Comments (86)

ifthethunderdontgetya wrote on July 31, 2007 5:01 PM:

That failure to recall is not believable. I for one, conclude that Cheney sent them.

Vice President Rasputin.

Anna S. wrote on July 31, 2007 5:04 PM:

It's obvious how that's not an "I didn't do it". I'm guessing the absence of an outright denial means there's evidence to be found that would indicate he *did*.

It's funny how he insists that the DoJ had approved it so often, despite upper-level DoJ indications that the whole staff was willing to quit over the program. His claim here that "there was nothing new about it" (it clearly being the program) could be trouble for Gonzalez later up the road. He doesn't seem to deny here that the visit was about the TSP (despite the interviewer handing him a prime chance to do so). Odd.

Anonymous wrote on July 31, 2007 5:06 PM:

Wait...I thought the visit WASN'T about the TSP!!!

Punchy wrote on July 31, 2007 5:09 PM:

"Mr. Cheney, do you remember anything about anyone anywhere yesterday?"

Mr. Cheney: "I don't recall"

"Mr Cheney, how is it possible to have forgotten what just happened?"

Mr. Cheney: "I don't recall your question"

"Mr Cheney, your feigning..."

MC: "If I recall, you're going to Gitmo soon..."

ArtJ wrote on July 31, 2007 5:09 PM:

So Cheney is sending the WH counsel and chief of staff to see Ashcroft. Was Bush in his playpen?

Matt wrote on July 31, 2007 5:10 PM:

He doesn't recall if he sent them to the hospital. The operative word is "hospital."

Rich wrote on July 31, 2007 5:10 PM:

CHENEY CONFIRMS hospital visit pertains to TSP!

Molly Ivans wrote on July 31, 2007 5:11 PM:

Raise Hell!!

james wrote on July 31, 2007 5:12 PM:

"From Dick Cheney's interview tonight with Dick Cheney"

He's interviewing himself?

db wrote on July 31, 2007 5:14 PM:

What the heck, are they smoking bales of weed at the WH and DOJ or something? None of them can remember anything. Of course. it could also be that terrorists have infiltrated their brains and erased their memories.

Something tells me there's more to this than the Vice President is acknowledging. Just a hunch, though.

Thank God Arlene Specter is on the case!!!

lysias wrote on July 31, 2007 5:23 PM:

If it was really Bush who sent Gonzo and Card, wouldn't Cheney also refuse to admit that?

Xenos wrote on July 31, 2007 5:23 PM:

Proper headline:

"Cheney does not deny dispatching AGAG and Card to Ashcroft bedside."

If he had a basis to deny, don't ya think he would have remembered that by now?

Waiting for Truth wrote on July 31, 2007 5:25 PM:

I repeat: Members of this administration who've been called to testify have repeatedly said, "I do not recall" rather than "I CANNOT recall."
It is a statement of fact that they are not recalling; it says nothing of their ability to recall.
Someone needs to CALL them on their NOT RECALLING!

O'Gee wrote on July 31, 2007 5:26 PM:

As others point out, Cheney just confirmed Gonzo's a liar.

EH wrote on July 31, 2007 5:26 PM:

It would seem to be a good debate question to ask what the current candidates perspective on the recollection skills of their eventual cabinet members and appointees.

party-of-one wrote on July 31, 2007 5:27 PM:

Cheney denies he said things even when there is a video record. So, not recalling is more of an innovation for him, inspired perhaps by his admiration for the sterling peformances of his buddy Al Gonzales.

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cevrero wrote on July 31, 2007 5:40 PM:

I think Cheney just threw Gonzo to the perjury wolves by confirming(by not denying) there was not another program.

Why does Cheney feel compelled to give an interview now?

angry_diane wrote on July 31, 2007 5:44 PM:

Gee, and why would we expect Cheney to remember ? This whole thing is a crock of merde!

Shane wrote on July 31, 2007 5:44 PM:

Please tell me that "The dog ate my brain" defense is not going to fly. How can these people, at these levels of power and responsibility, expect us to accept such a bullshit excuse? Once the evidence comes out. "Oh, I did it, you say, and you have evidence? Well, all right then, I did it, I guess." When are the Democrats going to hold a vote on HR 333 and impeach Dick Cheney? When are the Democrats going to grow a spine and realize that the republic is at stake?

starwheel wrote on July 31, 2007 5:48 PM:

I have trouble remembering things after I've been drinking, too.

Shot a man in the fact wrote on July 31, 2007 5:51 PM:

Wow. Cheney just destroyed the "technical" and "legalistic" distinction that AG's defenders were relying on. That had to sting.

makesenseofit wrote on July 31, 2007 5:56 PM:

It's their attorneys against us (the American people). Can you imagine it has come to this ...
us against them. Them .. being our own government.
We the people does not include our government.
The walls of defense are getting thicker and thicker while coming closer to the end of the road.
Since Bush was not elected in either year of elections for president this administration along with corrupted ideals and objectives
become the sleaziest administration in history.
Just trying to make sense of it all

GOPHater wrote on July 31, 2007 5:58 PM:

I wonder if Cheney will "recall" when we execute hime for war crimes, murder, treason, and crimes against the U.S. Consitituion.

Anna S. wrote on July 31, 2007 6:01 PM:

It just occurred to me: we're all puzzling over why the VP felt compelled to give an interview, and why he seems to confirm that the program in question on that night was the TSP. Taken together, it seems to add up to 'Cheney wants Gonzalez under a bus, but doesn't want to be liable himself'.

The good news for the OVP is that when he shoots Gonzalez's 'legalism' argument in the face (twice! with the 'it's the same program', and again with the confirmation that it was the TSP under discussion that night), the AG investigations all focus in on perjury. Maybe he's throwing a bone here, hoping to draw attention away from (as the anonymous poster has pointed out recently) the wiretapping and war crimes.

pete wrote on July 31, 2007 6:12 PM:

You guys are so cynical. What meeting is Cheney being asked about? See, Cheney may or may not have sent Gonzo to see Ashcroft about the TSP. But, as Gonzo has explained, his meeting wasn't about the TSP.

So, obviously, the meeting Gonzo had wasn't the same one that Cheney may, or may not have, sent him on. With that one, he uh...., may, or may not have, got stuck in traffic or something.

See how simple?

regular lurker wrote on July 31, 2007 6:15 PM:

Cheney loves Cheney, and I don't mean Lynne. He's thrown his own children under the bus so what's some AG named Gonzales matter to him?

Austin Cooper wrote on July 31, 2007 6:17 PM:

KING: So, you just don't remember -- anything?

CHENEY: Well, Larry, I may need something to jog my memory a bit. Would you mind if I took a few drinks, here, and then shot you in the face? It would be a tremendous help.

KING: You came into the studio, armed?

CHENEY: No, not at all. I'll get a weapon from one of my Secret Service detail. I do have my own liquor, though.

.

grad69 wrote on July 31, 2007 6:19 PM:

How could anyone be expected to recall the details of such a recurring event as sending the White House Chief of Staff and the White House Legal Counsel to the hospital room of the U.S. Attorney General for his authorization of a vital national security intelligence operation? Happens every day. The fact that the incident has been the focus of Senate and House hearings and threats of impeachment and perjury investigations don't bolster the idea that maybe the Vice President of the United States is a congenital, pathological liar either.

It won't hurt his approval ratings though - it's mathematically impossible to go lower.

drational wrote on July 31, 2007 6:22 PM:

The problem with Cheney's use of TSP here is that it is more parsing. "I was a big advocate, and it had already been approved 12 times." This says nothing about the contentious program X.

However from Comey's oral and written testimony, there was a singular NSA program and it was obviously not called TSP.

Oral:
SPECTER: So the president backed you up. And it was necessary to make changes in the terrorist surveillance program to get the requisite certification by the acting attorney general -- that is you?

COMEY: And I may be being overly cautious, but I'm not comfortable confirming what program it was that this related to.

Written=
Schumer: You testified that during the visit to Attorney General Ashcroft’s hospital room on the evening of March 10, 2004, Mrs. Ashcroft was present when you first arrived and also later when Messrs. Gonzales and Card arrived.
 Did you reveal classified information in Mrs. Ashcroft’s presence?
No.
 Did either Mr. Gonzales or Mr. Card reveal classified information in Mrs. Ashcroft’s presence?
Mr. Card did not. I do not recall whether Mr. Gonzales mentioned any aspects of the matter that would be considered classified, including the name of the program – which was itself classified, as I recall – when addressing Mr. Ashcroft.

One program, with a classified name.
That name was not TSP, judging by Comey and Mueller (He also refused to acknowledge words TSP) testimony.

This whole TSP bullshite is a fake construct to allow this admin to continue lying.

Mad Dog Rackham wrote on July 31, 2007 6:26 PM:

Notice how when King starts the question and you get to the point where you can anticipate what he's going to ask, Cheney starts blinking furiously. Is that a tell, or what?

Bluntly wrote on July 31, 2007 6:33 PM:

Yup, something of a smoking gun. AG claims that his hospital visit to Ashcroft did not pertain to the Terrorist Surveillance Program. Cheney contradicts him.

moondancer wrote on July 31, 2007 6:44 PM:

Yes Mad Dog it is. His lying is so woeful, that I'm looking for the setup. That and taking the bait on Hillary... either he's going soft or
they're really feeling cornered.

raoul wrote on July 31, 2007 6:45 PM:

I happen to recall that cheney is a lying mf scumbag. Thank you.

hodad wrote on July 31, 2007 6:46 PM:

I don't think there's a reason to conlude Dick sent him.
Somebody--probably from the Bush admin--leaked a story to the times of New York saying that Cheney sent Abu to see the sick guy. Then Cheney can neither confirm nor deny this.

This is obfuscation. It's a smokescreen. A misdirection. Pure and utter BS.

inedal wrote on July 31, 2007 6:48 PM:

TPM mentions that king implies that cheney is lying. where is that scene on the tape? i could not find it.
sure, we know that cheney is lying, but for a softie like king to say it on TV would be a new ballgame.

when king asked cheney about his famous "last throes of resistance, the VP more or less admitted that he had been wrong.
why didn't king say- well, you were so wrong about that, so why should we believe anything you say!

inedal wrote on July 31, 2007 6:49 PM:

TPM mentions that king implies that cheney is lying. where is that scene on the tape? i could not find it.
sure, we know that cheney is lying, but for a softie like king to say it on TV would be a new ballgame.

when king asked cheney about his famous "last throes of resistance, the VP more or less admitted that he had been wrong.
why didn't king say- well, you were so wrong about that, so why should we believe anything you say!

Alguien wrote on July 31, 2007 6:49 PM:

It's the newes White House lingo:
I don't recall = I am guilty as sin but won't admit it.
That was a YES.

Simon Evnine wrote on July 31, 2007 6:50 PM:

Isn't anyone bothered by Larry King's remark to Wolf Blitzer at the end, when he say something like "That's the beauty of our job... All we do is push the plate out there." Their job is to dig and probe. But evidently they see themselves as glorified butlers!

On the Clock wrote on July 31, 2007 6:51 PM:

Thanks to NBC's Kelly O'Donnell, we have the president's (much more verbose) evasion on this topic on file. In short, while Cheney says "I don't recall", Bush says, "I'm not going to talk about it. I think the stink comes from Bush.

Think Progress has the link:

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/17/bush-comey-dodge/#comment-3808960

"Q: There’s been some very dramatic testimony before the Senate this week from one of your former top Justice Department officials who describes a scene that some Senators called stunning, about a time when the warrantless wiretap program was being reviewed. Sir, did you send your then chief of staff and White House counsel to the bedside of John Ashcroft while he was ill to get him to approve that program, and do you believe that kind of conduct from White House officials is appropriate?

"BUSH: Kelly, there’s a lot of speculation about what happened and what didn’t happen. I’m not going to talk about it. It’s a very sensitive program. I will tell you that one, the program was necessary to protect the American people and it’s still necessary, because there’s still an enemy that wants to do us harm, and therefore I have an obligation to put in place programs that honor the civil liberties of the American people — a program that was, in this case, constantly reviewed, and briefed to the United States Congress. And the program, as I say, is an essential part of protecting this country, and so there will be all kinds of talk about it. As i say, I’m not going to move the issue forward by talking about something as highly classified subject. I will tell you, however, that the program was necessary.

Q: Was it on your order, sir?

BUSH: As I said, the program is a necessary program that was constantly reviewed and constantly briefed to the Congress. It’s an important part of protecting the United States, and it’s still an important part of our protection, because there’s still an enemy that would like to attack us, no matter how calm it may seem in America, an enemy lurks and they would like to strike. They would like to do harm to the American people, because they have an agenda. They want to impose an ideology. They want us to retreat from the world. They want to find safe haven, and these just aren’t empty words. These are the words of al Qaeda themselves, and so we will put in place programs to protect the American people that honor the civil liberties of our people and programs that we constantly brief to Congress."

Code word: flag, as in the one we'll reclaim by following this story.

glennpdx wrote on July 31, 2007 6:52 PM:

You know you are in trouble when Larry King calls you a liar...

On the Clock wrote on July 31, 2007 6:56 PM:

Oh, how I wish Bush had said, "The stink comes from Bush."

Alas, the quote was "I'm not going to talk about it.

On the Clock wrote on July 31, 2007 6:58 PM:

Re: glennpdx

If Bush as lost Larry King, he's lost Middle Viagra.

On the Clock wrote on July 31, 2007 6:58 PM:

Re: glennpdx

If Bush has lost Larry King, he's lost Middle Viagra.

Com-n-sense wrote on July 31, 2007 7:00 PM:

Nahhh, nobody ordered anyone to do anything.

Why Gonzo and WhataCard just took it upon themselves to try to take advantage of a sick man on a whim. They were sitting around having a few drinks and said, "You know, let's go see our good old friend Johnny and, hey, while we're there there's a voice in my head saying it would be a good idea to get him to sign-off on this ease-dropping thing."

Sounds completely plausible to me.

Com-n-sense wrote on July 31, 2007 7:04 PM:

Where's Ashcroft on all this? I know he was medicated but I'm sure he could add something too this.

TIA Programs wrote on July 31, 2007 7:14 PM:

Some of the terms used to describe program(s) in public statements include:

Communications Intelligence
Domestic Electronic Surveillance
Early Warning Detection System
Electronic Surveillance
Enhanced Surveillance Procedures
International Communications Surveillance Program
NSA Electronic Surveillance Operations
Signals Intelligence Activities
Special Access Programs
Total Information Awareness (TIA) Program
Terrorism Information Awareness Program
Terrorist Surveillance Program
Warrantless Domestic Surveillance Program
Warrantless Electronic Surveillance
Warrantless Foreign Intelligence Surveillance
Warrantless Searches
Warrantless Surveillance
Warrantless Surveillance Program

Then there's the programs in the Information Awareness Office (IAO) that have shifted to the DoD and NSA...there's a list over at Wikipedia but I have no idea if it's accurate.

Cheryl wrote on July 31, 2007 7:17 PM:

--"I was a big advocate of the Terrorist Surveillance Program, and had been responsible and working with General Hayden and George Tenet to get it to the President for approval."

Ah, now we know why Tenet got the Medal of Freedom, it was for helping Bush and Cheney, and Tenet himself to violate their un-respective oath of office to uphold the US Constitution.

Hey, why don't we just re-name it - the Medal of NO Freedom. Tenet just wanted to spit on all the dead buried in Arlington. I sure for Tenet, sacrifice is only for the poor and stupid, and every CIA agent who has ever died in service, did so with Tenet spitting on him.

mo2 wrote on July 31, 2007 7:24 PM:

At the time of the bedside visit, Gonzales was not Attorney General, he was White House Counsel, and Andrew H. Card Jr., was Bush's chief of staff.

These two positions, plus Bush being suspected to have been the person who telephoned Mrs. Ashcroft, imply that Bush sent them to the hospital. (Right after Cheney told Bush to.)

dolooper wrote on July 31, 2007 7:32 PM:

I like how he looked down while answering the question and then immediately looked at Larry when done. If that didn't constitute a tell I don't know what would.

SC: bent, as in Cheney telling the American people to get bent.

Barry Stock wrote on July 31, 2007 7:35 PM:

ArtJ wrote: "So Cheney is sending the WH counsel and chief of staff to see Ashcroft. Was Bush in his playpen?"

No, Bush had a high-level Above Top Secret meeting with his friend John Daniels...although you know him as Jack.

Code = brain, as in "fried brain sandwiches", (not only a popular German dish but) what happens when you watch Gonzales lie over and over, and then Cheney lie over and over. Pass the mayonnaise.

Lori Price wrote on July 31, 2007 7:47 PM:

Well, waterboard Cheney Halliburton. (Dictator Bush has ruled that waterboarding is not torture and is an acceptable CIA tactic, so my comment is allowable.)
Cheers,
Lori R. Price
Mgr., Citizens For Legitimate Government
http://www.legitgov.org/

Xman wrote on July 31, 2007 7:55 PM:

Well, a little dog bite on his nuts might improve his recollection. How about a little waterboarding? How about smearing a kotex on his face? Maybe a banana up his ass? Maybe pounded to death upside down in a sleeping bag? How about just hoping around naked in a freezing room. Blaring music 24/7? Bright white light 24/7?
Hey, it's all government approved stuff, right?

db wrote on July 31, 2007 8:15 PM:

Cheney instructed Bush to call Mrs. Ashcroft and then send GOnzo and Card to strong-arm Ashcroft before all the top attorneys at DOJ quit. That's how it works over there. Recall how Cheney instructed Bush to stay away from D.C. after 9/11 while he ran everything. It's true.

As for all these different program names, can't we cut the BS and call it what it is/was: The Warrantless Domestic Spying Program (WDSP).

code: MEMORY = I Won't Recall

Hugh Jarse wrote on July 31, 2007 8:54 PM:

Sound positively Agnewesque to me.

Hugh Jarse wrote on July 31, 2007 8:57 PM:

Sure sounds like good old Spiro Agnew to me.

skyreader7 wrote on July 31, 2007 9:01 PM:

mo2,
you are right. President Cheney ordered Bush to send them. Bush isn't smart enough to have even thought of it. Has anyone noticed that Bush looks like Barney Fife on steroids?

Paul Twomey wrote on July 31, 2007 9:31 PM:

Watch Cheney's eyes as he begins to comprehend the question King is asking and realizes he has to lie--- the blinking accelerates markedly. (He also clenches his jaw as the realization sinks in). Interestingly enough, this is probably an indication that Cheney is human.

RaymondA wrote on July 31, 2007 9:50 PM:

This is phenomenal! The Bushies now can't even survive the soft scrutiny of Larry King.

KCinDC wrote on July 31, 2007 10:01 PM:

Yes, if you can't count on Larry King for a meaningless softball interview, who can you trust? I think Cheney will be sticking with Limbaugh for any remaining interviews.

Al in Austex wrote on July 31, 2007 10:02 PM:

Impeach Cheney . Then slow walk Cheney's criminal investigations until 2009 so Dubya cannot pardon his sorry shriveled ass.
( Austin Cooper you made me laugh out loud with your bit about THE VEEP on Larry King- )
Cheney is the Nexus- sure wish there was a way to get Fitzgerald's mandate to investigate the outting of the Brewster Jennings network expanded to include the OVP -Like to see Fitz get a piece Addington & then Philbin ,,,

Anonymous wrote on July 31, 2007 10:08 PM:

Cheney and his secret energy task force are responsible for the iraq occupation because the only reason they engineered the invasion of iraq was to "privatize Iraq's oil. He is a war criminal and belongs in prison.

Candyce wrote on July 31, 2007 10:09 PM:

The person who should be deposed is Mrs. Ashcroft. She was the one who warned Comey, and she was in the room. She knows who made call. I'm a little surprised no one has talked with her.

Allen wrote on July 31, 2007 10:09 PM:

Every Democratic presidential candidate must be asked these questions: (1) If you are elected, will you waive executive privilege for any and all documents and for testimony of any and members the Bush II administration? (2) If you are elected, will you investigate & prosecute any and all members of the Bush II administration for any and all violations of the law?

It is important to remember that only the sitting President can assert executive privilege. Hence, the next President can shine a bright light on Bush II, punish wrong doing, and make absolutely certain that the historical record is complete.

Jerry Sneirson wrote on July 31, 2007 10:09 PM:

Cheney and his secret energy task force are responsible for the iraq occupation because the only reason they engineered the invasion of iraq was to "privatize Iraq's oil. He is a war criminal and belongs in prison.

marc wrote on July 31, 2007 11:16 PM:

"I don't recall"? That's a hoot.

Can't wait to see what Jon Steward does with this one.

If you can't finesse an interview with Larry King, you're in deep deep trouble.

litigatormom wrote on August 1, 2007 12:47 AM:

Note that Cheney not only looks down and clenches his jaw when LKL asks about the hospital trip, he then starts out with this: "Well, first of all I haven't seen the story." As if that's relevant.

Here is a link to the McConnell letter that supposedly helps exonerate Abu G. It's crap.

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/07/31/31.july.2007.dni.lette.tohon.specter.pdf

Code word "seem" as in "nothing is as it seems."

ChingarraSan wrote on August 1, 2007 1:31 AM:

The entire Bush Administration should be impeached, convicted, and thrown into prison while awaiting excution for treason! How about a series of failed excutions? Oops! Rope a little too long! Or, damn! Not enough electricity to be fatal! Just enough for bad burns! You get the idea! What goes around comes around!

tonywestside wrote on August 1, 2007 2:00 AM:

In all probability, he doesn't recall trumping up a major and now lost, costly war, either.

Off to the Hague with him.

tonywestside wrote on August 1, 2007 2:00 AM:

In all probability, he doesn't recall trumping up a major and now lost, costly war, either.

Off to the Hague with him.

Anonymous wrote on August 1, 2007 2:00 AM:

In all probability, he doesn't recall trumping up a major and now lost, costly war, either.

Off to the Hague with him.

Jess wrote on August 1, 2007 2:01 AM:

Give the old guy some credit. He did remember DOJ approving something for about 12 times by
the time [the hospital visit] had occurred.
Can AGAG remember something like that?

So .. did Cheney have to check the records to
get the approval number? Or was that just a
good round number that a reasonable person would remember given the circumstances?
Did he then bother to check who sent AGAG?

~ Jess

714Day wrote on August 1, 2007 2:51 AM:

Spiro Agnew was a forgetful kind of fellow, too.

jimbo92107 wrote on August 1, 2007 4:01 AM:

It's like asking Snidely Whiplash to remember every Dudley Doright episode. There were so many..!

jgreer wrote on August 1, 2007 4:08 AM:

Wow!...and this is about protecting us? Their number one priority?
Protecting us FROM terrorism? All the money allocated? ALL these fucked up ass rules!!! NO fly lists!! AND THESE MOTHERFUCKERS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE PROCESS OR HOW WE'RE BEING PROTECTED!!!

jackie wrote on August 1, 2007 7:33 AM:

Somebody up thread had a list of gov programs all regarding some sort of surveillance.
Therefore perhaps TSP is really the blanket term and TSP might really stand for TOTAL SURVEILLANCE PROGRAM...
Just a thought:)

JoshuasGrandma wrote on August 1, 2007 7:43 AM:

Shades of Ben Bradlee: "It was a non-denial denial."
For those of us who remember, this is a Watergate re-run, scripted by Lewis Carroll, more insane than the Mad Hatter's Tea Party. I want a Clean Cup!

JoshuasGrandma wrote on August 1, 2007 7:56 AM:

I think originally, TSP was the Total Surveillance Program, and it involved domestic data-mining very easily subverted into political use, getting ready for the 2004 elections. This is why the top-level DOJ guys were going to resign, because when Corney became acting - he conducted a review of the program and found out the details. So the tweaking they did was to drop the Total and confine it to Terrorist data-mining. That's why the name change. And for all we know, it might have been just a cosmetic name change and the contractors (because 70% of this intelligence data
collection is done by outside contractors) are still domestic data-mining for Rove's political purposes. It's no wonder they want to cover it up.

kentuck wrote on August 1, 2007 8:07 AM:

Beam me up, Scotty!

The Congress and the American people are comatose, unconscious. The media could report that an nuclear bomb just fell on Washington and the people would wait patiently for the next story? Was it really a nuclear weapon or just another large explosive device? Stay tuned for more at 6:00 pm...

TJD wrote on August 1, 2007 8:53 AM:

Gosh, I was going to make my first post to TPM, but I don't recall what I was going to say.

billybob wrote on August 1, 2007 9:01 AM:

I'm not an expert on government. I think I took it in high school in the 70's, but I can't recall. Can someone explain the relationship between the vice president and the attorney general? In other words, who the heck is the VP to TELL the AG what to do? For that matter, who is the VP to tell the chief of staff what to do?

OH wrote on August 1, 2007 10:29 AM:

"I dont recall that I WAS THE ONE WHO SENT THEM..."

chabuka wrote on August 1, 2007 10:58 AM:

Cheney is a nasty, lying, treasonous, insane old F**K!!!

Donna M wrote on August 1, 2007 2:54 PM:

Wait a minute! Cheney is just saying that he does not recall sending Gonzales and Card over to Ashcroft's hospital bed to get the TSP program re-authorized. But he's not saying that he doesn't recall sending them over to have the DATA MINING program re-authorized by Ashcroft on his hospital bed. See - Larry King just didn't ask the question the right way. He doesn't know the super-secret official code name for the program at that time. If he can't guess the correct (secret) point-in-time program name, and thus doesn't ask the question properly, Cheney is of course never, ever going to recall sending Gonzo and Andy over to Ashcroft's hospital bed to get him to re-authorize it....duh!

Xman wrote on August 1, 2007 3:14 PM:

Over at TPM, Josh is talking about poker "tells" that Cheney was lying in the interview.
He is on the mark, but there were so many tells during the interview that one could write a book.
Most telling was his face flushing, body stiffening, breathing getting shorter, looking down so you couldn't see his eyes or a lot of his face and flurtively looking at Larry King to see if King was buying the answer of him not "remembering".
For anyone interested, there are two great books on "tells". One Book of Tells, by poker great Mike Caro. And another Book of Tells by psychologist Peter Collet.
If one really wants to read between the lines, knowing a personas "tells", is a must. Stop guessing and know...or as in code word: Stop being a "Sheep".

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