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Hillary Hater is DIY Robo Caller?
More about those calls. I spoke to Robert Morrow by phone just now, and he confirmed to me that he'd been making automated phone calls into South Carolina. "Absolutely," he said. But when I asked how many South Carolinians he'd called, he wouldn't say.
He also said that he himself was responsible for the calls, not any group that he'd formed. "I'm a grassroots activist. My efforts come from Robert Morrow." He also wouldn't tell me how much the calls had cost or who had done them for him, because he didn't "want the opposition to know." When I asked if he could do them from home, he only said "you can if you want to."
I also asked if he planned to make more calls in South Carolina or other states, and he said he "might."
He helpfully forwarded the call script, which he read on the calls himself, and I've pasted it below. "It's very important to understand that everything I say and email you I back up with facts," he told me.
So far, we've been contacted by four TPM readers who received the calls, and a commenter to my last post, "Jerry," also got one. We'll be posting the audio of the call sent in by TPM Reader RW momentarily.
Update: Here it is:
The script, as provided by Robert Morrow:
HILLARY TREATS PEOPLE LIKE THEY INVISIBLEHello. FBI agent Gary Aldrich says that Hillary on Inauguration Day, 1993 was in an uncontrolled and unbridled fury, yelling and screaming profanities, because she was not allowed to have Vice President Al Gore’s office in the White House. Hillary treats people like they are invisible; can you trust her?
Hillary knew about and helped cover up Bill’s rape of Juanita Broaddrick. Hillary treats women like they are invisible; can you trust her?
Hillary hired Jack Palladino to run a terror campaign on Kathleen Willey to keep her quiet about what Bill had done to her. They nail gunned her car tires and stole or killed her pet cat named Bullseye. Hillary thinks cats are expendable; can you trust her?
After Bill pulled down his britches and EXPOSED himself to Paula Jones, Hillary’s friend James Carville said “Drag a hundred dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what you’ll find.” Hillary treats women like they are invisible, can you trust her?
Hillary told TIME Magazine in June, 1996, that she was thinking about adopting a child, despite the fact Bill was having an affair with Monica and Hillary knew he had a whole harem in the White House. Hillary was having her own affairs with Vince Foster, probably Webb Hubbell and even others. Hillary makes up fairy tales about adopting an orphan child, can you trust her?
This message is from Robert Morrow on behalf of everyone who has been violated and abused by Hillary and Bill – treated like they were invisible. Hillary sure does say a lot of things, doesn’t she - but can you trust her?
Comments (110)
M wrote on January 22, 2008 2:09 PM:It's as if Bill had a zipper where his lips are located.
And he can't keep it shut and wags his finger in your face and just makes a great big mess.
Hillary is nothing if not political
RepubAnon wrote on January 22, 2008 2:18 PM:Mr. Foster died on July 20, 1993 and was buried - so how could Hillary was having an affair with him in 1996? Did she have him exhumed?
DemUnity08 wrote on January 22, 2008 2:20 PM:Pathetic. Just makes me want to sink back into a couch across from Mr. Morrow, pour a cup of hot tea, and ask:
"So who, Robert, made you feel invisible? When you read that Hillary Clinton was angry because she felt she was disrespected, did that image of an angry woman remind you of anyone? Why, Robert, why?"
qwerty wrote on January 22, 2008 2:28 PM:The obvious question. Do the nutcase have the money to finance the robo calls and is it only SC?
ShillarySucks wrote on January 22, 2008 2:33 PM:Good to see Shillary getting attacked in the manner she enjoys.
billyjojimbob wrote on January 22, 2008 2:36 PM:Any word of Rove and Harriet???
Barry Champlain wrote on January 22, 2008 2:38 PM:Did I miss any of this whole exciting, ongoing saga, or did we ever find out who was making the "Barack Hussein Obama" robocalls?
Yeah, these are all just concerned citizens, spending their own money to convince strangers to vote their way. Yeah. That's it.
(If that is true, then somewhere, I'll bet, an election law or two is being broken.)
shillarysucks wrote on January 22, 2008 2:42 PM:Barry Champlain - Who are you going to report the election law violations to?
Adam wrote on January 22, 2008 2:53 PM:This is the worst piece of grabage. I hope both Edwards and Obama ask for this guy to stop. Don't they have laws against this sort of thing? I'm an Obama suporter but nobody needs to have this kind of filth written about them.
Anonymous wrote on January 22, 2008 2:57 PM:"Hillary thinks cats are expendable; can you trust her?"
What a fucking lunatic.
Joe Bowman wrote on January 22, 2008 2:58 PM:Who is Robert Morrow? Where does he work and play. I find only one Robert Morrow on Google and I know him. Can someone tell me who he thinks he is? Joe B
Joe Bowman wrote on January 22, 2008 3:00 PM:Who is Robert Morrow? Where does he work and play. I find only one Robert Morrow on Google and I know him. Can someone tell me who he thinks he is? Joe B
Orwell's Intuition wrote on January 22, 2008 3:00 PM:I wish for once that people such as Morrow would choke on their own regurgitated vomit.
Gary wrote on January 22, 2008 3:02 PM:At last we know who the nutcase is behind the "Question Hillary" blog trolling. What a lunatic!
huckspetsquirrel wrote on January 22, 2008 3:04 PM:RepubAnon wrote:
Mr. Foster died on July 20, 1993 and was buried - so how could Hillary was having an affair with him in 1996? Did she have him exhumed?
Maybe this is where Huckabee gets the idea that necrophilia in institutionally sanctioned.
Irishamerican wrote on January 22, 2008 3:05 PM:More of the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy"?
drubs wrote on January 22, 2008 3:05 PM:I don't think so. If anything, this looks like the Clintons going for the sympathy vote. Who is paying Rob Morrow? My guess is you'll never find out.
This IS NOT Obama's style.
This is the Billary Campaign trying to get the "Victim" vote again.
Damnit, I hope FOR ONCE that voters aren't this stupid.
No Clintons.
No Bushes.
Time to turn the page.
These people WILL NOT GO QUIETLY INTO THE NIGHT.
We will have to TAKE THE PARTY BACK from these people.
Please help.
Please stop these Clintons from infecting our Party at this most important place in History.
Vote Obama 08!
Does this actually work in SC? If it does one should make a policy of never voting for the SC Winner in either party. What is it about SC?
Crazy Little Thing wrote on January 22, 2008 3:06 PM:This is a shame. I loved Rob Morrow in Northern Exposure.
Anonymous wrote on January 22, 2008 3:09 PM:No Clintons.
No Bushes.
That's right they're all the same! Nader 2000!
Anonymous wrote on January 22, 2008 3:12 PM:Who wants to take down Hillary and has the money to do it? Oprah?
NitPicker1 wrote on January 22, 2008 3:13 PM:I just checked the pricing at one robocall outfit - for a one-minute recorded message it's 1.9 cents/call, minimum list size 5000. Shorter calls are cheaper down to a penny per call. I can imagine that it would be even cheaper to run a small-scale op from a home computer; war-dialing software has been around since the seventies and long distance packages are cheap. Just pick a SC area code and go for it.
So, yeah, it's definitely cheap enough for an individual to indulge in this freelance. Think of all the folks who travel to primary states, e.g. IA, at their own expense to campaign for their candidate; this is peanuts compared to the costs of doing that (though not nearly as fun I'm sure.)
This nutcase has a long-standing and well-documented history of anti-Hillary craziness, so, while I wouldn't put it past Rove and his ilk to provide a bit of moral or even financial encouragement on the sly, Morrow doesn't need their help.
Some people have hobbies like boating or model airplanes; this guy's hobby happens to be smear campaigns, and Hillary is his favorite (not only) target. So if he drops a few hundred on robocalls, hey, that's just where he chooses to spend his money.
But perhaps someone in Austin should try cozying up to him at a Ron Paul meet-up and see if he spills the beans on how he's paying for the robocalls. Who knows, maybe he's just passing the hat.
Marti wrote on January 22, 2008 3:17 PM:What is it about the SC people that attracts this type of politics?
Anonymous wrote on January 22, 2008 3:18 PM:Joe B. - try googling "Robert Morrow" along with "Austin" and you should get enough links to see what this guy is. If he's your friend, my condolences.
Dawn wrote on January 22, 2008 3:21 PM:Did you ask him who he is supporting? I thought Republicans were dying to run against Hillary?
NitPicker1 wrote on January 22, 2008 3:26 PM:Dawn, he's supporting Ron Paul. But his hate for Hillary goes way, way beyond anything as logical as calculating who he thinks is a strong or weak candidate for the Dems.
CT Voter wrote on January 22, 2008 3:30 PM:What is it about the SC people that attracts this type of politics?
The same thing about people in Nevada, Iowa, etc: it works on a segment of the population...
Nothing mysterious or crazier about South Carolinians, imho....
drubs wrote on January 22, 2008 3:31 PM:Do we know if this nut job ever wrote for any of the Ron Paul Newsletters?
KyleXY wrote on January 22, 2008 3:33 PM:A two bit robocaller trotting out outlandish unhinged attacks is worthy of a front page story?
The editorial decisions need to be made by adults -- not Obama loving one step out of college Hillary Haters.
What a lame story...
Kathy Sammons wrote on January 22, 2008 3:37 PM:I was under the impression that the vice president's office was not in the White House. Good thing, considering Dick Cheney nearly burned it down destroying those CIA tapes (heh heh)
bo wrote on January 22, 2008 3:38 PM:Ya know, this might be an excuse for Hillary to have another sob session. Might be worth a few votes!
Mark wrote on January 22, 2008 3:46 PM:Who cares about this story? I'm kind of new to TPM, but it seems slightly irrelevant.
Norman Walker wrote on January 22, 2008 3:48 PM:I received one of these calls. I listened, laughed and said. That's so silly. I guess there are people around that will pay attention to that sort of thing. They are probably Republicans and don't vote for Hillary anyway. Maybe its a sexual thing. Or, maybe this guy is just silly.
drubs wrote on January 22, 2008 3:53 PM:Hello Mark
Not just TPM (which I really enjoy) but the entire net. Take it all with a grain including the MSM and the youth vote.
Anyone who has ever commented on a blog is part of a tiny non representative sample that doesn't really reflect the general population. But it is fun!
Masslib wrote on January 22, 2008 3:53 PM:This so effing disgusting.
The Grand Panjandrum wrote on January 22, 2008 3:53 PM:Who wants to take down Hillary and has the money to do it? Oprah?
Naaahh! It has to be the guy on the grassy knoll. The Lone Gunmen theory is just too obvious.
Dan wrote on January 22, 2008 3:53 PM:For those of you who were asking, I've read Robert Morrow plenty of times in comments section of The Washington Note, Steve Clemons blog. He generally spews some hate about how Bill Clinton is a rapist and Hillary covered it up.
Here is his website:
http://www.1984arkansasmotheroftheyear.com/
Strangely enough, he lists his phone number. Should we robocall him?
ChrisO wrote on January 22, 2008 3:55 PM:Irishamerican: Are you new to politics? You Obama supporters can relax. I don't think anyone is accusing his campaign of being behind the calls. It's you guys who have a white hot hatred for his primary opponent, remember? Hillary supporters will be happy to vote for him in the general. These calls don't have to have been made by either campaign. The Clinton's have been living with these kind of stalkers for years.
It's beyond me how people keep thinking that a candidate will finance vicious attacks on herself just to get "sympathy." Jeez.
MJ wrote on January 22, 2008 3:56 PM:Hillary doesn't hate women. She LOVES them. I've been told by a former Secret Service agent of her lesbian exploits in the White House.
don wrote on January 22, 2008 3:58 PM:The smear merchants have tried to get Bill and Hillary before (remember the 90s). And check out Bill's approval rating after all the hoopla and impeachment fiasco.....voters over 30 will remember those days and probably react in the same way.
Mary wrote on January 22, 2008 3:59 PM:Where is the video of Bill going nuts at the Nevada caucus and seeing "voter intimidation" everywhere. This is just nuts. I wouldn't put it past the clinton campaign to send out this robocall itself and sob "see what we have to put up with"
It reminds me the kid who bit himself on his arm, on purpose, just enough for teeth marks to show, then run to his parents and scream that another kid bit him.
Of course, hillary supporters are just like those duped parents who go running screaming at the other kid's parents "look what your kid did to my precious little boy"
In the words of bill "Give me a break"
lostingeekdom wrote on January 22, 2008 4:01 PM:I live in Nebraska and am surrounded by Republicans who bring up similar accusations against Hillary? What is the basis for all of this? And can someone give me pointers on refuting this kind of insanity? I tried laughing it off, but these faux news watchers are stuck in that groove.
brianm0122 wrote on January 22, 2008 4:02 PM:I have never understood the Clinton-haters. Like them or not, why all the consiracy theories surrounding them?
It's one thing to dislike someone's politics, or even dislike them personally, but the level of hatred and weirdness that accompanies the Clinton-bashers is just psychotic. Not even borderline psychotic, just plain, over-the-edge, bat-shit-crazy psychotic.
Can anyone explain this to me? What is it? A sort of reverse "cult of personality"? Is it projection? rationalization? compensating? I just don't get it.
Anonymous wrote on January 22, 2008 4:02 PM:"It reminds me the kid who bit himself on his arm, on purpose, just enough for teeth marks to show, then run to his parents and scream that another kid bit him." What kid? Did you make this up?
drubs wrote on January 22, 2008 4:05 PM:People hate the Clintons because they are effective. They can't beat them in a fair fight so they go bat Sh** crazy. Remeber the bullies in middle school who picked on the smart kid?
Don't worry about refutation faux news has crested and is waning don't engage the yahoos on their level.
Gina wrote on January 22, 2008 4:11 PM:Lame.
What an annoying girly voice. If he called me, I'd hang up thinking he's a pedophile.
lostingeekdom wrote on January 22, 2008 4:13 PM:I wouldn't bother with refuting if these folks were yahoos. But they're all pretty decent, nice folk, who have been Republicans for too long, I guess.
parrot wrote on January 22, 2008 4:23 PM:Is robolibel free speech? Good question...let's hope someone starts using it against the Supreme Court so we can get a good judgement on the practice.
daniel wrote on January 22, 2008 4:29 PM:am I the only one who finds this incredibly funny? to me this seems like a bit of a mockery of the state of elections in general?
parrot wrote on January 22, 2008 4:33 PM:Did you ask him who else he hates? Just curious...might as well find out now and get it out there.
JC wrote on January 22, 2008 4:33 PM:There is no way it is even close to DIY if 4 of your readers have received those calls. Statistically speaking, that doesn't fly.
Your readership in South Carolina is a drop in the bucket compared to the number of residents. If 4 of your readers got calls it is a widespread operation. No doubt about it and definitely not DIY.
Statistics don't lie.
Anonymous wrote on January 22, 2008 4:36 PM:@ChrisO:
"It's beyond me how people keep thinking that a candidate will finance vicious attacks on herself just to get "sympathy." Jeez."
Precisely.
It's the same as the 9-11 truthers claiming that Ron Paul is only distancing himself from them because while he secretly believes 9/11 was an inside job, he "knows the game" and understands that POV would be a no-win in the general election.
How do people get to be so stupid?
Lonny wrote on January 22, 2008 4:36 PM:This is exactly the kind of wingnuttery that I expected to come out of the woodwork against Hillary. Expect much more, especially if she gets the nomination.
I tried not to laugh when I heard the line: “Drag a hundred dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what you’ll find.”
Lookingforhome wrote on January 22, 2008 4:40 PM:People who think anyone -- including Sen. Clinton -- deserve this kind of scummy treatment are right in line with this nit-wit. I'm sure he evokes a warm, congratulatory reaction from many who post here.
Even better I'm assuming Arianna will be naming him person of the week...
Anonymous wrote on January 22, 2008 4:46 PM:OMG, the Time Magazine bit about Bill and Hill adopting is true! Who woulda thunk it? The guy's right--the timing of that interview and the cigaring are, well, unfortunate.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,984642,00.html
You know how it goes, though-- throwing a verifiable nugget or two of truth into a fabrication makes the entirety more believable.
Hey, maybe he's the son Gennifer Flowers claims she had by Bill and gave up for adoption, but now all grown up with an axe to grind.
http://www.answers.com/topic/gennifer-flowers
dennisS wrote on January 22, 2008 5:01 PM:Has anyone ever seen this guy and Chris Matthews together in the same place?
His rant and obsession are so familiar. If they're not actually the same person they should get together and yammer themselves to exhaustion.
ebie wrote on January 22, 2008 5:02 PM:Ah, the good old days. This is the sort of thing that takes me back to the 90's, when Hillary was blamed for the death of Vince Foster, the Whitewater "scandal", cheating on her bar exams and whatever else the nutjobs of the VRWC could concoct.
If you want to know why she plays hardball, look no further than kooks like Robert Morrow.
Vote Clinton-Obama 08!
theWalrus wrote on January 22, 2008 5:04 PM:I love how he says "Hillary and Bill", as if he's a close friend.
Too funny! And he can back it all up with FACTS!!
LOL!
Dearest wrote on January 22, 2008 5:06 PM:Ahem...Billary did have a few rather nasty issues with a number of women, including but not exclusively "that woman" with he claimed he "did not have sexual relations with".
Since when being a liberal or voting the democratic party entails denying this?
wj wrote on January 22, 2008 5:13 PM:Hillary thinks cats are expendable; can you trust her?
This is hilarious
wj wrote on January 22, 2008 5:13 PM:Hillary thinks cats are expendable; can you trust her?
This is hilarious
Anonymous wrote on January 22, 2008 5:27 PM:Drubs:
"People hate the Clintons because they are effective. They can't beat them in a fair fight so they go bat Sh** crazy"
The people who understand that the Clintons are effective aren't the ones who hate them. They are people who think logically and reasonably, they are not Bat-shit crazy. They are not the haters. Maybe they started these crazy rumors/conspiracies, but someone who is rational enough to see how effective they are wouldn't believe this craz-z-zy (triple ZZZ cary!!) BS.
There seems to be a certain type who don't see the Clintons as effective, but rather as some sort of devil-spawned, cloven-hoofed creatures, who are successful only because of their supernaturally-assisted super-powers-of-deviousness-they-got-when-they-made-a-deal-with-satan-himself, and therefore cannot be actually responsible for their own success.
These people must feel the there is some reason why such evil persons can possibly be successful, and heaven forbid should it be because they are somewhat competent, (as opposed the the current admin). It must be because they, what? sacrifice cats on the altar of cocaine-smuggling, Vince-Foster-killing, pediophile, state-trooper-hating sex-crazed. left-handed lesbian sun-gods?
What is it about the Clintons that makes people NUTS?
hack wrote on January 22, 2008 5:44 PM:@JC - 4:33
It's pretty easy to set up an open source pbx that would let you make thousands of VoIP calls per hour. This could easily be DIY.
Oh Jesus wrote on January 22, 2008 5:48 PM:Oh yeah
Stan wrote on January 22, 2008 5:50 PM:we can see the Hill Bill ys are going to have a lot of support for their egos
in the white house.
As far as I'm concerned Bill probably did more or less rape Juanita Broadrick and fire his magic penis beam at Paula Jones et al. Just because there are insane people on the right doesn't mean Bill and Hillary aren't filthy dirty in all the filthiest ways. The enemey of my enemy is...in this case...a letcherous freak. I remember how betrayed I felt in the Lewinsky matter, when Bill waggled his finger at me and lied, and I stood up for him. These two will never have my trust, however many rabid rightwingers try to flay them. They use it as a defense.
Bill wrote on January 22, 2008 5:51 PM:Remember: They used to vilify FDR in his days, and he was effective, too.
It's hard to vilify the current Bush because there's already so much evidence that he's way over his head.
Anonymous wrote on January 22, 2008 5:52 PM:"What is it about the Clintons that makes people NUTS?"
Could it be the lying? Or the triangulating? Or the selling the party out? Or the sewer morals?
I'll think about it and get back to you. On first blush I'd say it's the lying in combination with the sexual assault stuff...
Clinton Bush VI wrote on January 22, 2008 5:56 PM:You see!!! Everything negative said about me is just the mindless ramblings of right wing kooks! Vote for me! NOW! I'm ready for eight more years of change you can believe in and be ready for on day 1!!!
sc kitty wrote on January 22, 2008 5:57 PM:i live in SC and i never answer my phone if i don't recognize the number -- i listen to the answering machine to see if i know them. the anon clls i get never leave a message.
i do, however, get emails from robert morrow. i googled the guys name and found piece by Larry Johnson that basically said
if Hill and Bill were really as evil as morrow said, don't ya think morrow would have been "taken care of" by now??
drubs wrote on January 22, 2008 6:03 PM:Anonymous wrote on January 22, 2008 5:27 PM:
".........What is it about the Clintons that makes people NUTS?.........................."
You make a good point. There are people who hate the clintons for good reasons but they inspire an army of batsh** crazy minions with their no holds bared habit of throwing any crazy thing against the wall, and in a country of 300 Million somethings gotta stick. Repeat a few thousand times and voila Billary = Satan = Stalin. This is why I know to ignore anyone who spouts this bile in every day conversation, they have already shown me their lack of cred, it is sort of a litmus test.
Anonymous wrote on January 22, 2008 6:10 PM:You ever notice how the Anti-Hillary posts spike after 4 PM ? School must be out. Shouldn't a lot of you be out knocking on doors for Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich?
Matthews Carlson '08
Anonymous2 wrote on January 22, 2008 6:22 PM:I have unfortunately been getting emails from this crazy guy for over one year. I am tired of it and hopefully the more exposure he gets, then it will stop! I plan on voting for Hillary because of nuts like this guy.
blaze wrote on January 22, 2008 7:12 PM:So many complaints about Bill and his (never charged by anyone) rapes. Why does Hillary take the heat for that?
By the way. Kathleen Willey failed two lie detector tests and it was revealed by Willey's friend Julie Hiatt Steele that Ms. Willey asked her to lie for her. Every charge against the Clintons leveled by Ken Starr was dropped with no guilty charges. Whitewater was found baseless twice (by the Pillsbury report and by special counsel Robert Fisk (Republican)) before Ken Starr even began his investigation. I think this dude needs to get his smears straight. Did Hillary have Vince Foster for a lover, or is she gay?
neo-liberal wrote on January 22, 2008 7:21 PM:Now, even Democrats give Bill Clinton no credit for one of the most successful Presidencies in our history. Imagine if trickle-down had been in place from Reagan on through Bush Jr. without the fiscal sanity provided by Bill Clinton? Bill Clinton saved this country and we don't even know it.
"What is it about the Clintons that makes people NUTS?"
I agree with the poster above:
"Could it be the lying? Or the triangulating? Or the selling the party out? Or the sewer morals?"
ABSOLUTELY.
I've got a feeling now for what motivates these people. I now have NO sympathy for Clintons or for a party that will shove her at me in Nov.
As far as I am concerned the Rightwing loons can Robofuck her to death. I'll be voting WITH them in November and in the midterms.
Like it or not the bottom line is just this:
The Clintons inspire hate.
RandyBastard wrote on January 22, 2008 8:22 PM:After seeing their nasty shit destroy Obama, I have come to understand that.
It is a very fundamental and visceral thing: One simply can't vote for that which they hate.
Could you ask him for the proof he says he has? He's likely using information from the many Hate Clinton books out there and doesn't have any real proof.
It might be fun to see what he considers to be proof.
East-West wrote on January 22, 2008 8:35 PM:Drubs asked: "Does this actually work in SC? .... What is it about SC?"
One state, too many trailer parks, 4 million people, 5 last names. When a South Carolinian says, "Who's yer daddy?" he means "Which brother's yer daddy?" Of course this crap works there! Look what those morons did to McCain in 2000!!!!
As for "neo-Liberal": NL, I know liberals. Liberals are friends of mine. You're no liberal. Considering you were barely out of the womb when Bill was in office, my recommendation is that you do a little actual research of actual history before going off on another of your little hate-fests. You just look silly.
Anonymous wrote on January 22, 2008 8:58 PM:"One simply can't vote for that which they hate." Enjoy 8 more years of republican misrule or grow up.
DrToketee wrote on January 22, 2008 9:01 PM:First, the caller identified himself. So he is willing to express his assertions openly and take the heat for it. so I give him considerable credit for it.
Second, there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that supports most of what he says. Bill's affairs have no more and no less proof attached to them than does Hillary's, yet most people do understand that when there's a ton of smoke, there's a high probability of a fire nearby ...
Also, as for the Vince Foster problem with dates, a careful reader would realize that there's merely a verb tense error in the relevant sentence, not an error of fact.
And incidently, the Foster suicide arose shortly out of the TravelGate scandal, in which Hillary was the main prominent figure. She was also a key figure in both the Whitewater and FileGate scandals as well. Are you smelling the smoke yet?
The point is Hillary has left a long trail of drama and bitterness behind her wherever she's been. Maybe some of the stories are not true, but for such a very long time very few of them were ever convincingly rebutted.
drubs wrote on January 22, 2008 9:02 PM:Blaze
I by no means consider the Clintons Saints, but it amazes me that the Youth vote and the "change" crowd are so quick to adopt the tactics of the fringe crazy right wing, who unfortunately have a cable network to constantly repeat tired old and baseless stories.
chigger wrote on January 22, 2008 9:49 PM:Scheeze, when I read that 1996 Time Mag interview of Hillary and put it in the context of the Gennifer Flowers allegations in 1992, and then later Monicagate,I have to wonder who the crazed nuts really are. Here's a man who weathered the Flowers scandal in 92 as he was running for president the first time (he later finally admits under oath that he boinked her "once"), and not being satisfied with that controversy, he cigars Monica several years later. Meanwhile Hillary the enabler buys his lies both times, with Hillary talking about having/adopting another child in between these two scandals. As if that crazy-making addiction/enabling dynamic isn't enough, look at how they "protected" their daughter from political controversy:
"....TIME: How do you help Chelsea cope with being in the political spotlight?
Mrs. Clinton: When she was six, Bill and I talked about how we could prepare her for the meanspiritedness and slings and arrows that come with political life. At dinners her father would pretend to be running against Bill Clinton, and he would say something like "Don't vote for Bill Clinton. He's a terrible person, and he's mean to people." Chelsea got big tears in her eyes. At a series of dinners, we would do this.....".
And now I'm wondering, if Bill messed up Monica's blue dress, which one in that marriage was infertile? Tell me again who the crazies are.
hisgirlfriday wrote on January 22, 2008 9:49 PM:Is this "the fun part"?
Anonymous wrote on January 22, 2008 9:55 PM:Hey chigger
Obama was a coke head. So what of it? Hilary stayed with her husband so what? Keep it up kids and say hello to John McCain in January '09.
neo-liberal wrote on January 22, 2008 10:20 PM:Hello Mr. Predident McCain Sir!!!
Maddie In Florida wrote on January 22, 2008 10:25 PM:I have been looking for a site where there is some civility.
This is much better but some of these posts are
Lenunculus wrote on January 22, 2008 10:35 PM:pretty un civil. Still better than most...for now.
"Hillary thinks cats are expendable..."
Ha ha I love this guy...he would be great on The Daily Show.
Ron Robertson wrote on January 22, 2008 10:49 PM:If you claim you know what motivates the Clintons (or Obama, or anyone besides yourself), then you're just fooling yourself. You can make a guess, but that's a pretty poor basis for making a decision.
I can't believe all the stupid projection going on. Projecting virtual sainthood on Obama, saying he'll do this, that, and basically turn this country into valhalla. He's no saint, and he won't turn the country around and that's fine with me, I'd still vote for him if he gets the nomination. i don't want a fucking saint.
Likewise, all this stupid projection on Hillary, the childish mocking of her name (Shillary, Billary, and all kinds of other bullshit). She's no great satan, she's no saint, she's a person, and that's fine with me, I'll still vote for her if she gets the nomination.
If somehow Edwards gets the nod, I'll vote for him.
The whole point is, stop being stupid. The Clintons aren't monsters, things were actually pretty good when Bill was in office. I'd be happy to have some more of those days.
I don't know who'll win this nomination, but all 3 are just fine by me. Let them vet the hell out of each other so that they'll survive the inevitable hell breaking loose in the general election. They'll be prepared, and the democrats will win.
chigger wrote on January 22, 2008 11:34 PM:Look, Hillary defenders, that 1996 Times Mag interview jelled for me how the Clinton's sick marital dynamics had been imposed on this nation for eight years. And now we have Hillary's narcissistic ambition asking us to have those same dynamics imposed on us once again for another eight years, as if the original 8 dysfunctional years had never happened. She doesn't get it, and that is a problem for me.
Man, to do that to a 6-year-old kid at the dinner table over and over again is sick.
Rev Dr in thebewilderness wrote on January 23, 2008 12:56 AM:"Second, there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that supports most of what he says. Bill's affairs have no more and no less proof attached to them than does Hillary's, yet most people do understand that when there's a ton of smoke, there's a high probability of a fire nearby ..."
That's precisely how they burned thousands of witches.
If enough people accuse you of enough crimes you must be guilty of something.
Also, gossip does not equal evidence, no matter how many times it is repeated.
Anonymous wrote on January 23, 2008 1:20 AM:Criminy!!
Can 6 year olds vote?
drubs wrote on January 23, 2008 1:23 AM:Most evils in America will try to be justified by one or all of three arguments:
1) Family Values
2) Sates' Rights
3) Christianity
All noble concepts and yet they are hijacked by those praise them without really believing them.
DBL wrote on January 23, 2008 2:07 AM:I'm telling you, HILLARY CLINTON EATS NOTHING BUT CUTE FUZZY KITTENS AS PART OF HER NEW 'CAMPAIGN' DIET.
Now, the question is ... do you trust *me*?
In other words, we can all safely completely ignore people like Mr. Robert Morrow.
Jan wrote on January 23, 2008 5:40 AM:I'm sure Robert Morrow goes to church three times a week -- Sunday mornin', Sunday evenin', and Prayer Meetin' on Wednesday nights.
One of the reason I support Hillary Clinton is because I divide the world into sane people and Clinton Haters. I NEVER want to be on the side of the Robert Morrows of America.
jeffs wrote on January 23, 2008 7:49 AM:Unfortunately, there are a lot of otherwise perfectly sane people who subscribe to this Hillary hatred stuff.
For instance, I recently discovered in my own family, an otherwise gentle, highly educated Liberal Democrat, has joined online groups that could be characterized as absolutely rabid anti-Clinton.
I mean, he believes the Vince Foster autopsy was never properly released and scrutinized.
It's a bizarre phenomenon, and it's not going away.
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Anonymous wrote on January 23, 2008 10:37 AM:pathetic that there are obama supporters here who are so willing and unashamed to align themselves with pukes like this and their vileness and stupidity.
makes me embarrassed to be associated with them both as someone who reads TPM and someone who votes Dem. If i were someone who supported obama i'd be triply embarrassed. (and if i were a clinton supporter i'd be doubly resolute in my support.)
clinton haters like that are right up there with 9/11 conspiracy nuts on my list of people i prefer not to be associated with. (though both paranoid clinton haters and 9/11 conspiracy nuts come in below the white supremists - like the ron paul supporters - on that list.)
not that i believe in guilt by association but i certainly believe in shame and embarrassment by association.
Jane wrote on January 23, 2008 11:14 AM:Some people cannot deal with cognitive dissonance -- they want all their Presidents to be saints.
History, on the other hand, shows that deeply flawed human beings have been able to make great contributions: FDR, JFK, LBJ (good and bad), MLK all come to mind.
tomc wrote on January 23, 2008 4:11 PM:I live in SC and received the Robert Morrow call today. Last week, prior to the SC Republican primary, I received a similar call from someone who identified himself as a Ron Paul supporter which was 100% negative against John McCain and his positions on gun control. Could they have been from the same source?
Diana wrote on January 23, 2008 6:35 PM:This Robert Morrow guy is completely pathetic. Apparently he doesn't know ANYTHING about all the good the Clinton's collectively accomplished during Bill Clinton's presidency. This country's economic situation was strong and running well thanks to the efforts of Bill, which by the way thanks to our current Bush administration has gone to hell after Bill's efforts. Who cares what he did behind closed doors, I don't give a shit. All that should matter is that when it comes down to being president, he makes good efforts for this country which he did. Where this idiot Morrow gets his bogus facts should be beyond anyone, whether he heard them from a tainted media source, cheap tabloid or who knows maybe he pulled them out of a rabbits ass.
Diana wrote on January 23, 2008 6:53 PM:He apparently has no hard facts to substantiate or prove any of his accusations concerning Hillary. If he had a clue, he would take the time to do some actual RESEARCH and know that Hillary is an exceptional role model who has fought endlessly for the rights of children and made history doing so. As a law student, AT YALE (oh wow, now, where did ROBERT BORROW's sorry ass get his education from?...NOT YALE I bet) Hillary represented foster children and parents in family court and worked on some of the earliest studies creating legal standards for identifying and protecting abused children.Hillary ran a legal aid clinic for the poor when she first got to Arkansas and handled cases of foster care and child abuse. Years later, she organized a group called Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families. When she was just 30, President Carter appointed her to the board of the United States Legal Services Corporation, a federal NONPROFIT program that funds legal assistance for the poor. And that is just small tidbit of her long laundry list of exceptional accomplishments. I bet this moron Robert Morrow doesn't know any of this, but instead chose to get information from invalid sources who are more than likely so bitter about their own lives, they instead choose to bring other people down in a lame attempt to make bring themselves up. Thats what this Robert Morrow idiot seems to be doing. NOTE TO ROBERT MORROW: THE ONLY THING YOUR RIDICULOUS PHONE MESSAGES PROVE IS HOW A PERSON LIKE YOURSELF IS AN IGNORANT, CLOSE-MINDED PRICK WHO RATHER SPEND HIS TIME BRINGING OTHERS DOWN USING FALSE ACCUSATIONS IN ORDER TO MAKE HIM FEEL LESS UPSET ABOUT HIS OWN MEANINGLESS, SELFISH PATHETIC EXISTENCE. ROBERT MARROW, GET A LIFE YOU CLASSLESS JERK OFF.
IN ADDITION, HILLARY HAPPENS TO BE ONE OF THE ONLY CANDIDATES WHO CARES ABOUT ALL THE ISSUES AND ACTUALLY HAS PLAN TO RESTORE THE COUNTRY'S ECONOMY INCLUDING AN INTEREST RATE FREEZE FOR FIVE YEARS, AND A NATIONAL HEALTHCARE PLAN TO GET EVERYONE HEALTHCARE AND STOP PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE FROM DRAINING OUR TAX MONEY BY SHOWING UP AT ER'S ALL OVER THE COUNTRY FOR COMMON COLDS WHILE EVERYONE WHO FOLLOWS THE RULES OF HEALTHCARE AND WHO STRUGGLES TO PAY THEIR OWN BILLS GET STUCK WITH THE BILLS OF THOSE WHO CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE. I COULD GO ON AND ON, BUT I DON'T THINK I NEED TO.
G Davis wrote on January 23, 2008 8:36 PM:The easy way to do away with all these messes is unelect all the partisan fools and elect leaders for our entire country.
"We can no longer afford to build ourselves up by tearing someone else down. We can no longer afford to traffic in lies or fear or hate." Barack Obama
Vote hope, not fear. Vote unite, not divide and conquer.
G Davis wrote on January 23, 2008 8:39 PM:Diana you'd get a lot more credibility if you unlocked the caps key....and paragraphs are your friends...
Yeesh...
"We can no longer afford to build ourselves up by tearing someone else down. We can no longer afford to traffic in lies or fear or hate." Barack Obama
Vote hope, not fear. Vote unite, not divide and conquer.
Mari wrote on January 23, 2008 10:20 PM:I can always tell which Democratic Candidate that these neocons fear the most. And further, you can tell which person is most likely to win by the target of these filthy-minded neocons. Frankly even if all this were true, and it is not, I would rather have someone who has strange relationships than someone hell-bent in bombing heck out of Iraq, whose administration lies about WMDs over 500 times, who constantly pays off his buddies with unbid contracts, who has some ilicit dealings in his own background all the while, acting superior to others. Yep give me a Clinton who is so wonderfully competent instead of this dud we have now. But it is fun to see this same old attack machine trying this time around. Only thing, no matter what they spread around. folks are going to vote for a clean sweep. Thank God the Democrats have such fine candidates that they could close their eyes and no matter where the pen drops, they would have a fine leader. so go ahead, start this filth, but just remember while you spend all your time running down Hillary Clinton, you fail to get the message out about your favorite candidate. Have at it, you silly people.
Maggie wrote on January 24, 2008 6:09 AM:Robert Morrow- All you have to do is spread the word for the Americans to enter into their browser, Hillary Clinton-Phoenix Pin. If people knew the real truth about her as a One Worlders, they would not vote for her or the McCains; Christians will vote for Huckabee and by the way, I am a Democrat and a Christian.
Maggie wrote on January 24, 2008 6:14 AM:The McCains and the Clintons are One Worlders- enter "hillary clinton-phoenix pin" in your browser.
Pass THAT information onto everyone you know before its too late.
The One World government is here and if Hillary or McCain are President, you can kiss your democracy goodbye!!!
Blaine wrote on January 24, 2008 10:14 AM:Why is it some pathetic Texan freak makes obscene phone calls to South Carolinians and it's the South Carolinians who take the rap? We have enough problems of our own, we don't need idiots from other states tarnishing our image. I got one of these calls today and found it patently offensive and would love to see this guy taken up on charges considering the indecent comments he made during an unsolicited phone call that seems to me breaks the Do Not Call list's provisions. Since he doesn't claim affiliation with any political groups, it seems he's just sent automated harrassing messages across state lines to people on the Do Not Call list.
Diana wrote on January 25, 2008 11:09 AM:- 'Adopted' South Carolinian
hey G davis, don't concern yourself with my paragraphs, how I choose to display my message, or my caps locks, I'll write how I want to when it comes to an internet forum. Instead, try to concern yourself with the facts. And if you all did some REAL research about Hillary, you'd discover there is more to it than what some crappy, cheap information than what some media or internet sites provide.
Diana wrote on January 25, 2008 11:18 AM:And you'd also know that even though Barack obama may be a good candidate, which he is, he is not ready to be president yet. Maybe in the next four years, or beyond after he's had more experience in general. Hillary is one of the strongest candidates if it came down to someone who IS READY at this very moment to handle being president, Hillary is the only one. Oh ya, and the New York times agrees.
and G davis, if you knew anything about how credibility goes, you'd know it has absolutely nothing to do with how i use my caps locks. let me guess, you failed to notice all the great things I mentioned that Hillary has done for this country, which are just a few in a long list of extensive experience.
Diana wrote on January 25, 2008 11:30 AM:let's get one thing straight before anyone goes attacking anyone else's candidate.....no candidate has a completely clean record for never doing anything wrong. No politicians hands are completely clean. Even your precious Obama, and certainly any of the Republican candidates. this is still politics after all. That was pointed out in the last democratic debate, if you bothered to watch it you'd know that also.
Hey Blain, I agree with you. I am also on the Do Not call list and we got one of his pathetic calls just yesterday. Thats a problem all in itself, why does this idiot have my number to call, I certainly don't want his pathetic and offensive message taking up my phone line for even the littlest amount of time. And I'm really annoyed that he was even able to get my number to call. I'm also unlisted, which makes it even more annoying.
NoJoy wrote on January 25, 2008 4:44 PM:"... yet most people do understand that when there's a ton of smoke, there's a high probability of a fire nearby..."
That or somebody with a smoke machine, and you know where they're trying to blow it.
Ravi wrote on January 28, 2008 4:19 AM:One point of possible interest is Broaddrick's allegation that Clinton bit her upper lip in order to overcome her resistance. A police officer and expert on sex-crimes who was interviewed on radio by former FBI agent, prosecutor, and convict G. GordonLiddy (who knows the legal system inside and out), said that lipbiting is a "suppression technique" commonly used by serial rapists. It allows the assailant to subdue the victim while leaving his arms and legs free. The officer said that on the basis of Broaddrick's description of the crime, he would go straight to his "serial rapist file" to compile a list of likely suspects. Just a thought -- is this the sort of detail a woman would be likely to make up if she were fabricating a false report of a rape?
excerpt from Edward Zehr's article in Washington Weekly (3/1/1999)
Trudy wrote on January 28, 2008 1:36 PM:I wonder if the Hillary-haters out there would vote for any woman for president. Hillary Clinton has taken no end of abuse from everyone -- not just
Republicans, but from the press, tv pundits, and, unfortunately, even Democrats. When she asserts herself she is called aggressive and pushy, when she holds back or shows her emotions she's called too soft. When she defends herself,she's too whiny, too shrill (in other words she doesn't have that resonant male baritone).
She's a tough campaigner and wants very much to win, but what's wrong with that? Obama wants to win too and he is a good candidate, but not above the political fray as his supporters characterize him. Democrats need someone tough to go up against the Republicans in the general election. Over the years, Hillary Clinton has been called a
filthy liar, a whore and even a murderer. Unfortunately, even some Democrats have bought this. She is smeared because of her husband's sordid
affairs. Whatever lies told then drop to the level of fibs, when compared with the new level of the extreme, bald-faced and nasty mendacity of today's Bush
administration and of his supporters in the last two elections. Hillary Clinton is smart, knowledgeable, strong and has all the right qualities to make a great president.