Every one has the right to say what ever they want about Obama, and you are no different. Once we had found our nominee, I felt that it made much more sense to show solidarity with the candidate, in order to defeat the Republicans, rather than behaving in a self indulgent manner that would prove detrimental to our chances of actually winning. I could list a number of things that I might do differently than Senator Obama, but why should I do that. I am not the nominee. He is, so he gets to run his campaign, and not me.

Take a look at how the past week was squandered. The most prominent progressive sites spent the entire week lacerating Senator Obama. In the mean time John McCain went to Columbia and talked up shipping out jobs to them. Not a bloody peep from the Progressives on that, and so McCain got a pass on openly declaring war on blue collar workers.

I have seen enough. When the Netroots decide that they would rather concentrate their fire, for an entire week on Senator Obama, and ignore John McCain, that is enough to convince me that they would rather nurse their perpetual grudges than actually oust the Republicans.

Posted at July 6, 2008 12:24 AM in response to Will the Real Sen. Obama Please Stand Up

I wrote on Thursday, that I thought that the Netroots uproar about Obama's stance on FISA had given the MSM the greenlight to define him as not a person with strong convictions, and that their week long drumbeat on that issue had probably cost him the election. Sure enough; in the Saturday edition; the NY times pinned the label on him in their editorial page. He has been defined before he could make a good first impression with the sceptical middle ground. That stuff sticks to a candidate, and I fully expect that the McCain camp will make good use of it, to keep on reminding people that not even Obama's base feel that he keeps his word. That is a campaign killer for a newcomer on the national scene.

Answer this: If Ted Kennedy does not agree with the positions that Senator Obama has taken on FISA etc, would you recommend that Ted Kennedy come out and publically denounce Senator Obama's stances? If it is OK for Senator Obama's base to do so, then surely they should be urging all elected Democrats to do the same thing. Do you get me point. Questioning the merits of our nominee, in public, at the start of a campaign to oust the Republicans, strikes me as being totally counter productive, and I am mystified as to why so many people actually thought it was a great thing to do.

Well, I hope that Obama can recover from it, but I do not have much hope that he can. I see the MSM killing him about not being trustworthy, and I see no one standing up for him. That is a lethal situation for a candidate to find himself in. Every nuance will now be spun by the media as having hidden meanings. Look what they just did with the simple word "refine". From now on he will be forced to keep on explaining what he meant about what ever he says, and the more he is forced to explain, the more it looks like he never speaks straight. That is how the game is played, and the Netroots forced him into that box.

McCain will make good use of their work.

Posted at July 5, 2008 11:37 PM in response to UNCOMPROMISING POLITICS and NADERISM (How's that workin' out for ya?)

I wrote on Thursday, that I thought that the Netroots uproar about Obama's stance on FISA had given the MSM the greenlight to define him as not a person with strong convictions, and that their week long drumbeat on that issue had probably cost him the election. Sure enough; in the Saturday edition; the NY times pinned the label on him in their editorial page. He has been defined before he could make a good first impression with the sceptical middle ground. That stuff sticks to a candidate, and I fully expect that the McCain camp will make good use of it, to keep on reminding people that not even Obama's base feel that he keeps his word. That is a campaign killer for a newcomer on the national scene.

Answer this: If Ted Kennedy does not agree with the positions that Senator Obama has taken on FISA etc, would you recommend that Ted Kennedy come out and publically denounce Senator Obama's stances? If it is OK for Senator Obama's base to do so, then surely they should be urging all elected Democrats to do the same thing. Do you get me point. Questioning the merits of our nominee, in public, at the start of a campaign to oust the Republicans, strikes me as being totally counter productive, and I am mystified as to why so many people actually thought it was a great thing to do.

Honestly; I thought you would be one of the last people that would do so, and I was shocked to see you light another match to it, just as the firestorm was being brought under control. You are not venting in a Pub. You are putting your words on the web.

Well, I hope that Obama can recover from it, but I do not have much hope that he can. I see the MSM killing him about not being trustworthy, and I see no one standing up for him. That is a lethal situation for a candidate to find himself in. Every nuance will now be spun by the media as having hidden meanings. Look what they just did with the simple word "refine". From now on he will be forced to keep on explaining what he meant about what ever he says, and the more he is forced to explain, the more it looks like he never speaks straight. That is how the game is played, and the Netroots forced him into that box.

McCain will make good use of their work.

Posted at July 5, 2008 11:22 PM in response to Will the Real Sen. Obama Please Stand Up

No. I did not say that. Go back and read what I wrote. I said that I believe that the Netroots week of beating him up has lit the match. You are just piling on after he already replied to them, so what was the purpose of your incendiary thread. Now look at how you started:

Here is what you wrote:

Will the Real Sen. Obama Please Stand Up
By Ripper McCord - July 5, 2008, 12:12PM

There was a show on TV for many years called "To Tell the Truth." Contestants with fascinating personal stories appeared with two impostors. A panel of celebrities questioned the three people to guess who was the real contestant. The show always concluded with host prompting "Will the real (NAME HERE) please stand up."

What the hell is someone to take from that other than you wondering if Senator Obama is one third real, and two thirds "Impostor" You chose the example, and the incendiary label "imposter".

You say you are still supporting him. Since you say you are not sure if he is an impostor or not, then why are you supporting him. Now, if you come back with you do not think he is an impostor, then why did you create a thread that serves as very tasty PUMA chow?

Posted at July 5, 2008 10:31 PM in response to Will the Real Sen. Obama Please Stand Up

You are piling on with that inflammatory headline. It speaks for itself. I have heard the same excuse from all those that have started labeling Obama as being two or three faced. That is what your headline is doing. The damage is done. The large Main Stream Media has picked up the message from the netroots, and they will continue to amplify it from now until election day. The message is: We are not sure who the real Obama is. That is the message that you just declared.

Usually one's opponent is forced to spend a lot of time, money and energy in a drive to define one in such a negative manner. The Netroots just did it for free for John McCain.

Your primary support was useless, because you were willing to join up with those who started firing salvos at his back as soon as he tried to leave his corner, to fight in the center of the ring, in order to win the main event. I now fully expect that Obama will be defeated.

The Media can keep on labeling him as being shifty, and the Netroots can not defend him, because the are all muted by having stuck their feet in their own mouths.

Posted at July 5, 2008 9:54 PM in response to Will the Real Sen. Obama Please Stand Up

Bullshit. You are against any R&D on anything that would upset the applecart for your Cheney Energy Cabal. You give a rat's arse about the birds. You do not even give a shit if the planet gets smothered. You are just a Paid Arse Troll for the current Energy Cabal.

Posted at July 5, 2008 9:38 PM in response to Energy Surplus, Intelligence Shortage!

Well if you would get your head out of you arse, down in that deep coal shaft, you might have become aware that Solar panel technology is improving, and on the verge of introducing paint on technology. As For you claim that it would not work on the side of skyscrapers, it will work where ever the sun hits it.

Posted at July 5, 2008 9:34 PM in response to Energy Surplus, Intelligence Shortage!

It looks like John McCain now has a clear path to victory. When Obama's so called base are proclaiming that they think that he is a fraud, and posting headlines that say: "Will the real Sen. Obama please stand up", then he does not have the chance of a snowball in hell of now winning over the always skeptical independent swing voters. Now that the Netroots keep proclaiming that they no longer have any faith in Obama, and think that he is not to be trusted, the undecided swing voters are not even going to give him much serious consideration. So much for putting some of those new states in play.

If your most ardent backers keep telling people that they no longer trust you, why on earth would fence sitters put their trust in him.

Now the MSM and the Greg Sargents of the world have chimed in, and they know that they are free to do so, without fear of any backlash from the Netroots crowd, since they were the ones that fired the opening salvos, at Senator Obama's back, as he left the corner to meet McCain in the middle of the ring.

The Netroots shall reap what they have sown. They have been in the forefront of the drive to define Senator Obama as The Same Old Same Old, and not worth taking a chance on. The New York Times got the greenlight from the Netroots to go ahead and pin the label on Obama on their Editorial page.
His so called base can not respond to that editorial, since it was just parroting what they proclaimed for the entire week.

Well done Netroots, you will love the McCain administration that you paved the way for.

Posted at July 5, 2008 9:20 PM in response to Will the Real Sen. Obama Please Stand Up

They can put solar panels on the roof tops, and most likely also on the sides of skyscrapers, and of course they can feed some of it back into the power grid, to offset their draw from the grid at night. You work for the Cheney Energy Cabal don't you!

Posted at July 5, 2008 11:54 AM in response to Energy Surplus, Intelligence Shortage!

The can put solar panels on the roof tops, and most likely also on the sides of skyscrapers, and of course they can feed some of it back into the power grid, to offset their draw from the grid at night. You work for the Cheney Energy Cabal don't you!

Posted at July 5, 2008 11:53 AM in response to Energy Surplus, Intelligence Shortage!