeaches) him.

Roberta wrote on May 18, 2007 9:30 PM:

What happened at 10:00 this morning?

On Wednesday at 12:22 p.m., Paul Kiel reported in "Senate Committee to Gonzalez: AHEM":

"The senators set a new deadline, this Friday at May 18, 10 AM. If the Justice Department does not respond to the subpoena, the senators ask that they at least explain why they're not responding 'so that the Chairman and the Committee can assess any objections to the subpoena or privileges claimed by the Department.'"

Well, what happened? I don't see any stories about whether or not Mr. G turned over the subpoenaed documents or even some lame excuse. If he didn't come up with the documents, didn't Leahy and Specter do something about it?

I know a lot of the comments on that story, shall we say, took Sens. Leahy and Specter to task for their mere hand slap. But there were other comments--pretty well thought out and comprehensive, I thought--that counseled us all that Leahy and Specter had to give the second warning to make sure the groundwork is laid for future, real action against the AG, and possibly others in Mr. B's club. By only giving AGAG until 10 a.m., they'd have ample time to make their next move.

So I get home from work and . . . no reports about any kicking of Gonzalez's waiting ass?

Have I just missed it? Inquiring minds want to know!

Steve5117 wrote on May 18, 2007 9:47 PM:

Yawn, ho hum.....

Wolfy resigned as of June 30, but Gonzo still here.

doesitmatter wrote on May 18, 2007 10:17 PM:

Sorry, no time to read many of the other comments. Just wanted to throw this out there.

I listen to the CBS radio headlines at the top of the hour a couple of times a day. Lately, I have been shouting at the radio more frequently, so I might stop listening.

Today's AG story was a mere few seconds of how Bush's mouthpiece "ridiculed" the idea of congressional action against Gonzalez and "dismissed" the notion as a "stunt," etc. (actual terms in quotes.)

The piece closed with the phrase "...over the firings of US attorneys."

That's it.

No mention of WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED at all. Zero.

Listen, people, we have no chance at all if the corporate media frames the discussion.

I wanted to call CBS "Fox Lite" but then I remembered "The Road to 911" and realized that ABC already has that distinction.

Steve5117 wrote on May 18, 2007 10:21 PM:

doesitmatter

WaPo reports and others have expanded firing list to 30 names. Some stayed, why? Some left, why, and 8 were fired on 12-7.

Steve5117 wrote on May 18, 2007 10:34 PM:

doesitmatter

I saw an overlay map today that shows USA's on list(s) in states where GOP did not have a lock. Rove wanted attention drawn to (democratic) voter fraud in these blue areas, investigations, clean up voter lists (remove dems), file indictments etc., just before elections. Rove also wanted USA's to endorse state voter ID laws and not proscute other cases.... yada yada yada.

doesitmatter wrote on May 18, 2007 10:41 PM:

Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear. I know what happened, but the national Network CBS chose instead to talk about how the administration ridiculed Democratic attempts to hold Gonzalez accountable.

Unfortunately, they never mentioned what he was being held accountable FOR. At all.

And this is our problem. Print is good, but broadcast is gonna kill us.

jimbobuddy wrote on May 18, 2007 10:51 PM:

Is anyone else totally creeped out by Gonzo's automaton-like appearance in the photo that accompanies this article? What a wierd-O!

Steve5117 wrote on May 18, 2007 10:51 PM:

I think some MSM may be pausing to see where they are with DoJ problem. CNN has not been nice to AG today and, like Jon Stewart did last night, showed AG talking last month about McNulty not in loop for USA firings then AG's press conference after McNulty's resignation where Gonzo blames problem on Mc because he was overseer of USA.

Press begining to give WH flak because Bush and Snow refused to answer questions about Gonzo hospital visit....

Steve5117 wrote on May 18, 2007 11:00 PM:

I am wondering what house and senate will do with Alberto. Don't forget they are still reeling from Gonzo's raid of congressman's office with 15 FBI agents on a Sunday.

I'm begining to wonder what might have been in the office. I think it's still untouched, remember it being sealed away for 45 days. Is it 45 days yet?

Steve5117 wrote on May 18, 2007 11:05 PM:

I beleive 10 AM this morning was a deadline for something from DoJ to be in committee's hands.

Now, wouldn't it make for some discussions Sunday morning if Pelosi were to send Capitol Police to pick up Gonzo Sunday morning.

ct2001 wrote on May 18, 2007 11:55 PM:

Stormwatcher, JMM and Sheilds (PBS News Hour) are correct. Bush and crew HAVE to back Gonzales to the hilt. If an indepedent thinking AG is confirmed - he will uncover their crimes. Bush will NOT permit Gonzales to be forced out. We need to have our elected representatives keep hammering at this "crooked nail". Subpoena testimony from all involved on all his incompetence forever - get the emails - can't a whistle blower get us these Rove emails and help save our nation? Maybe Goodling will tell the truth. If we could actually force the departure of Gozales somehow - the type of AG that this congress would confirm might do the right thing and enforce the law on the crimes of this administration - n'est pas?

ct2001

Jano wrote on May 19, 2007 1:12 AM:

Our Attorney General is an empty suit and our president has no regard for the constitution. Meanwhile the ABC & CBS networks don't think trying to secure Ashcroft's signature from his hospital bed is a non-story. And sweet Jesus we've got 600 plus days to go.

lori wrote on May 19, 2007 7:02 AM:

The recess appointment to replace A.G. will be Monica Goodling, of course. After all, Bush needs to find someone to spite the Congress (and the rest of the nation). Goodling's looking for work, I hear.

Anonymous wrote on May 19, 2007 7:47 AM:

Patience. The news is covering one disgraced republican this week and that is Wolfowitz. The press is sadly becomming both corporate and localized to NYC and DC as a consequence of CATV, INTERNET, and other non-traditional news. And this is what I see as developing, the disconect between the internet feedback at WAPO and the assertions that they make in their editorials. Wasn't it just a week or so ago that the WAPO press suggested that Wolfowitz and Gonzales would all blow over? There was a documentary Selling the War by Bill Moyers. It discussed the news outside of the echo chamber of DC and NYC both of whom will pinch their noses for either access to these idiots in DC or the support of Wall Street in the later case. But here is the rub.. Mainstreet America is on a different course and we see that with Ron Paul and the reaction of the GOP there. We see the Military banning video to the troops so John Stewart's parody of Gonzales cannot be seen, not as if they cannot see it on leave and join that disconnect later! I was astonsihed to see George Tenet interviewed by reporters in the Valerie Plame case whom seemed to ackwoledge the irony that they also along with Novak and Judy Miller were complicit, and ironies of ironies, these reporters were in which two cities? So the reluctance of the MSM to cover the issue is like Rudi Guilliani not wanting to discuss the 911 report! The MSM, Rudi, GOP, and saddly the rationale of the military is still running on Pat Tillghman, Jessica Lynch reruns on the Military Channel a.k.a. as the History channel while Rudi is looped in the video of running away from his command bunker with the prescience of being able to know that the first concrete and steel structure in history was about to collapse. It is not only the AG that has no integrity, no credibility, but the entire cast of characters involved in the genesis of this mass movement to an ill conceived war.

lysias wrote on May 19, 2007 8:42 AM:

If 67 senators vote for a no-confidence resolution, that's more than a political stunt, it's an invitation to the House to start impeachment proceedings.

James D. Colville wrote on May 19, 2007 8:46 AM:

It is amazing that throughout all of this controversy, little has been said about the situation in Arkansas. The U.S. attorney there, Bud Cummins, was fired to put in place Tim Griffin, a person whose claim to fame was that he was an opposition researcher for the Republican National Committee and for Karl Rove, and was pushed for the Arkansas US attorney position by Karl Rove. Isn't anyone making the connection between Hillary Clinton's being the leading Democratic candidate for the presidency in 2008 and the potential use of the US attorney's office in Arkansas to dig up dirt on Ms. Clinton, and/or initiate an "investigation" that will attempt to tarnish her prior to the 2008 election? Griffin was put into the position through the use of the Patriot Act provision not requiring Senate approval, and is still there ready to do his duty for the Republican party - his duty to justice be damned.

James D. Colville wrote on May 19, 2007 8:48 AM:

It is amazing that throughout all of this controversy, little has been said about the situation in Arkansas. The U.S. attorney there, Bud Cummins, was fired to put in place Tim Griffin, a person whose claim to fame was that he was an opposition researcher for the Republican National Committee and for Karl Rove, and was pushed for the Arkansas US attorney position by Karl Rove. Isn't anyone making the connection between Hillary Clinton's being the leading Democratic candidate for the presidency in 2008 and the potential use of the US attorney's office in Arkansas to dig up dirt on Ms. Clinton, and/or initiate an "investigation" that will attempt to tarnish her prior to the 2008 election? Griffin was put into the position through the use of the Patriot Act provision not requiring Senate approval, and is still there ready to do his duty for the Republican party - his duty to justice be damned.

Anonymous wrote on May 19, 2007 10:16 AM:

"Pelosi said only that impeachment of the Decider Guy is off the table."

Good point but the tense is wrong. A lot has changed since she said that it WAS off the table.

Marty Didier wrote on May 19, 2007 12:48 PM:

Maybe Gonzales has other worries and some may be far more serious than his current dilemma? I specifically know about huge $100Million/weekly drug shipments coming into the US across the Texas border headed for Chicago. In Chicago, this shipment is split and shared with New York and Florida. What's most surprising is these shipments are protected by "corruption" to insure safe passage from when they're receied in Mexico all the way to their final destinations. This particular shipment isn't the only one as there are many others headed to other Cities throughout the US. What may surprise you is that all of these shipments just drive through the border without ever being stopped. I know this because I was in a family for more than 26 years who laundered money for some of the people involved. They laundered the money straight into property using Mortgage fraud with big Banks.

What may surprise you more is that I was told this in the early 90's and again in 1996 when Bush was Governor of Texas and Gonzales was his AG.

Marty Didier
Northbrook, IL

Marty Didier wrote on May 19, 2007 12:49 PM:

Maybe Gonzales has other worries and some may be far more serious than his current dilemma? I specifically know about huge $100Million/weekly drug shipments coming into the US across the Texas border headed for Chicago. In Chicago, this shipment is split and shared with New York and Florida. What's most surprising is these shipments are protected by "corruption" to insure safe passage from when they're receied in Mexico all the way to their final destinations. This particular shipment isn't the only one as there are many others headed to other Cities throughout the US. What may surprise you is that all of these shipments just drive through the border without ever being stopped. I know this because I was in a family for more than 26 years who laundered money for some of the people involved. They laundered the money straight into property using Mortgage fraud with big Banks.

What may surprise you more is that I was told this in the early 90's and again in 1996 when Bush was Governor of Texas and Gonzales was his AG.

Marty Didier
Northbrook, IL

candymarl wrote on May 19, 2007 2:25 PM:

To paraphrase Johnny Cochran: If it does not ebb and flow; does it suck and blow?

Buck Batard wrote on May 19, 2007 3:06 PM:

Our Attorney General and certain White House operatives are the best advocates out their for the "stop snitching" movement. Let's let these folks continue on in their positions to insure that the "Stop Snitching" movement can always be attributed to trickle down policies.

Trickle down economics was just a start. The Republican party and its finest minds have done a good job of ensuring that trickle down policies to seep into all levels of government.

Trickle down law enforcement policies are the best way to insure that street thugs can look up to US Justice department officials when they see them in the courtroom.

al_bigg wrote on May 19, 2007 5:45 PM:

I don't see Gonzales leaving voluntarily. Nor will Bush EVER force him to quit! What would bring him down would be something which fires up the mostly apathetic public. The folks at TPMMUCK could devote themselves to this task: Find at least one innocent person executed in Texas during Bush's term as Governor. The unwashed masses, who love to watch TV programs such as dateline, inside edition and the today show, would be glued to the sets as a human interest story unfolds of the death of an innocent person by the State. As publicity mounts, the details of Gonzales' perfunctory reviews and Bush's rubber stamping of the death of an innocent would come out. This would be but an opening wedge into showing what many all ready know: the callus and uncaring attitudes of the two of them. A rising indignation would follow: as well as the collapse of support for both Bush and Gonzales. The public is uninterested in Iraqi bloodshed, the integrity of the Justice Department and assaults on the U. S. Constitution. But they're suckers for stories of government outrages against individuals: aggressive IRS revenue collection, neglect of individual veterans, schoolteachers disciplining their kids, and yes: miscarriages of justice.

Steve T. wrote on May 19, 2007 8:49 PM:

You know, it's not just that we fought a war against the British in the late eighteenth century to rid ourselves of this sort of monarchical despotism, one-man rule on the principal of "Whatever I say, goes." It's that the British THEMSELVES fought a war, a civil war, in the mid seventeenth century to rid themselves of the same damn thing.

That's how Charles I lost his head.

Jim T wrote on May 19, 2007 11:54 PM:

Just wanted to answer a couple of questions asked by some of the early posters. The Attorney General is a member of the cabinet as he is a head of one of the 15 executive departments (DOJ) There was also a question about whether the POTUS can make appointments during a recess of the Senate.

From Article II, Section 2 of the US Constitution,
"The President shall have power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate, by granting commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session."
The idea is that if congress is out of session for a few months and a high level official leaves their post you need a way to keep the government running.

Just like to fill in the easy questions.

ewastud wrote on May 20, 2007 3:16 AM:

Even if Gonzo should resign in the immediate future, before or during the Memorial Day recess, who in their right mind will be willing to step into his place and face an extremely hostile Congress and have to answer difficult questions about the DoJ's past activities, yet be loyal and protective of Bush? I don't think any other candidate is available right now, although Orrin Hatch has hinted he might want the job.

Harriet Miers resigned from her past office apparently because of fears of what was soon awaiting her when the excrement hit the fan. She is wanted to appear to testify already, along with Rove. There will be no ducking that if she would somehow replace Gonzo.

Michele wrote on May 20, 2007 11:25 AM:

Hatch has been angling for the AG position for some time. I predict a recess appointment over the Memorial Day holiday. Wonder how the folks at the DOJ will feel about that)? Uff da (Scandinavian for "oy vey").

Does anyone know if there is an effort underway to fix the recess appointment process so it can't be so egregiously abused? Given Bush's demonstrated lack of judgement in hiring decisions, it seems that at least crucial roles like the AG should be exempt from recess-appointability.

Jim T wrote on May 20, 2007 11:41 AM:

I don't think there's a problem with the recess appointment power of POTUS. It's rarely been used and it is expressly created by the US Constitution. I think the real problem is a POTUS who can't be trusted to make a good choice for a replacement for his last bad choice.

god bless America and no place else

Steve5117 wrote on May 20, 2007 12:58 PM:

Jim T... boy are you behind in your current events. Catch up on the Pstriot Act provision slipped in that Bush used.

The problem is that George W Bush has lied to the American people. He can't be trusted!!!

And what is wrong for your "god" blessing all people.

You are uninformed and misguided.

Jim T wrote on May 20, 2007 4:00 PM:

Steve5117,
To my knowledge the provision of the patriot act that you're talking about allows POTUS to appoint USAs on an interim basis permanently without that whole "by and with the advice and consent of the Senate" idea the Constitution talks about. Wrong as this maneuver is, that makes no change to the procedure for appointing cabinet members during a recess of the Senate. As I said, the recess appointment process works as long as we have a POTUS who makes good appointments. GWB has clearly fallen short in that area, among others.

As for the comment I made about god, that was intended to be ironic. The idea of a god that would "bless" some people and not others is largely inconsistent with most concepts of the god of the bible and also seems deeply un-American from where I stand.
Guess I'm not so "misguided" as misunderstood.

The Oracle wrote on May 20, 2007 7:14 PM:

Tony Fratto sure is doing a great Baghdad Bob impression.

Steve5117 wrote on May 20, 2007 9:12 PM:

JimT

I apologize for ranting. I've been reading so much lately about this administration that at times I just explode. Unfortunately I've been on a self-imposed exile from society and have spent up to 16 hours a day reading about the damage that POTUS has caused by his actions.

Good news with TPM's last post about Harry Reid's plan for the summer, no recess, no recess appointments!

Anonymous wrote on May 20, 2007 10:16 PM:

"power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate" -- vacancies that happen DURING recess may be filled.

This does not mean that the President can fill vacancies that have been around for a while: Gonzalez' vacant brain lobe. LOL

Jim T wrote on May 20, 2007 10:34 PM:

Steve5117,

No need for apology. We're all friends here. I'm thinking you might want to scale back on the blog reading to maybe like 10 or 12 hours a day. Just do like my college buddy used to say. "Turn to the bottle."

So long as the '08 election isn't "rescheduled" for national security reasons, the time of our confinement is short. Wonder what the next yahoo will screw up.

Steve5117 wrote on May 20, 2007 10:56 PM:

Jim T,

Ah the bottle. I learned my lesson when I got caught doing 85 mph on I-95, now if only I could find a cold Pilsner Urquell.

I rather enjoy the blog diversion and feel that TPM neighborhood has reawaken my desire to share my opinion with people I meet. Interestingly enough, when I do venture out of my cave I meet people from out of town and from other countries everyday.

Tomorrow I shall endeavor to ask Americans I meet where they are from then inquire about the USA's from their home and I will ask foreigners their opinion of our country.

hermanotomas wrote on May 21, 2007 3:50 AM:

What does it mean that Gonzales, "has the full confidence of the President", when the majority of Americans do not have confidence in the President?

Steve5117 wrote on May 21, 2007 6:31 AM:

hermanotomas,

It means that Gonzo is doing a "heck of a job".

Anonymous wrote on May 21, 2007 11:03 AM:

"The Attorney General has the full confidence of the President...."
which is worth about 1/3 cup of warm spit!

william donovan wrote on May 21, 2007 11:29 AM:

The Attorney General works for the president and not the House of Rep or the Senate. It was the Attorney General and the Presidnet right to fire his employees. Therefore tell the House or Rep and the Senate to shut-up, its none of their business.

william donovan wrote on May 21, 2007 11:29 AM:

The Attorney General works for the president and not the House of Rep or the Senate. It was the Attorney General and the Presidnet right to fire his employees. Therefore tell the House or Rep and the Senate to shut-up, its none of their business.

william donovan wrote on May 21, 2007 11:30 AM:

The Attorney General works for the president and not the House of Rep or the Senate. It was the Attorney General and the Presidnet right to fire his employees. Therefore tell the House or Rep and the Senate to shut-up, its none of their business.

william donovan wrote on May 21, 2007 11:30 AM:

The Attorney General works for the president and not the House of Rep or the Senate. It was the Attorney General and the Presidnet right to fire his employees. Therefore tell the House or Rep and the Senate to shut-up, its none of their business.

william donovan wrote on May 21, 2007 11:31 AM:

The Attorney General works for the president and not the House of Rep or the Senate. It was the Attorney General and the Presidnet right to fire his employees. Therefore tell the House or Rep and the Senate its none of their business.

william donovan wrote on May 21, 2007 11:31 AM:

The Attorney General works for the president and not the House of Rep or the Senate. It was the Attorney General and the Presidnet right to fire his employees. Therefore tell the House or Rep and the Senate its none of their business.

dave wrote on May 21, 2007 11:56 AM:

"Cornyn will be AG. Texas Gov. Perry then gets to appoint a replacement. Say hello to Senator DeLay."

I love this! It would be totally absurd, of course, but with this administration anything is possible.

Jim T wrote on May 21, 2007 12:23 PM:

William Donovan,
While it's true that the Attorney General serves at the pleasure of the President, the AG is accountable to the Congress because he is charged with conducting the business of the American people. If he, or any other "public officer" for that matter, does something that is a violation of the law it is a constitutional responsibility of the congress to remove him from his position. Furthermore, while the USAs are appointed, it is the fact that these are the people who are charged with investigating cases of wrongdoing by elected leaders that makes their hiring and firings something that must go above the political spoils system that is tolerated for the likes of the county bottle washer. If the people who investigate possible crimes committed by politicians are selected and act as politicians themselves, all is lost. Your argument would be fitting if we were talking about firing someone who takes phone messages for the AG, not for federal prosecutors.

Jane wrote on May 21, 2007 5:51 PM:

The Ag works for the people: that is why the Congress has the power to impeach him.

The MSM including PBS has this wrong -- it is not only about the fact that the DOJ has been politicized beyond belief into an instrument to suppress non-Rethug votes but also that the DOJ itself may have been engaging in obstruction of justice if they promoted ungrounded indictments of Democrats and attempted to stall indictments of Republicans. When asked why they fired the AG'a they can't recall even who did make the decision and the reasons they offer turn out to be phony and back-dated. So of course the Congress has been going on a piescine expedition -- something smells like three day old fish.

I do wonder why given Al's severe memory deficit the President has such confidence in him.

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