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2:1 replied to the FISA over the War.

Tell me where the "pain in the butt issue resides?"

I don't feel a need to elaborate when there are facts.

Posted at July 4, 2008 4:30 PM in response to @ssfvcked by Obama

I really don't know who I will support. However getting the civil rights abuse as a moderate was huge in my interest with Obama.

I might stay home and not vote, I mean both Obama and McCain when their lips start moving seem to forget what they have said.

I mean with all the photo ops on torture that McCain made, when it came time to vote, McCain supported the bill subsequentially found unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of the United States.

YESTERDAY:

WASHINGTON — A federal judge in California said Wednesday that the wiretapping law established by Congress was the “exclusive” means for the president to eavesdrop on Americans, and he rejected the government’s claim that the president’s constitutional authority as commander in chief trumped that law.

The judge, Vaughn R. Walker, the chief judge for the Northern District of California, made his findings in a ruling on a lawsuit brought by an Oregon charity. The group says it has evidence of an illegal wiretap used against it by the National Security Agency under the secret surveillance program established by President Bush after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

By ERIC LICHTBLAU
Published: July 3, 2008
Judge Rejects Bush’s View on Wiretaps

My point in this post is really simple, neither candidate cares. The people who are figuring this out now are the rubes who donated and belived in Obama.

Before the election is over you will not be able to tell which candidate is which as they will be so much alike.

Reminds me of the difference between Hillary and Obama, tell me what was it? Gender?

Yawn.

Posted at July 4, 2008 4:22 PM in response to @ssfvcked by Obama

I gave up sex when my husband died, we however left the furry animals alone which politicians do not. Do not confuse our long and difficult marriage with that of the politicians.

Did I contribte?

My gawd no.

Posted at July 4, 2008 4:06 PM in response to @ssfvcked by Obama

Do not follow the link at Obama's website and subscribe if you really don't want to know, there is literally HUNDREDS that feel that way.

There is over 200 responses in the main thread here on the topic which links to the site.

What gets me is the spin this is about the war when it is about FISA.

Posted at July 4, 2008 4:04 PM in response to @ssfvcked by Obama

The one and only, actually Umberto Eco wrote about my sister Beatrice. Bee is really active where I'm usually just a lurker and a recluse, but was actually astonished that Obama used the argument: "Well the DOJ has straightened house as a consequence of the attorney general hiring scandals." and.. the argument, "when I become POTUS I will make sure that there is not abuse" as if he was POTUS and the election is still months away.

Posted at July 4, 2008 4:01 PM in response to @ssfvcked by Obama

Good job TPM for covering the issues, and not the bait and switch that somehow the public is confused by the war comments.

The numbers here speak for themselves, and Huffington not mentioning TPM in her blog about the FISA story was well uhmmmm tacky.

Interesting that a TPM story here about the DOJ hiring scandal becomes the excuse for Obama tossing the FISA contibutors under the bus.

Posted at July 4, 2008 2:11 PM in response to Obama Responds To FISA Group On His Web Site

My point is that there is no difference between Obama and Rove & Co. No difference between Liebermann and say, Bush, no need for "impeachment," a world where a congressional office is a sanctuary from the FBI and probable cause, but where the publics privacy is not, I could go on and on!

My point is that the rubes in the Obama campaign feel cheated on the FISA issue and NOBODY but TPM looked at the record.

It is even a switch and bait issue by the media and their war-pimping ad-dollar sponsors.

Posted at July 4, 2008 2:06 PM in response to @ssfvcked by Obama

Again another ignore the facts comment.

You seem to think that those who donated cash on a promise to oppose FISA don't feel screwed?

Well Ok...

Posted at July 4, 2008 2:00 PM in response to @ssfvcked by Obama

Response was to Jade above not barney fife

Posted at July 4, 2008 1:58 PM in response to @ssfvcked by Obama

Ohhh no doubt the GOP is the Zuchinni and mazolla crowd in the FISA issue, I'm just wondering why the media with all the telco adds are harping on the Iraq war and just dodging the issue that caised the rebellion?

I guess that the facts as outlined in the timeline that TPM put together need to be ignored?

I don't think the media "aside from TPM" wants to cover the real issue which was FISA.

Which is why I posted the comment. Nobody else seems to want to admit that 50 million in lobbying and all the spot ad dollars makes the media look like a worn out whore right along side of the flip floppers.

Posted at July 4, 2008 1:57 PM in response to @ssfvcked by Obama