I resent your convenient stereotype for us *poor delusional ones* who agree with Obama on the FISA bill for any number of reasons, and don't believe it offends the US Constitution.
Where did I, or anyone else for that matter, who doesn't believe the FISA bill essentially urinates on the constitution,

So... you just enjoy insulting people? Are you just a troll trying to make Obama look bad having his picture as your avatar while bashing people who actually give a damn? When was the last time Obama called people who disagreed with him idiots?

No, you're just an asshole, and assholes like you cost Obama a lot more then people who actually care about the Issues. Would Krugman have been so negative against Obama if he hadn't been hounded by people like you? Perhaps not, that seemed to be his biggest complaint.

Now, I'm not so thin skinned that I'd reverse my position because it's shared by a dick wad (i.e. You), but lots of people will. So unless you're actually opposed to Obama, I suggest shutting the fuck up.

Posted at July 3, 2008 11:30 PM in response to Obama Responds To FISA Group On His Web Site

Yeah, and guess who voted for cloture on Roberts? None other then Barack Obama, who wrote about his decision On dailykos at the time. Here's what he had to say:

It's this non-ideological lens through which much of the country viewed Judge Roberts' confirmation hearings. A majority of folks, including a number of Democrats and Independents, don't think that John Roberts is an ideologue bent on overturning every vestige of civil rights and civil liberties protections in our possession. Instead, they have good reason to believe he is a conservative judge who is (like it or not) within the mainstream of American jurisprudence, a judge appointed by a conservative president who could have done much worse (and probably, I fear, may do worse with the next nominee). While they hope Roberts doesn't swing the court too sharply to the right, a majority of Americans think that the President should probably get the benefit of the doubt on a clearly qualified nominee.

I doubt he would do the same today, but it shows quite clearly the danger in 'pragmatic' capitulation. I don't know how most much voters cared about SCOTUS nominations, but I doubt many of them would have been too upset about Roberts being filibustered, after all, it was just a year before the '06 election. The country would be a much better place if Obama had shown some spine then, and it would be a better place if Obama showed some spine now.

Posted at July 3, 2008 10:46 PM in response to Obama Responds To FISA Group On His Web Site

No that's completely false, here's what Dean actually said

I said that when I read the bill, and talked to the folks at the ACLU who had been following it, that it was not clear. I raised it when appearing on Countdown with the hope that someone might figure it out. But that is the nature of this badly drafted bill that it is not clear what it does and does not do, and the drafters are not saying.

But even if the bill is unclear there is no question the Bush Administration is not going to do anything to the telecoms, so the question is whether a future DOJ could -- and here there is case law protecting the telecoms. But there may be language buried in the bill that protects them as well but it can only be found by reading the bill with a half dozen other laws which I have not yet done.

I made no declarative statements rather I only raised questions that jumped at me when reading the 114 page monster.

Totally false. And criminal prosecution is never going to happen even if bush didn't pardon everyone involved, which he probably would.

Posted at July 3, 2008 10:39 PM in response to Obama Responds To FISA Group On His Web Site

It's pretty obvious you're in love with Obama, but stop projecting.

Posted at July 3, 2008 10:32 PM in response to Obama Responds To FISA Group On His Web Site

I definitely noticed it and give him credit.

Posted at July 3, 2008 10:28 PM in response to Obama Responds To FISA Group On His Web Site

Hey dumbass, the McCain boat is 90 years old, full of leaks and rowing against the tide.

Even though Obama offered praise for those who held him accountable, including saying that we are responsible for helping to create a better bill, there are those like you who insist that any questioning of the leadership might lose us the election.

Well I say bullshit. That kind of thinking is what got us the years and years of Kerry/Gore/Clinton triangulators terrified of boat rocking they got absolutely hammered by the republicans year after year and the country went to shit. It's everything the Obama campaign isn't in most cases.

No swing voter would vote against Obama if he opposed this bill unless they had their life savings in 'T' (that's AT&T's ticker symbol) and were too lazy to sell.

Those who demand unquestioning loyalty in times of crisis are the true enemies of democracy. There will always be pressing issues, and sticking it to politicians during those times is the only way to get things done.

Posted at July 3, 2008 7:57 PM in response to Obama Responds To FISA Group On His Web Site

we didn't nominate a "kossac", you shouldn't be angry at him just because you're now realizing it.

He never said he was a kossac, but he did say that he would filibuster any bill with retroactive immunity. This bill has retroactive immunity, and so far, he says he supports it (but hopes it can be amended, but there are not enough senate votes to do that)

There is a huge difference between expecting a candidate to be liberal on every issue, and expecting them to keep their damn word.

Posted at July 3, 2008 7:48 PM in response to Obama Responds To FISA Group On His Web Site

I don't know if you realize this, but your not doing your candidate any good. Everyone here is probably going to vote for Obama, but calling everyone an idiot who doesn't toe the line even when Obama is wrong isn't going to help anyone but your own sense of smug self-satisfaction.

Honestly, anyone who can't brook even the slightest criticism of their hero is the real idiot. Thankfully Obama recognizes the importance of this issue to people, and the fact that political passion is a good thing, not something that should be suppressed.

Posted at July 3, 2008 7:27 PM in response to Obama Responds To FISA Group On His Web Site

Failing that, a criminal prosecution, something this legislation absolutely does not prevent also sounds like good leverage.

That's not true at all. Even John Dean says it's "not clear" that the law blocks criminal prosecution, and even if it didn't, bush could still pardon the people involved after the election, which he'll probably do anyway.

Posted at July 3, 2008 7:24 PM in response to Obama Responds To FISA Group On His Web Site

God your dumb. Obama writing a letter to people who disagreed with him about an esoteric civil liberties issue is not going to cost him the election no one supports retroactive immunity except telecom lobbyists, and they're not even going to vote on that issue.

Obama already voted against the protect America act extension. The republicans can hit him on that all day long as being "soft on terrorism", nothing he does now is going to change that.

Posted at July 3, 2008 7:21 PM in response to Obama Responds To FISA Group On His Web Site