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Goodling: "I Can't Give You The Whole White House Story"
Well, at least it's clear. When Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-TX) asked whether the committee needs to go to the White House to get answers about the White House role in the firings, Goodling conceded, "I can't give you the whole White House story."
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Comments (59)
Anonymous wrote on May 23, 2007 1:33 PM:Security code "bell" as in "ding, ding, ding": Ms. Jackson is the only able body so far, Kudos to her and her fine line of inquiry.
Buck wrote on May 23, 2007 1:38 PM:That wasn't a slam dunk. They need to grill her on this one some more. She was hedging and knows more.
John H. Farr wrote on May 23, 2007 1:43 PM:You folks who follow these issues minutely may see "bombshells" and contradictions in the testimony of people like Goodling, but this lay person's overall impression of this hearing is that:
a) Conyers needs to retire, and
b) democracy in the U.S.A. is a hollow fraud.
My reason for b) is that when one side refuses to play by the rules (i.e., the Constitution), IT DOESN'T WORK, especially if the other side thinks it's still operative. There isn't remotely enough outrage or sense of the clear and present danger we're in.
My reason for a) is that the Republic is dying in front of our eyes, and the same old clubbiness will not do. None of our so-called leaders on the Democratic side seem willing to confront the reality of the Bush administration. All that's being accomplished here is to put a "see, we did something about it" veneer on the corpse of liberty, and I can't stand it.
phil james wrote on May 23, 2007 1:43 PM:She just described the WH political office sign-off on the plan. Seems to me that is enough to call turdblossom on the carpet, which is exactly the point Ms. Jackson stressed in cutting off MG.
psyberdawg wrote on May 23, 2007 1:45 PM:I've be watching CSPAN3 all day, but I think I'm gonna have to switch to waiting for these editted clips ...
... BECAUSE I'M GOING TO FRICKING LOSE IT IF I HAVE TO LISTEN TO ANYMORE REPUBLICAN LYING BULLSHIT!
bordersmuggler wrote on May 23, 2007 1:47 PM:They do not seem to be considering it, but the Republican Congressman are going on record as blind supporters of the Bush crime family.
It will be interesting to see how many will not be in Washington in January '09.
Anonymous wrote on May 23, 2007 1:53 PM:Laughing, "well Monica can you stay out in the hall for awhile?" This way Congress might not know that you were involved? Then at the recess in testimony: "Heh Monica can you get a cab back to 13th St. so we can blame this debacle on you?" and then finally: "Yes I used political axes in my decision making when of course two A-type women personalities were not in a (p) urinating battle." And of course the "well of course he did not tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth" as Regent doesn't require it when Gawd is on your side. Plain and simple she acknowledges what everyone knows. As to the statement that this doesn't have legs, well if it doesn't then there is no integrity whatsoever in Congress, DOJ, and the rule of law.
security code: "5th ammendment" as to why that was evoked initially.
boat wrote on May 23, 2007 1:55 PM:Does this grant of immunity extend to the Senate? What I mean is, can Ms. Goodling be compelled to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee?
These house hearings are like watching a single A ball game. They are horrible!! The senate is much better at this!
kjp wrote on May 23, 2007 1:56 PM:Trent Lott's comparison of the House to an "anthill" is looking dead-on. The House will not investigate its own. Until "Doc" Hastings, Pete Domenici, Heather Wilson and Rick Renzi (all of whom either made improper calls to US Attorneys or had their staff do so) answer questions about what they did in the wake of those calls, this investigation is going to end with a grade of "incomplete."
TheraP wrote on May 23, 2007 2:06 PM:Mr Farr, I'm with you
Seems to me this is a wake we're holding. Either we've all gone mad or the republic as we knew it is gone.
Anonymous wrote on May 23, 2007 2:11 PM:Goodling worked directly with Rove staffer J Scott Jennings.
Goodling worked directly with Rove staffer Jane Cherry.
Look for a bombshell on Cherry shortly.
Anonymous wrote on May 23, 2007 2:16 PM:why hasn't anyone blogged about the term she used in her opening statement...caging?
SamSara wrote on May 23, 2007 2:20 PM:Cherry Bomb
ferher wrote on May 23, 2007 2:21 PM:Who's this religious persecution clown?
One of Rev. Pat's Lap Dogs?
nadja S wrote on May 23, 2007 2:24 PM:There is such a "hive" mentality going on with these second-tier apparatchiks. No one will admit to anything. Who compiles the lists? Who makes the decisions? There are admissions of fault at certain points, and then denials later on. Their loyalty to the Constitution and any adherence to ethical behavior has been completely subsumed by some rabid zeal to keep Republicans in power, via the judiciary, for ever and ever.
bordersmuggler wrote on May 23, 2007 2:39 PM:Hank Johnson rocks...
Richard L. Adlof wrote on May 23, 2007 2:39 PM:Not interested in what you can't tell us. Interested in what you can.
What about AG the AG's letter granting you the power to do this behind McNulty's back? Why are you blaming him?y
As liason between justice & the WH, what did the WH know? What was their input . . . And if you don't know shit about it . . . What the fuck did you do to earn your salary . . . MONICA?
mayan wrote on May 23, 2007 2:46 PM:HEADS UP: Are folks aware that there was a document dump dated yesterday? It's at the HJC and I think it's different material than what was given on the May 21...there appears to be at least two sets of docs...I'm not sure but this could be what Monica proferred:
http://judiciary.house.gov/Media/PDFS/OAG1646-1705.pdf
r€nato wrote on May 23, 2007 2:53 PM:Let's Gitmo-ize these DoJ flunkies, use on them the same tactics which Abu Gonzales decided were legal.
That will get the truth out of them, since nothing else will.
range wrote on May 23, 2007 2:56 PM:RE: Monica Dump:
It has redactions on email addresses and within the text of emails?!?
Delia wrote on May 23, 2007 2:56 PM:Thom Hartmann was talking about caging on his show this morning. Said that Monica inadvertantly opened the doors when she introduced the term in a quite matter of fact way, without any awareness that it was a crme.
Ken wrote on May 23, 2007 2:58 PM:Isn't Goodling contradicting herself when she professes dismay at McNultey not giving up the White House role in all this, even as she admits to staying out of sight lest her role as W/H liason raise questions with Congress? She was part and parcel of the coverup by following orders to stay out of sight... but now it's all McNulty's fault?
JNagarya wrote on May 23, 2007 2:58 PM:"My reason for a) is that the Republic is dying in front of our eyes, and the same old clubbiness will not do. None of our so-called leaders on the Democratic side seem willing to confront the reality of the Bush administration. All that's being accomplished here is to put a "see, we did something about it" veneer on the corpse of liberty, and I can't stand it.
"Posted by: John H. Farr
Date: May 23, 2007 01:43 PM"
The Committee (excepting Republicans) is concerned with issues of law. You are making political deamdns. The two are not the same.
Delia wrote on May 23, 2007 2:58 PM:Thom Hartmann was talking about caging on his show this morning. Said that Monica inadvertantly opened the doors when she introduced the term in a quite matter of fact way, without any awareness that it was a crme.
SPENCER ADAMS wrote on May 23, 2007 3:01 PM:Perhaps Congress needs to talk to White House political director Sara Taylor, her deputy Scott Jennings and Chris Oprison, the associate White House counsel.
See the Time link for the private testimony released yesterday by the committee:
http://time-blog.com/swampland/2007/05/monica_goodling_testimony.html
Dem-agog wrote on May 23, 2007 3:03 PM:Obviously, the Republicans on the comittee see no problem with America moving from a democracy to a christian theocracy (one member even threatened other members!). I am so disgusted by this hearing and its implications that I'm ready to throw my hands up in resignation and say - we'll get what we deserve.
Goodling is a first class liar.
JNagarya wrote on May 23, 2007 3:05 PM:"Does this grant of immunity extend to the Senate? What I mean is, can Ms. Goodling be compelled to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee?"
No, it doesn't. It's a deal only between Goodling and the House Committee. (And not, also, with any other House Committee.)
"These house hearings are like watching a single A ball game. They are horrible!! The senate is much better at this!"
The Senate is better at it in part because Seante committees have fewer members.
"Posted by: boat
SkippyFlipjack wrote on May 23, 2007 3:05 PM:Date: May 23, 2007 01:55 PM"
Why are people so obsessed with the security codes? It's like some remote tribe ascribing some significance to the particular colors of the airplanes that pass overhead. "Look! An Orange-and-Blue! That means we'll have rain tomorrow!"
security code: "hobgoblin of little minds"
Nina Katarina wrote on May 23, 2007 3:08 PM:Anybody else noticing that Monica tends to get snippy and crabby when she's being questioned by a woman, especially a minority? She's 'sweet and flirty' with the Rs, and doesn't talk back to the male Ds, but Sanchez, Jackson-Lee and Waters really seemed to get under her skin.
gcs wrote on May 23, 2007 3:08 PM:Can't? Or won't. Give me a break with this nonsense. Toss her perky ass in jail for obstruction of justice and she'll squeal alright.
gcs wrote on May 23, 2007 3:11 PM:Can't? Or won't. Give me a break with this nonsense. Toss her perky ass in jail for obstruction of justice and she'll squeal alright.
gcs wrote on May 23, 2007 3:11 PM:Can't? Or won't. Give me a break with this nonsense. Toss her perky ass in jail for obstruction of justice and she'll squeal alright.
gcs wrote on May 23, 2007 3:11 PM:Can't? Or won't. Give me a break with this nonsense. Toss her perky ass in jail for obstruction of justice and she'll squeal alright.
gcs wrote on May 23, 2007 3:11 PM:Can't? Or won't. Give me a break with this nonsense. Toss her perky ass in jail for obstruction of justice and she'll squeal alright.
Daddy Love wrote on May 23, 2007 3:13 PM:Caging:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caging_list
Security code=rice, as in, when does Condi get her ups in committee?
tbhull wrote on May 23, 2007 3:13 PM:Although this issue (not so much as the NSA warrantless wiretap issue) could have consequences, but it will go no where because the feckless democratic leadership are doing what they doe best, namely, grandstanding while pissing into the wind, all while the repubs lay back in grand sycophantic style and watch them fail. From Conyers to Reid to Leahy to Biden to Feinstein to Waxman to Kennedy, there is a reason the repubs enjoyed power in Congress for the 12 years prior to the 2006 elections. The
macdust wrote on May 23, 2007 3:14 PM:Re: Monica dump
Most interesting, the "from" e-mail addresses are redacted from Oprison, Goodling, Griffin addresses.
Were they using a private server?
Beth wrote on May 23, 2007 3:15 PM:I don't think I'm alone here when I criticize Monica's voice. Anyone who thinks that a cutesie poo voice is attractive is an idiot. It's like nails on a blackboard. And if I had a cutesie poo voice like hers I'd hire a speech coach. It's impossible to take her seriously. She'd have a lot more respect as a lawyer if she could have gotten through AU's law school. It may not be Georgetown, but it's better than UMBC.
donkey wrote on May 23, 2007 3:17 PM:of course
political genius rove
will not answer to any
congressional subpoena
he will start the constitutional
tussle in the courts
and lose
heh...
Mary wrote on May 23, 2007 3:20 PM:The questions not getting asked:
1. Did the President of the United States fire the USAs?
2. If not, who did?
3. Under what authority?
4. Review the AG order on Sampson and Goodling - Are you aware of any similar order or procedure involving delegations by the President of his right to hire or fire?
5. If you fired a USA without being delegated the authority to take that step from the President, would that be legal?
6. How did you, Sampson, McNulty, Gonzales - anyone - confirm that the President had delegated his ability to fire so that USAs now served at the pleasure of Kyle?
7. What did you think when you heard the President said he knew nothing about the firings? When TOny Snow said the firings could not be laid at the President's door?
8. Between Duke Cunningham and Wilkes and Foggo -Carol Lam was involved in some of the highest profile, most important public corruption cases of the century. What conversations took place at DO about that litigation? What conversations took place about providing resources to assist USA Lam? What enouragement or support was she given by the Department? Etc.
Anonymous wrote on May 23, 2007 3:24 PM:we
have
our blond
Huston
security code nail
heh...
Vince wrote on May 23, 2007 3:28 PM:I have what might be stupid question, but is it normal to have a Whitehouse/DOJ liaison? Just having such a position seems to ensure that the DOJ will become influenced by politics. So, do all administrations have such a position or was this an invention of the Bush Administration?
goldberry wrote on May 23, 2007 3:29 PM:The White House designed this process well. They operate like Al Qaeda. Only a few people know what the strategy is. The instruments only know bits and pieces. They communicate through intermediaries. But the ones who are responsible are behind the executive privelege firewall. Unless Karl's emails show up, there is virtually no way to get the information. They will stonewall and evade and challenge Congress to arrest them.
Pinson wrote on May 23, 2007 3:37 PM:Just subpoena them already and let the Kabuki begin.
Finally! Artur Davis is hitting paydirt.
Lisa wrote on May 23, 2007 4:05 PM:Award-winning question of the day:
"And what is Almighty God's intention for lawyers in this country?"
Ick.
At least she didn't try to answer THAT one.
rlogan wrote on May 23, 2007 4:28 PM:All the great imperial powers of history have fallen.
Ours is on the brink.
The only thing the democrats are doing is tactical maneuvering for greater control of power.
That's why the AG scandal is front and center instead of government destroying eight centuries of Habeus Corpus, torture, war crimes, warrantless spying, etc.
ralph489 wrote on May 23, 2007 4:36 PM:Code word: TPM is gosu.
How do the Republicans get off claiming that the Dems aren't letting her finish her answers. She should be an assistant coach for the NFL. She is great at running out the clock
Big Mitch wrote on May 23, 2007 4:39 PM:1. "Caging" refers to a technique of minority voter suprression. Specifically, return receipt requested letters are sent to voters. If they are unclaimed, the names go on a voter challenge list. A large number of these are troops overseas, college students, etc. The practice is illegal.
2. Monica Goodling testified that Alberto Gonzales made inaccurate statements regarding his involvement in US Attorney firings.
3. Monica Goodling testified that DAG McNulty testified inacurately.
This has been a very low-key hearing, with a witness who comes across as sincere and truthful. It will be intersting to see how it gets spun, because on the bottom line, she provided the smoking gun against Generallisimo "Fredo" Gonzales.
Please visit the Schapira blog, "What we know so far ..." at http://schapira.blogspot.com
"...and tell 'em Big Mitch sent ya!"
Rick B wrote on May 23, 2007 7:11 PM:"Caging" refers to a technique of minority voter suprression. Specifically, return receipt requested letters are sent to voters. If they are unclaimed, the names go on a voter challenge list. A large number of these are troops overseas, college students, etc. The practice is illegal.
Where is it illegal? Federal law? State Law?
dcrocks wrote on May 23, 2007 8:49 PM:Did anyone ask Goodling whether she or anyone else at DOJ or WH sent attorneys to outside organizations such as the RNC for vetting?
Richard L. Adlof wrote on May 23, 2007 9:02 PM:Yo TRIXIE-BELLE!
You were the laison between the fucking White House abd the Department of Justice. Just what the fuck did you does for your salary?
Later in your testimony you repeatedly refer to being on AG the AG's staff . . . Given that you can't say crap about the job you were paid to do . . . What can you say about anything relavent?
Johnsnottoodistracted wrote on May 23, 2007 10:18 PM:Why go around the world to cross the street?Or in this case go to to mars first.Why take such a long path to what's burning at our feet?
bcg wrote on May 24, 2007 12:06 AM:No need to look any further.The fire has consumed everything in sight.
Why run away from what needs control fastest?
Yes the money has touched everyone.Now we have to watch the roles being played.
Evryone loses.
We must stop elections that only provide the wrong element a chance to grab money.And then more money as they learn the system.
These bit players who are fed with small doses of power are all distractions,like tin foil in radar.
There is no one left who sees mg as the real problem is there?
Someone needs to pour some water on the fire.Not the smoke.
Problem for that is they too will likely get wet.
If the Congressional hearings are simply going to be about who can leverage the most power, we can right off the democracy -- like in Iraq, it's over and we might as well get down to the civil war.
Whistler wrote on May 24, 2007 4:08 AM:The Democrats have to observe the niceties of the rule of law as long as that is what they want to see restored. If it's just about their assuming power when this is over, then it's open season.
Although my politics are most in tune with those of the liberal wing of the Democratic party, I do not wish to see them try to overthrow the republic to get their way. While what they do may not be immediately gratifying, I appreciate that they will play the game within the rules that have dominated in my lifetime. My objection to the Republicans is that they have tried to twist those rules to establish their permanent advantage. If I honestly object to the perversion of the political process in this country, I must object to it regardless of who does it. For this reason, I respect the Democrats for playing the game by the rules that have been established.
A lot of you folks making comments -- and I'm sorry to say this! -- just aren't very good at lateral thinking; or seeing what's going on in the subtext. You miss more than you see.
Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-TX) just single-handedly restored my faith in Texans, with the last few remarks in the video for this page. (Previous to this, I was 2/3rds tempted to "vote for" giving Texas to Mexico; thanks to Crawford's infamous contribution to the future gene pool.) I'm not even religeous, but I want to say "God Bless her!" and jump up and yell "Hallelujah!," to what Jackson-Lee had to say in regards to Karl Rove needing to be sitting in that very same seat Monica occupied -- if not the electric chair; but hey, one step at a time!
That and the mind-blowing bits that others dug out, in regards to witness tampering by the Top Cop himself ... ouch! I foresee Gonzo spending most of his senior years, rotting behind bars.
The whole point of today's exercise was this: one by one, eliminating the possibility that puppets on strings did anything at all, other than what the hidden puppet-masters wanted them to do.
These hearings have shown -- and this one more clearly than some if not most -- that puppets on strings do precisely what their masters bid them to do, without questioning ... anything at all.
Every convincing "wasn't me" witness is one step closer to the end of the current "Rule of Whim".
I'm still going to hold onto my "wait and see" theme, for now; but it does feel like progress was made, today. (Enforcement? Fingers crossed.)
In her opening statements, Monica disclaims the idea that she has the "keys to the kingdom," as David Iglesias put it. But she does; she does. She may not realize it: but her rather apparent inability to think laterally means she can only do what she's programmed to do ... and that leads directly to the programmers.
Whistler wrote on May 24, 2007 4:45 AM:I just gotta throw this in, since I'm in such a celebratory mood, over parts of Goodling's testimony, today. She hasn't convinced me that she's a nice person, or the least bit harmless: -- she's clearly far too much of an unquestioning follower, doing the bidding of some very deviant, sick, twisted little trolls to be harmless -- but it does serve as a humorous reminder of the great incapacity her masters have to keep anyone near them, that have any lateral thinking ability. If you can think for yourself, and are willing to question authority ... you no workee here; sorry! (I'd love to hear more from folks she interviewed for jobs, to get a better idea of "who she is".)
Brainless, unquestioning syncophants works great for the puppet masters, in the short term. Look at all the troublemakers, jumping overboard! And look: now I'm the smartest guy in the room! Whee!
But damn, is it ever biting them in the ass, now!
These puppets just don't realize just how bad the things they've been tasked with doing ARE in the eyes of (sane, responsible) others. They just discuss whatever they did, on any normal day.
It was normal to all around them; so it's "good".
The voter caging incident, mentioned elsewhere: Jesus, was that a bad thing for Monica to have brought up ... if, indeed, she actually did that. (I can and cannot believe what I read elsewhere.)
Monica may as well have handed Dick Cheney a loaded shotgun (and extra ammo) and sent him into a room with Karl Rove and Tim Griffin ... while they were tied up; had paper bags over their heads; and were wearing "Vote Democratic" and "Impeach Cheney first!" buttons.
This all makes Watergate look so utterly quaint.
And brainy!
Wish I could quote it verbatim, but this reminds me of a great bit that Douglas Adams wrote into one of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy books: where Zaphod Breeblebox's father chastises his son for only aspiring to be what he was -- President of the Galaxy, or some such -- because they both knew the job was just intended as a distraction from who was really running the show.
Whistler wrote on May 24, 2007 7:07 AM:Then again, thinking long-long term:
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/22822
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